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Too many Justice League members in movie there. Sound too crammed.
My whole Batman v Superman movie would be centered on the conflict between Batman and Superman. No Doomsday, no Wonder Woman, no Africa sub-plot.
well, the whole movie took the wrong path so I would change everything.
but, given that same movie we saw, I'll just delete some useless BS to make it less poor and messy, but it'll still be not that good.
I'll delete :
- the whole flashbacks of Martha and Thomas getting killed.
- the whole dream sequences.
- the justice league teasers.
- Wonder Woman scenes before the final fight. I'll make her appearance as a surprise in the end. That way, the scene of her saving batman from Doomsday laser $h!t will be a memorable introduction, especially with the soundtrack which will have more effect and sense.
- the whole Superman/Clark funerals scene.
in the end, we get maybe 2h15m long film less painful to watch, less boring, less messy. But still mediocre.
But don't you want changes that not make movie mediocre?
The movie should have worked better the contrast between the characters by showing more of Superman being active and well-regarded at the beginning. We know it happens, the statue, the press clippings, etc. But it should be shown more ON screen. Because if we see troubled long-disillusioned Batman and trouble progressively-more-disillusioned Superman, we are not really making the most of having the two characters in the same movie. The conflict should not just be a fight, but a contrast between two different approaches to superhero action.
A better received Superman would have irritated Luthor visibly, and the movie would have worked by having his manipulations slowly erode more and more of Superman's good image, not having it happen almost from the firsts events shown.
That's pretty much what I assumed it must be about, before the movie came out. After all, flying into a war-torn country, doing a few things, and then leaving could legitimately result in bad things happening afterwards. I don't know why they instead did what they did, unless it was simply a case of "the bad thing has to be totally the fault of the villain, Superman can't actually be making a mistake".
Well for a start, I wouldn't have made a Batman vs Superman movie to begin with. I would have made a Man of Steel sequel further expanding on this Superman, his relationship with Lois Lane & how the world perceives him after the events of MoS. I'd establish Lex Luthor as a character, why he hates Superman, then use Metallo as Lex Luthor's way of trying to kill Superman without necessarily implicating himself ie keeping him out of jail for further movies.
At the same time I'd have made a Batman movie that establishes this Batman, why he's so angry & ruthless. In BvS we get glimpses & hints why he's so angry, dead Robin's suit, his argument with Alfred about broken promises, good guys turning bad etc play one of those stores out rather than acting like we are all supposed to know them perhaps the Jason Todd/Red Hood story. If they'd done that then maybe people wouldn't have as hard a time accepting why Affleck's Batman seems off the rails.
Then after you've made those 2, obviously indicating that the 2 share the same universe at points in each movie, then you can start considering Batman/Superman crossover movie depending on where each are at.
[RANT]The biggest problem with Batman vs Superman for me is that WB/DC/Snyder or whoever is responsible, have essentially skipped so, so much glorious potential story angles & potential standalone movies & instead mashed several of them together & bundled it into BvS just to establish the DCEU seemingly as an attempt to try & catch up to the MCU.
It's like WB/DC/Snyder don't understand the wealth of iconic characters & story at their disposal & instead tried to jump on Marvel's coat-tail rather than trying to build their own universe over time.[/RANT]
While it isn't a huge issue, it did bother me that the character name, "batman" wasn't actually used at all in the film. No one called him that.
I think only one character (Perry at the daily planet) called him batman, once.
Every other reference was either "the bat" "the Gotham bat" "bat vigilante", etc.
It was a small issue, but it was slightly annoying to me!
Watched this movie again and I still LOVED it...
But Man this movie would have been a lot more favorable to most viewers IF ...
Wonder Woman and Doomsday WAS NEVER mentioned at all in trailers and promotional stuff.
IF that was kept a secret THE REVEAL in the movie would have been Memorable!!!
Gal Gadot should be billed as a mysterious thief to the public before the movie came out.
And when Bruce finds her Old pic I'll bet everyone in the audience will go bananas!!!
And when WW pops out of nowhere to save Batman and join Supes and Bats against Doomsday at the end....then the whole audience will rank this movie the top superhero movie!!!
But no one will ever know cause they were spoiled by that trailer and the promotional of Gal Gadot is playing WW.
Oh well, but if I could go back in time and has access to Zack Snyder then I would tell him To Keep WW a secret...it will pay off at the end.
The movie should have worked better the contrast between the characters by showing more of Superman being active and well-regarded at the beginning. We know it happens, the statue, the press clippings, etc. But it should be shown more ON screen. Because if we see troubled long-disillusioned Batman and trouble progressively-more-disillusioned Superman, we are not really making the most of having the two characters in the same movie. The conflict should not just be a fight, but a contrast between two different approaches to superhero action.
A better received Superman would have irritated Luthor visibly, and the movie would have worked by having his manipulations slowly erode more and more of Superman's good image, not having it happen almost from the firsts events shown.
No silly nonsense of making Superman look like a killer, just emphasize the political tension resulting from his unilateral actions, and scrap completely the weak bullet subplot, and instead have Lois investigate Luthor and his covert campaign against Superman directly, allowing for more significant character interaction, and involving her more directly in the later stakes.
Luthor should not have tried to discredit Superman with the blow up the hearing plot which really could not be logically attributed to him and muddled the story, but instead have continued to make Superman look as an uncontrollable authoritarian precisely by egging him to find and take down a Batman he helped make looked more of a crazed criminal.
Batman would be made to distrust Superman as becoming a rule onto himself, and fight against him because of that, because Superman would mean the gradual subjugation of mankind, one Kryptonian would be ruler who had taken out Zod because he wanted no competition.
Luthor could have still kidnapped Martha Kent, but blamed Batman for it.
Because blackmailing Superman with the kidnapping of his mother while a workable plot still made Superman look weak and ineffective from the start.
Better justify the fight by kidnapping his mother and framing Batman for it. That ensures an angry, non-communicative Superman, who keeps asking WHERE IS HIS MOTHER, and there, the name Martha becomes not a solution but a CONFLICT point, as Batman thinks Superman is taunting him with his dead mother's name.
Their fight could have been in the Batcave itself, as Superman thought he was taking down a dangerous criminal and saving his mother, thus sparing us a Superman looking weak and ineffective by letting Luthor manipulate him. Batman there would have a better defensive system justified.
And when the conflict is solved and Bats goes to save Martha, it is a nice reversal of the setup. Not only he didnt do the kidnapping, but he actually saves her for Clark.
Then Luthor could have pulled his Doomsday card, and all other events may progress similarly, but under a better logical foundation that made the stakes more significant and without diminishing the heroes to make things work.