Supergirl How would you move Supergirl into the main CWverse?

That doesn't necessarily address the crux of the argument, though.

They could contrive any number of ways to address the incompatible histories in a satisfactory manner.

-They could just move National City and the main cast over as I've suggested before
-They could do a Crisis event and have the aftermath be exactly what people have been saying in this thread; a neat merger of the two worlds. The fact that the original Crisis didn't address this immediately doesn't mean that a hypothetical Arrowverse Crisis event can't or won't
-They could do a Buffy season 5 (decade+ old spoilers)
when they used magic to make everybody in Buffy's life simply remember past events as if her new sister Dawn had been there all along. Everything in the show's past still happened, it's just that certain characters remember it as if it were largely the same except Dawn was there too. The same could be applied to Superman's existence

Whether or not they SHOULD do it is a matter of opinion, and I can see why and where other people might differ from my own opinion.

But your insistence that they COULDN'T or absolutely WON'T do it is absurd.
 
I am still against the idea of Supergirl being moved to Arrowverse. If you guys think it will happen, they might as well integrate Earth-2 and Earth-3 as well. Then we wouldn't have a Multiverse.
 
I am still against the idea of Supergirl being moved to Arrowverse. If you guys think it will happen, they might as well integrate Earth-2 and Earth-3 as well. Then we wouldn't have a Multiverse.
I know what you mean when you say Arrowverse in this context, but again, Arrowverse refers to the whole shared multiverse continuity. Supergirl (and 90s Flash) is already part of the Arrowverse, as are Earth-2 and Earth-3. Earth-1 is what we're talking about here.

Those other places work as alternate earths because they aren't the primary setting of their shows. They're places that they go as specific plot points demand. An entire series set on Earth-2 would make Earth-2 less special. Part of the whole appeal is seeing different versions of the same characters. We want Supergirl on Earth 1 to see more of the same versions of the same characters.

The reason a lot of us want Supergirl on Earth-1 is so there can be a more natural flow between the four (six if you count Vixen and the upcoming Ray series) current series.

At this point only Barry, Cisco, and Rip Hunter are known to have the ability to jump between universes.

So that means we probably aren't going to get more natural crossovers. We may not get to see the extended Supergirl cast (Jimmy, Alex, Cat, Winn) interact with the extended Flash cast (Joe, Iris). We won't necessarily get to see a villain lose to Ollie but escape and pop up in National City the next episode of Supergirl. There's very little chance of a Katana/Martian Manhunter team up or a Vixen/Superman team up.

It's going to make a fully realized Justice League/Justice Society team a lot harder. Imagine two or three seasons down the line with a shared Earth. We could have a Justice League consisting of already established versions of:
The Flash
Green Arrow
Superman
Supergirl
Martian Manhunter
Atom
White Canary
The Huntress (unlikely but she does still exist)
John Constantine
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Vixen
Firestorm
Wildcat (also unlikely)
Speedy
Harbinger
Arsenal
Vigilante
Artemis
Kid Flash
Katana
etc

And I'm sure Supergirl's cast of new heroes will grow in future seasons like all the other shows have.

We want characters to flow in and out of the shows organically. That way lesser characters could have an arc of their own. They could make 8-10 appearances across all of the shows rather than 1 or 2 appearances on one show.

Sure, you could use "Earth-Supergirl" doppelgangers of these characters but that sort of defeats the purpose of a shared continuity.

I just feel like if you're going to link the shows, you may as well go all the way. I totally understand keeping completed shows (like the 90s Flash show) in their own universe but it's a bit clumsy to have closely related, currently running shows not totally connected.
 
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truth is based on past we shouldn't take what producers say as gossepl.

I won't be shocked if flashpoint doesn't merge arrowverse and supergirl,which may still happen,that they don't do a crisis storyline which they hinted at back in episode 1 of flash reveal of future newspaper "Wells" had.

advantage to this is having arrow,and LOT characters showing up on supergirl.

CW DC universe is more like the silver age and DCEU is like new 52.

If DC is willing to let Superman appear more than just episodes 1 and 2 of
supergirl season 2 they that opens up a lot of poential.

Flashpoint may only lasy for episode 1 of flash with rest of season dealing with fallout and ramifications of it.and ripples apparently felt on both arrow and LOT.
 
Can't believe people still think that Supergirl wont join the greater DCCWU

It's totally happening. I just don't know when.

She joined the greater Arrowverse already last season. There's no question about that.

The problem is people assuming this means he *must* be merged onto Earth-1, and made a local resident. *That*, there has been zero evidence to support.
 
You wouldn't even have to retcon anything, it could all still have happened in a new timeline. You don't have to New 52 it and start a fresh. You can do what Crisis on Infinite Earths did, the canon remained it was just at that point the universes merged into one. This allowed writers to say things like yes Superman did still have the one story with Brainiac or Lex etc but retcon what they didn't need. Even if they merge the universes the previous seasons worth of work all still happened. So they could say that Superman still exists just now in Earth that also contains Flash, Arrow, etc.

Personally though I'd prefer they didn't merge them as I like having the multiverse.

The problem is, part of that retcon would require "Superman has been around for 10+ years". . . which is wildly incompatible with basically every CW show to date. You can't have "Superman as veteran active hero" without eviscerating the plots of the earlier shows, including basically all of Flash, since he's no longer the first public superhuman.
 
The problem is, part of that retcon would require "Superman has been around for 10+ years". . . which is wildly incompatible with basically every CW show to date. You can't have "Superman as veteran active hero" without eviscerating the plots of the earlier shows, including basically all of Flash, since he's no longer the first public superhuman.

Exactly.... which has been explicitly cited by the producers of Supergirl and the other Arrowverse series as being a major reason why they haven't even considered the possibility of merging the two universes.

If you merge the universes, you have to rewrite a combined 9 seasons' worth of material and basically shift into an alternate universe and declare that it never actually happened.

I don't know about anyone else, but as a fan of the Arrowverse, that would be the height of stupidity.
 
The problem is, part of that retcon would require "Superman has been around for 10+ years". . . which is wildly incompatible with basically every CW show to date. You can't have "Superman as veteran active hero" without eviscerating the plots of the earlier shows, including basically all of Flash, since he's no longer the first public superhuman.

I don't see how you can't, all those previous seasons still happened as they did because the timelines hadn't merged at that point. You really think they would even need to address such an issue? They wouldn't at all.

But in any case as I've said before I'm in the camp that doesn't want it to happen but let's not act like it can't. End of the day these problems that people think it would cause wouldn't even be an issue.
 
^ Greg Berlanti and the individuals involved with the show believe otherwise, and have said as much.

If they had thought there was a way to incorporate their Supergirl series - as designed - into the Arrowse's "prime Earth" (Earth-1), they would've done it back when the show was first being developed, and wouldn't have continued to cite the presence of Superman on "Earth-S" as a primary reason why merging the universes now didn't even cross their minds.
 
^ Greg Berlanti and the individuals involved with the show believe otherwise, and have said as much.

If they had thought there was a way to incorporate their Supergirl series - as designed - into the Arrowse's "prime Earth" (Earth-1), they would've done it back when the show was first being developed, and wouldn't have continued to cite the presence of Superman on "Earth-S" as a primary reason why merging the universes now didn't even cross their minds.

Same people that said there'd be no super powers in Arrow etc? Come on man producers say a lot of things and back track later.

End of the day it's not rocket science if they want to merge the universes, its been done many times successfully in the comics and even I can think of ways to do it. All some people are saying is they could do it someday as they have said before they aren't doing something then turn right around and do it. So let's stop acting like because they say something it's set in stone.

In any case you've been wrong a bunch of times so stop with all this know it all attitude. It's gotten thin.
 
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^ Greg Berlanti and the individuals involved with the show believe otherwise, and have said as much.

If they had thought there was a way to incorporate their Supergirl series - as designed - into the Arrowse's "prime Earth" (Earth-1), they would've done it back when the show was first being developed, and wouldn't have continued to cite the presence of Superman on "Earth-S" as a primary reason why merging the universes now didn't even cross their minds.

If Supergirl were to be merged into Earth-1, the first question I would ask is Why?
 
If Supergirl were to be merged into Earth-1, the first question I would ask is Why?

Outside of easier ways to do crossovers there really isn't one. Only way I want to see it happen is if it's the very last episodes of the DC CW and it's a huge storyline.
 
...End of the day it's not rocket science if they want to merge the universes, it's been done many times successfully in the comics and even I can think of ways to do it.

Well… it’s been done in the comics. :cwink: And fans are just apt to accept it as one of those wacky superhero tropes. But is that “success”? IMO, having separate dimensions (and, especially, merging those separate dimensions) indicates sloppy writing and bad planning. I.e., these are ad hoc “fixes” to problems that, ideally, shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

Now, Supergirl has an advantage. The showrunners know the history of these clumsy resets, do-overs and retcons; they don't have to repeat them. :word:
 
If Supergirl were to be merged into Earth-1, the first question I would ask is Why?

It would make it easier for the characters on other shows to interact with Winn, Cat, and Martian Manhunter. Instead of having to go through some portal or other gimmick they could just drive or fly over. Sort of like how Felicity and Diggle have visited Barry a few times.
 
I hope they somehow merge universes. Makes it easier going in the future. For those worried about Superman/Supergirl coming to save the day. How many times has Oliver (Green Arrow) been in a bad spot and no sign of the Flash to come and help? But, occasionally it has happened.
 
Well… it’s been done in the comics. :cwink: And fans are just apt to accept it as one of those wacky superhero tropes. But is that “success”? IMO, having separate dimensions (and, especially, merging those separate dimensions) indicates sloppy writing and bad planning. I.e., these are ad hoc “fixes” to problems that, ideally, shouldn’t have happened in the first place.

Now, Supergirl has an advantage. The showrunners know the history of these clumsy resets, do-overs and retcons; they don't have to repeat them. :word:

The multiverse may be a reality, so to have one in comics or sci-fi is not far fetched.
 
The multiverse may be a reality, so to have one in comics or sci-fi is not far fetched.

Sure; alternate dimensions and “many worlds” are familiar enough sci-fi tropes. But the issue here isn’t so much that they were invented for a particular narrative purpose - it’s that they’re being abandoned because they’re now inconvenient. That’s the clumsy/bad storytelling part. At this particular stage in the overall Berlanti continuity, merging the worlds has liabilities. And keeping them separate (IMO) has advantages.
 
Sure; alternate dimensions and “many worlds” are familiar enough sci-fi tropes. But the issue here isn’t so much that they were invented for a particular narrative purpose - it’s that they’re being abandoned because they’re now inconvenient. That’s the clumsy/bad storytelling part. At this particular stage in the overall Berlanti continuity, merging the worlds has liabilities. And keeping them separate (IMO) has advantages.

Let Supergirl get established in the CW first before anything else and the mega-crossover is going to be the closest thing ever.

Both Arrow and Legends need the rub from Supergirl.
 
Just saw a report from the producers saying Supergirl is not in the CWverse...She will cross-over.
 
Just saw a report from the producers saying Supergirl is not in the CWverse...She will cross-over.

Yep she will crossover to Flash, Arrow, and Legends. Basically it's Supergirl coming over from her universe to Arrowverse because of the threat.
 
I think it's a mistake and honestly they had an opening and didn't take advantage of it...
 
I think it's a mistake and honestly they had an opening and didn't take advantage of it...

Agreed. But, I sometimes take what these producers say with a grain of salt. If ratings are there. The studio may have them change this.
 
As someone pointed out already though, what do they actually gain from merging the universes other than they're able yo do crossovers more easily?
 

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