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[BatMan032886]

Posted his in the wrong part, anyway. How are they on season 5 and have not introduced Two-Face, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter or even Ra's Al Ghul? I havent watched every episode so maybe I missed something along the way. Any feedback/thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[shapeshifter]

i think they didn't want the whole first two season to be introductions.
this season might see a few new villans.
I myself am looking forward to seeing those rogues too.

 

[BatMan032886]

I posted this in another forum online and the response was that they were told not to use Two-Face, Ra's and Scarecrow because of Nolan's films.

 

[Aristotle]

Posted his in the wrong part, anyway. How are they on season 5 and have not introduced Two-Face, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter or even Ra's Al Ghul?

Why do you think? Two-Face went out in the Silver Age for the same reason as he is now: he's too dark for the toy-buying children. Scarecrow? Again, he's all about fear, and could be creepy. Mad Hatter? Corrupts a popular folk hero. Ra's Al Ghul? Are you kidding? Real complexity? Challenging the established moral order with re-evaluations of the predominant ethical code? On THIS ****ing show?

 

[jabbatheridge]

Posted his in the wrong part, anyway. How are they on season 5 and have not introduced Two-Face, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter or even Ra's Al Ghul? I havent watched every episode so maybe I missed something along the way. Any feedback/thoughts would be appreciated.

It's part of Warner's plan not to confuse the franchises by using the same villains in the cartoon and movie. The Joker gets an exemption being an arch villain but Scarecrow and Ra's were used in Batman Begins and Two Face is ear marked for The Dark Knight. I'm honestly not sure about the Mad Hatter though.

Could be he's a surprise villain for TDKt:

 

[Ratcrawler]

It's part of Warner's plan not to confuse the franchises by using the same villains in the cartoon and movie. The Joker gets an exemption being an arch villain but Scarecrow and Ra's were used in Batman Begins and Two Face is ear marked for The Dark Knight. I'm honestly not sure about the Mad Hatter though.

Could be he's a surprise villain for TDKt:

I love how how Warner Bros is totally logical!t:

 

[robinjr]

WB gave a sort of two face like cameo in the episode clayfaces where he is turning into clay and half his face is messed up. As for mad hatter, he made a cameo in clayfaces too. Now I don't have a link of hatter, but here is two face. http://worldsfinestonline.com/WF/thebatman/episodes/42clayfaces/13.jpg

 

[Warhammer]

The Batman loosely suffered what JLU fully suffered, the Bat-Embargo.
In JLU, because of the films, no Batman villains (except for obscure villains like Copperhead) were allowed to be used, hence why Riddler, Scarecrow, and even The Joker were not in the Legion of Doom. Since The Batman was still on air, still producing new episodes, and it solely being a Batman cartoon, it was let off the Bat-Embargo, except for the main villains that were in the Nolan films (Two-Face, Ra's Al Ghul, Scarecrow) except for The Joker, because he is Bats' arch-enemy.

Like others said, there are rumors of these characters also not being used because they are too much for the kids. I'd like to believe the Bat-Embargo before I believe that, because if Joker and Black Mask can be in the toon, Two-Face and Scarecrow can, too. I could see the argument for Ra's Al Ghul, though, although there was the rumor of him being on the dropped Superman cartoon before it changed into Legion of Superheroes.

 

[paranoidboy]

I think it is plainly obvious the friendship between Wayne/Ethan Bennet was the substitute for Wayne/Dent; the storyline of Bennet becoming Clayface mirrored Dent's transformation into Two-face somewhat. (I know Maroni scared Dent, but the transformation of Bennet was just as tragic).

 

[GamerSlyRatchet]

The Batman loosely suffered what JLU fully suffered, the Bat-Embargo.

Have to strongly disagree with you there. JLU managed to tell excellent stories, even without Batman villains. I even remember Bruce Timm mentioning he kinda liked the embargo, since it allowed him and the crew to work with new, more obscure characters.

However, The Batman can't have vital characters to the Batman mythos because of the embargo, with them either using more obscure characters to fill-in the blanks, or just ignoring them completely.

What I'm saying is, JLU didn't suffer much because it covered many things OTHER than just Batman. The Batman, a show mostly dedicated to the Dark Knight, however, took quite a hit.

 

[Hush]

Have to strongly disagree with you there. JLU managed to tell excellent stories, even without Batman villains. I even remember Bruce Timm mentioning he kinda liked the embargo, since it allowed him and the crew to work with new, more obscure characters.

However, The Batman can't have vital characters to the Batman mythos because of the embargo, with them either using more obscure characters to fill-in the blanks, or just ignoring them completely.

What I'm saying is, JLU didn't suffer much because it covered many things OTHER than just Batman. The Batman, a show mostly dedicated to the Dark Knight, however, took quite a hit.

Well if you think about it Timm says that but he could have had characters that were already introduced and not needed to introduce no names that were credible threats if you will. Riddler, Joker and Scarecrow couldhave been awesome on JLU and the stories would have been SO MUCH better, they were great but they could have been amazing. Also Ras would ahve been awesome as well, him taking on the league would have plain old been dynamic.

 

[November Rain]

Is there any solid evidence stating that appearances in cartoons will affect the way a character is in a film...

does this embargo also spread to the comics, and if so why not...

It should be based on the same reasoning.

 

[Hush]

It doesnt spread to the comics cause if you think about it as much as people will argue it comics arent taht big of a medium and really just have there set fan-base and Tv and movies have a much more broad appeal.

 

[Warhammer]

Have to strongly disagree with you there. JLU managed to tell excellent stories, even without Batman villains. I even remember Bruce Timm mentioning he kinda liked the embargo, since it allowed him and the crew to work with new, more obscure characters.

I never said that JLU was an inferior show because there were no Batman villains.

However, The Batman can't have vital characters to the Batman mythos because of the embargo, with them either using more obscure characters to fill-in the blanks, or just ignoring them completely.

What I'm saying is, JLU didn't suffer much because it covered many things OTHER than just Batman. The Batman, a show mostly dedicated to the Dark Knight, however, took quite a hit.

The Batman had/has every vital character, with the exception of Two-Face, Mad Hatter, and Ra's Al Ghul. Now if the Joker was not able to be there due to the embargo, than the show would've taken somewhat of a hit, but at the end, The Batman had very minor hits. Nothing major.

 

[paranoidboy]

The embargo only apllied to JL properties didn't it? I may be wrong though.

 

[paranoidboy]

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[Warhammer]

It applied to Justice League/JLU, and The Batman. In actuality, the embargo was for the films and The Batman. Aside from villains that may appear in the films, another reason was so some villains could be introduced on The Batman for a new audience. As far as the Bat-Embargo limits go, it's just that The Batman wasn't as stressed on because it was a recently fresh show. To have the embargo fully on The Batman would butcher the show, as opposed to JLU (though some Bat fans were very upset that Scarecrow, The Riddler, and Joker were in the LOD). Also, you can't take away Joker. He is essential to the Batman mythos. However, the films are why Two-Face, Scarecrow, and Ra's Al Ghul aren't on the show. God knows why Mad Hatter isn't.

 

[Abaddon]

and yet they can have two different Superman's(The Batman's and LOSHs) on the same network. Idiots.

 

[Warhammer]

^lol.

 

[Syncos]

It applied to Justice League/JLU,To have the embargo fully on The Batman would butcher the show, as opposed to JLU (though some Bat fans were very upset that Scarecrow, The Riddler, and Joker were in the LOD). Also, you can't take away Joker. He is essential to the Batman mythos.

Joker was in 5 episodes of Justice League....

 

[Warhammer]

Justice League ended before the embargo was initiated, hence why he was nowhere to be found in JLU.