How much Longer is Fox's hold on FF/Xmen/Others

[solidsnake86]

I guess the best indication is when they get the rights back to daredevil since that property's last movie was released the most time ago. With Fantastic Four you have to look at the time that corman movie was released (I don't know when it was 93 or 94 someone correct me) until 2005 when the new one was released. Thats like a 10 year gap, meaning its still going to be a very long time before the rights go back to marvel if fox has perpetual film rights.

 

[Hypestyle]

I hope the rights end soon, so that there will be some inventive re-makes..

 

[Sawyer]

Pretty much.

I guarantee all this reboot talk for FF and Daredevil is just talk so they can hold onto the properties in their death grip longer.

They "say" they will reboot them to keep it under their banner.

Which sucks. As enticing as a reboot for these two franchises sounds, I'm still betting Fox is going to **** it up. If only Paramount/Disney could perform some sort of hostile takeover and get these franchises into more trustworthy hands.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I guess the best indication is when they get the rights back to daredevil since that property's last movie was released the most time ago. With Fantastic Four you have to look at the time that corman movie was released (I don't know when it was 93 or 94 someone correct me) until 2005 when the new one was released. Thats like a 10 year gap, meaning its still going to be a very long time before the rights go back to marvel if fox has perpetual film rights.

Marvel probably re-negotiated FF sometime between then and 05. Marvel probably needed the extra change to go fully independent. I doubt Fox had a stranglehold on FF all throughout the 90's. I mean obviously FF, X-Men, and others were with Fox in the 90's with the cartoons and all, but certainly the movie deals had to be something negotiated later on. But I agree, if we hear Rothman talking about DD in 2011, kiss FF, DD, and X-Men goodbye forever.

 

[The Overlord]

Unlike Sony which had to renew the Spider-Man film rights to make Spider-Man 4, 5, and 6, Marvel set up their agreements with 20th Century Fox so that as long as they keep making movies based on the properties they have the film rights to, the film rights stay with Fox.

The X-Men franchise isn't going to leave Fox anytime soon on account that Wolverine 2 is obviously going to happen along with X-Men 4, Deadpool, and other X-Men side projects looking very likely.

Fox confirmed in an incredibly *****ey manner that they're rebooting Fantastic Four (like a day after the Disney takeover of Marvel was announced) and have Akiva Goldsman (Batman & Robin) on board as a producer and screen writers. However, if things don't get moving, they can still lose the rights after a certain period of time.

They also announced a Daredevil reboot last year but well nothing's happening and the rights are due to expire anytime soon on account that it's been almost 5 years since Elektra. Unless Fox decides to continue being the bane of the Internet Geek Community and just suddenly announce a film to keep the rights.

I don't see how this deal makes any sense, why would Marvel sign deal like this?

Is there clause that would allow Marvel to get the rights back if Fox is damaging the success of these franchises by turning out poorly made movies just to retain the rights, that seems like a bad faith gesture that breaks the spirit of the agreement.

 

[bubbadoom]

You have to remember when Marvel made the Fox deals, they could hardly give these characters away.
The only studios who had made Marvel movies were hacks like Cannon with their horrible Captain America movie and New World with their FF that was even worse.
I am sure Marvel was happy to have a real studio interested in these things and since they had no track record to speak of, had to take a deal that was less than generous to them.
This was not uncommon at that time, when Disney made the Rocketeer creator Dave Stevens had to sign over ALL the rights to them - at least Marvel did not have to do that!

 

[Raiden]

I just wish that someday Fox will finally stop making (or rebooting) movies on X-Men, FF, and Daredevil so that they will be reverted back to Marvel/Disney. Then again, if Fox does that, it may mean they have made so many crappy movies based on them and lost millions to the point that they had to give it up, and those properties will be so tainted even Marvel won't dream of rebooting them.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well they already have stopped making Daredevil movies. They say they are going to make a new one though . . . but don't.

 

[The Overlord]

I just wish that someday Fox will finally stop making (or rebooting) movies on X-Men, FF, and Daredevil so that they will be reverted back to Marvel/Disney. Then again, if Fox does that, it may mean they have made so many crappy movies based on them and lost millions to the point that they had to give it up, and those properties will be so tainted even Marvel won't dream of rebooting them.

Are we sure there are no quality clauses in this agreement, that seems to be a standard clause in many such contracts.

 

[Son of Coul]

The Daredevil rights have gotta end sometime soon if they're already talking losing FF rights and the sequel was so recent, right? ...right?

I just want another character for Marvel's "Cinematic Universe" for Civil War.

 

[bubbadoom]

I seem to recall the unique thing about the FF deal was that there WAS a time limit involved - i.e.: if three are not made by 2012 then Marvel get them back. I think most other deals [like X-Men, Spidey, DD, etc.] allow the Studio to have them indefinitely or at least allows the Studio the first chance to renew, etc.
I think these deals typically were very one sided favoring the Studio [Dave Stevens had to sign away ALL rights to the Rocketeer to Disney,etc.] and not the creator/Comics company. That was one of the reasons Marvel formed their own studio.
So just because the FF deal may be about to expire, I do not think the same holds true for the other Fox properties [or any others].

 

[topdog1]

All this fan sniveling is both amusing and scary. Personally, I applaud what Fox has done with X-Men. *ducks and covers*

Taking out fanboy bias and expectations and judging the films on their own merits and not based on the books. Let's see...

X-Men = 7/10
X2 = 10/10
X3 = 7/10
Wolverine = 8/10

Not a bad batting average right there.

Fox already admitted that FF was too light and are working to correct the problem. Hopefully they aren't liars on that front.

They must know that they screwed Daredevil by forcing a release of that theatrical version over what we now know as the Director's Cut. Hopefully they've learned from that as well.

So, with Marvel (even under Disney) having so much on their plate with all the Avengers properties, I'm happy that Fox is throwing money at X-Men. Fanboys need to back off and let the books be the books and let the movie universe breath on its own.

 

[Son of Coul]

Even in their own merits as films, X3 and Wolverine weren't good. We don't dislike them solely because they don't follow the books, I mean look at X2. It took tons of liberties with Stryker turning from crazed priest in a story arch to military man who oversaw Wolverine undergo Weapon X.

 

[Zant]

I agree with topdog 1 Fox has done a good job with the x men .I wonder why people think marvel studios will do a much better job .Wolverine will still not wear yellow spandex.

 

[zeptron]

I agree with topdog 1 Fox has done a good job with the x men .I wonder why people think marvel studios will do a much better job .Wolverine will still not wear yellow spandex.

I can't believe people actually complained about Wolverine not having that costume. It would have looked ridiculous to show him running around in that bumblebee costume in live action. A cartoon or comic is one thing, but there's no way they could have portrayed Wolverine as a badass lethal fighting machine in bright yellow and blue spandex.

 

[Stripesy Strip]

All this fan sniveling is both amusing and scary. Personally, I applaud what Fox has done with X-Men. *ducks and covers*

Taking out fanboy bias and expectations and judging the films on their own merits and not based on the books. Let's see...

X-Men = 7/10
X2 = 10/10
X3 = 7/10
Wolverine = 8/10

Not a bad batting average right there.

Fox already admitted that FF was too light and are working to correct the problem. Hopefully they aren't liars on that front.

They must know that they screwed Daredevil by forcing a release of that theatrical version over what we now know as the Director's Cut. Hopefully they've learned from that as well.

So, with Marvel (even under Disney) having so much on their plate with all the Avengers properties, I'm happy that Fox is throwing money at X-Men. Fanboys need to back off and let the books be the books and let the movie universe breath on its own.

I heard that making X-Men was a continuing battle between the filmakers and Fox. Rothman didn't give a crap about that movie. And when it was a success he was surprised as Hell. And they got more freedom for X2. But Rothman still hated it. Singer went through so much crap that that was a big reason why he left for greener pastures(at the time). Fox has been screwing with their filmakers non-stop over the years and especially for genre movies, they see it as throwaway entertainment and would rather hiring hacks like Paul WS Anderson, Rolland Emerich and Bret Ratner than making a great movie. And Wolverine was a testament of them not giving a crap about those characters. I mean it was a film that was almost designed so no comic fans would like. It's so mediocre, so harmless too. It's like they hired this acclaimed indie director to shut people up and then proceeded to make something that Bret Ratner would be proud.

Sad, sad thing that Fox still has X-Men, FF and DD. I hope Marvel manage to get them back. Going to court if need be.

 

[Raiden]

All this fan sniveling is both amusing and scary. Personally, I applaud what Fox has done with X-Men. *ducks and covers*

Taking out fanboy bias and expectations and judging the films on their own merits and not based on the books. Let's see...

X-Men = 7/10
X2 = 10/10
X3 = 7/10
Wolverine = 8/10

Not a bad batting average right there.

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You are far too generous with the rating for X3 and Wolverine. I'd give X3 a 5/10 at best, and Wolverine maybe a 6.5/10 (only because of Hugh Jackman).

 

[Spider-Vader]

And when they are just about to lose them, they'll throw out some quick trash movie like they did with Dragonball: Evolution.

That will bomb epicly & they'll have to give the rights back.

 

[KenK]

You are far too generous with the rating for X3 and Wolverine. I'd give X3 a 5/10 at best, and Wolverine maybe a 6.5/10 (only because of Hugh Jackman).

I'd switch the ratings for X3 and Wolverine. At least X3 has its moments. Wolverine was a cluster**** from start to finish.