I Just Finished the GN And....

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So the squid is in. Good.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'd read it again if I were you

...and a third time, and a fourth, etc...

Oh I'll be reading it again at least once before the movie comes out

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I actually don't think Manhattan knew about Rorschach's journal. I don't have the book on hand to go check, but I don't think Rorschach really told anybody about his plan to send it to the magazine editors (oh dammit what was their name... The New Frontiersman? gah)

He didn't. Rorschach never told anyone, and Manhattan's mind was clouded by the tachyons.

Dr. Manhattan does not have true clairvoyancy. He can see time simultaneously, but only within his own experiences. He can't see into the history of every single individual. That's why he remained ignorant of the journal; since Rorschach dropped it off without Jon knowing, all Manhattan knows is that Kovacs intends to go to the public with what he knows and he must prevent this to keep the peace.

(I'm keeping that vague, so I don't think spoiler tags are necessary).

By the way, io9 (I think that's the name of the site) reported a few days ago that only small details about the ending are being altered. For the most part, everything will be as it was in the original tale.

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Oh right, I thought by then Veidt had stopped using the Tachyon's, and thats why Dr.Manhatten basically told his plan doesnt work in the end, he seemed to see clearly that this was the case even though he was going to be in another galaxy.

 

[Spade]

I don't think Jon needed his powers to determine that. Yes, for a time there will be peace. But people are people, and time is endless. So the peace will always be short-lived no matter the circumstances.

 

[CaptainGenerica]

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Oh right, I thought by then Veidt had stopped using the Tachyon's, and thats why Dr.Manhatten basically told his plan doesnt work in the end, he seemed to see clearly that this was the case even though he was going to be in another galaxy.

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Hm. Personally, I never saw it as him telling Veidt that his plan would fail. Manhattan wouldn't know about that anyway, since he leaves and (presumably) doesn't come back. I've always seen it as a reminder that the peace isn't going to preserve itself, and that Veidt still has a lot of work ahead of him.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think Jon needed his powers to determine that. Yes, for a time there will be peace. But people are people, and time is endless. So the peace will always be short-lived no matter the circumstances.

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Hm. Personally, I never saw it as him telling Veidt that his plan would fail. Manhattan wouldn't know about that anyway, since he leaves and (presumably) doesn't come back. I've always seen it as a reminder that the peace isn't going to preserve itself, and that Veidt still has a lot of work ahead of him.

Oh right, never saw it like that when i read but you guys could be right, why would Veidt ask him though? Surely he knew Dr. Manhatten wouldnt know the outcome of his plan as he wont be there at the end.

 

[CaptainGenerica]

Oh right, never saw it like that when i read but you guys could be right, why would Veidt ask him though? Surely he knew Dr. Manhatten wouldnt know the outcome of his plan as he wont be there at the end.

It's probably a combination of guilt and fear. I think he needed someone to give him some comfort, to tell him that no, he's not a monster. He was asking for an opinion, not for facts, I think.

 

[Spade]

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The Black Freighter is a reflection of many things in the book, but it is ultimately a commentary on Ozymandias. Read his last lines in the book; Adrian is clearly troubled by the image of a haunting vessel like that from the comic. I'll put it this way:

1. Veidt starts off much like the mystery man, desperate after coming to a misguided conclusion.
2. Both put a plan into action that would put an end to this issue.
3. The mystery man eventually realizes the monstrosity of his actions and his own damnation.

In the context of the greater Watchmen tale, it's sort of Moore's way of saying Ozymandias will live to see his own monstrous decision come back and bite him in the @ss. Dr. Manhattan just confirms that his nightmares and uncertainty are portents of the future, in his own way.

 

[Katsuro]

Oh right, never saw it like that when i read but you guys could be right, why would Veidt ask him though? Surely he knew Dr. Manhatten wouldnt know the outcome of his plan as he wont be there at the end.

No, but do you only ask for someone's advice if they can see the future? He was asking the smartest being he ever met, and an old friend, if the choice he made was the right one. Simple as that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's probably a combination of guilt and fear. I think he needed someone to give him some comfort, to tell him that no, he's not a monster. He was asking for an opinion, not for facts, I think.

Thats possible also.

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The Black Freighter is a reflection of many things in the book, but it is ultimately a commentary on Ozymandias. Read his last lines in the book; Adrian is clearly troubled by the image of a haunting vessel like that from the comic. I'll put it this way:

1. Veidt starts off much like the mystery man, desperate after coming to a misguided conclusion.
2. Both put a plan into action that would put an end to this issue.
3. The mystery man eventually realizes the monstrosity of his actions and his own damnation.

In the context of the greater Watchmen tale, it's sort of Moore's way of saying Ozymandias will live to see his own monstrous decision come back and bite him in the @ss. Dr. Manhattan just confirms that his nightmares and uncertainty are portents of the future, in his own way.

That actually makes a lot of sense, i didnt take much notice of The Black Freighter story, I thought it was just like a shadow of Rorschach's story, but Ozymandias's story mirrors it more. The ending seems much more bleak now .

No, but do you only ask for someone's advice if they can see the future? He was asking the smartest being he ever met, and an old friend, if the choice he made was the right one. Simple as that.

I really need to read the book again. A lot of the time I was reading it I was tired, so maybe i missed quite a few things.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Finally finished the book...and its very deep and amazing...The ending blew me away....

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kinda like what Manhattan did to Rorschach

One of my favorites now...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This book just doesnt get out of your mind, its been a week since i stopped reading it, yet I am still thinking about it a lot.