I think Supes is immortal

[The Question]

It depends which version of Superman you are talking about. He did not seem to have aged beyond his present form in 1 million and if a being lived as long as the Universe whilst still aging they would be immortal in Universal terms. The Universe itself is not immortal as it will eventually become old and die. So in Universal terms any being that lives as long as the Universe is immortal.



- Whirly

In One Million, the super charge he got from hybernating in the sun for several thousand years probably made any and all adverse effects of aging pretty much meaningless to him.

 

[Whirlysplat]

In One Million, the super charge he got from hybernating in the sun for several thousand years probably made any and all adverse effects of aging pretty much meaningless to him.

So in 1 million he was immortal then, his popwers increased in normal stories over time as his solar charge increased. His body stored more and more energy. This energy we can guess is working against entrophy and causing order within supes body. You are familiar I am sure with why we age, as cells copy themselves the copies are less precise this leads to the whole being less precise. It works like copying a VHS tape over and over, supes energy means the copy keeps its original integrity. I believe the Flash panel indicates Supes is still vibrant Billions of years from now. So he is within the universe immortal. As long as he's charge is sufficient to stave off entrophy.

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The biology definition is different from the general definition, though. Question's right, actually. In general vernacular, "immortal" means something that's not subject to death.

The biological definition is the one most associated with life and reality.

Goodnight guys, it's 1:15 am in the UK


- Whirly

 

[The Question]

So in 1 million he was immortal then, his popwers increased in normal stories over time as his solar charge increased. His body stored more and more energy. This energy we can guess is working against entrophy and causing order within supes body. You are familiar I am sure with why we age, as cells copy themselves the copies are less precise this leads to the whole being less precise. It works like copying a VHS tape over and over, supes energy means the copy keeps its original integrity. I believe the Flash panel indicates Supes is still vibrant Billions of years from now. So he is within the universe immortal. As long as he's charge is sufficient to stave off entrophy.



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Actually, that's not entirely the case. He is solar charged, but his powers don't increase the longer he's in the presence of solar energy. That's like saying we get more healthy the more we eat food. The only reason Superman got the Superman Prime solar carge he had in One Million was because he had been living inside the sun for thousands of years.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Actually, that's not entirely the case. He is solar charged, but his powers don't increase the longer he's in the presence of solar energy. That's like saying we get more healthy the more we eat food. The only reason Superman got the Superman Prime solar carge he had in One Million was because he had been living inside the sun for thousands of years.

Yes one million was an ultra sundip the premise is solar energy accumulates in Supes as does his ability to absorb it.

Actually, that's not entirely the case. He is solar charged, but his powers don't increase the longer he's in the presence of solar energy.

Actually they did and do, that's the premise of why his powers have increased since Byrnes original rebirth. It's also how his powers activated post the first crisis. Read Byrnes "Man of Steel" origin it is quite clear this happened and has been referenced in numerous comics including dome elseworlds most prominantly Kingdom come which takes a different spin and he has aged but is immune to Kryptonite due to solar radiation accumulation. Hypertime thopugh kind of retconned KC into a possible future and probably an alternative one.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

No. He slowly bult up enough of a charge to be super powered, but his powers aren't going to continually increase.

 

[Whirlysplat]

No. He slowly bult up enough of a charge to be super powered

I said that earlier

but his powers aren't going to continually increase.

You know this how? It has been indicated in numerous comics this is exactly what will happen, I have already given two references indicating just this and it is the reason his powers have increased over recent years, e.g. just after his rebirth after he had died he found for the first timee he no longer needed to breathe in space, this is now a constant, the reason given was that his powers were continuing to increase. The sundip itself indicates he can absorb lots more than at present he has stored. As his stores go up so will his powers, we already have some indications from Prlude to IC that stress plays a part in how fast Supes stores and uses his stores of solar energy.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

I was pretty damn sure that this wasn't the case. His powers have increased as a result of regaining them after the whole Superman Blue thing. Not because his powers are continually increasing. Besides, his powers constantly increasing would be stupid. He's got to have a limit. Especially since the solar energy he absorbs doesn't just stay in him. He uses it up as he uses his powers daily.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I was pretty damn sure that this wasn't the case. His powers have increased as a result of regaining them after the whole Superman Blue thing.

Fact - His changes in terms of not breathing in space, greater strength speed etc. were prior to Superman Blue. The reason given was increased solar charge.

Besides, his powers constantly increasing would be stupid. He's got to have a limit. Especially since the solar energy he absorbs doesn't just stay in him. He uses it up as he uses his powers daily.

Read Prelude to Infinite Crisis or numerous other comics where it's mentioned. This is exactly what's happening.

- Whirly

 

[Assassin]

for a guy named question, you sure do give alotta anwsers

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah. Weird, isn't it? Kind of like how, for a guy named "Assassin," you don't kill anyone.

 

[Assassin]

but i am 2 times the ass

 

[TheCorpulent1]

This is true.

 

[Assassin]

like i said to momma corpy last night, "this is all part of the game"...



















now go to jail and do not collect $200 *****!

 

[yahman]

To me, not aging doesn't equate immortality. It simply equates not aging. True immortality, the way I see it, requires one to be truely unkillable. Otherwise, you're just nigh indestructible.

Im prety sure that may infact be Eternal, i.e. non changing. Such as Platos Forms or God of Judaism / Christian teachings.

 

[yahman]

I was pretty damn sure that this wasn't the case. His powers have increased as a result of regaining them after the whole Superman Blue thing. Not because his powers are continually increasing. Besides, his powers constantly increasing would be stupid. He's got to have a limit. Especially since the solar energy he absorbs doesn't just stay in him. He uses it up as he uses his powers daily.

I disagree entirely, the connection between supermans solar absorption and his powers defies logic entirely. Not only should it Not provide enough power to perform his various feats, there is no diffrerence between yellow and red light. Appying conventional logic to Supermans powers is not the most suitable explanaition.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I disagree entirely, the connection between supermans solar absorption and his powers defies logic entirely. Not only should it Not provide enough power to perform his various feats, there is no diffrerence between yellow and red light. Appying conventional logic to Supermans powers is not the most suitable explanaition.

Although Yahs the absorbtion spectra for photosynthesis is not the same for all colours. That said you are right No power source should be enough to provide Supes with his abilities.

- Whirly

 

[Guyverjay]

There has to be a limit to the amount of solar energy his body can store. Superman Prime is that limit. I really doubt his body can store an unlimited amount of energy.

 

[Whirlysplat]

There has to be a limit to the amount of solar energy his body can store. Superman Prime is that limit. I really doubt his body can store an unlimited amount of energy.

The limit seemed very high both when sundipped and in one million, we know it converts to meta ATP but how it is stored is anyones guess. Extradimensionally perhaps.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

I disagree entirely, the connection between supermans solar absorption and his powers defies logic entirely.

No they don't. And that's not the point. His powers constantly increasing without limit is still a stupid concept. He has to have limits.

Not only should it Not provide enough power to perform his various feats, there is no diffrerence between yellow and red light.

It's not about red and yellow light. Red stars are, generally, much colder than yellow ones. Yellow stars have much more EM radiation for Superman to absorb and convert into fuel.

Although Yahs the absorbtion spectra for photosynthesis is not the same for all colours. That said you are right No power source should be enough to provide Supes with his abilities.

- Whirly

Why not? Besides, it's not just the yellow sun. It's also the physical adaptations that Kryptonians possess and humans don't, which includes a few organs we don't have and the fact that they've adapted to survive on a planet with very high gravity.

The limit seemed very high both when sundipped and in one million, we know it converts to meta ATP but how it is stored is anyones guess. Extradimensionally perhaps.

- Whirly

It's not stored extra dimensionally. His body absorbs the solar rays and converts them into fuel through a process similar to photosynthesis. He uses up the solar energy he absorbs as he uses his powers.

 

[Whirlysplat]

No they don't. And that's not the point. His powers constantly increasing without limit is still a stupid concept. He has to have limits.

Tell that to the writers in 1 million and when he was sundipped etc they seem to disagree.

It's not about red and yellow light. Red stars are, generally, much colder than yellow ones. Yellow stars have much more EM radiation for Superman to absorb and convert into fuel.

It's actually about red and yellow radiation, visible light is part of the EM spectrum, so apples and oranges, it's the part emitted by a yellow star he can use, glad you agree.

Why not? Besides, it's not just the yellow sun. It's also the physical adaptations that Kryptonians possess and humans don't, which includes a few organs we don't have and the fact that they've adapted to survive on a planet with very high gravity.

No the high gravity idea was precrisis, yes some extra organs are present how they convert and what the role is is unknown. Meta ATP a super form of the ATP energy transfer molecule has been mentioned several times for storage and release inside supes.

It's not stored extra dimensionally. His body absorbs the solar rays and converts them into fuel through a process similar to photosynthesis. He uses up the solar energy he absorbs as he uses his powers

Do you know what the extra organs do? Nope! Photosynthesis really doesn't work as an analogy. Reason one supes does not appear to need to take in atoms in any kind of way for rearrangment e.g. Water and CO2 in photosynthesis and reason two photosynthesis is for growth and repair, basically plants do little else. Supes seems to have a psionic component to his powers e.g. the energy field it's response to stress etc. this indicates supes powers are active at a subatomic level as psions are theoretical subatomic particles.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

Tell that to the writers in 1 million and when he was sundipped etc they seem to disagree.

Yes, they do seem to.

No the high gravity idea was precrisis, yes some extra organs are present how they convert and what the role is is unknown. Meta ATP a super form of the ATP energy transfer molecule has been mentioned several times for storage and release inside supes.

What the hell did you just say?

Do you know what the extra organs do? Nope!

Yes, actually, I do. At least, I know about a few of them. It's been hypothisised that he has an organ in his body that is super conductive, or that he has a super conductive nervous system. Super conductivity is when an object has no resistence when electricity runs through it. In many cases, depending on the current being run through, a super conductive object will either float or become quite heavy. That is probably how he flies. This organ (or nervous system) enables him to manipulate the pull of gravity on his body, thus making him able to fly.

The inner structures of his ears and eyes are also different from our own. His eyes balls, most likely, are a few times larger than our own (although one would not be able to notice this at first glance). He has multiple sets of rod and cone cells, each one designed to veiw a different part of the EM spectrum. This is where his X-Ray and heat vision come in. Ge can tune into X-Rays and other parts of the EM spectrum that pass through solid objects, enabling him to see through solid objects. His eyes are also, most likely, shaped similarly to a cat's. As in, they reflect light off of themselves. This, combined with him impressive range of vision, most likely enables him to focus said light into beams of heat.

He also, most likely, does not posses cells in his skin that produce melanin, seeing as how melanin would interfere with his body's ability to absorb solar energy. This is, of course, the reason why he (ans most Kryptonians) are quite fare skinned, and the pigment that does exist in his body is probably caused by a chemical in his skin that produces a similar effect as melanin but doesn't interfere with the absorbtion of solar energy.

Photosynthesis really doesn't work as an analogy.

Yes it does. Because, basically, that's what his body is doing. Absorbing solar energy and converting it into fuel.

Reason one supes does not appear to need to take in atoms in any kind of way for rearrangment e.g. Water and CO2 in photosynthesis

He does still need to eat food, you know.

and reason two photosynthesis is for growth and repair, basically plants do little else.

Yes, Thyat's what plants do. We've yet to encounter an animal with photosynthetic properties. Superman is such a creature. He converts solar energy into fuel for his various bodily functions. Plants simply have very few functions.

Supes seems to have a psionic component to his powers e.g. the energy field it's response to stress etc. this indicates supes powers are active at a subatomic level as psions are theoretical subatomic particles.

How does the energy feild around his body respond to stress?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Yes, they do seem to.

So there we are then

What the hell did you just say?

I explained meta ATP is how the energy is stored in Supes.

Yes, actually, I do. At least, I know about a few of them. It's been hypothisised that he has an organ in his body that is super conductive, or that he has a super conductive nervous system. Super conductivity is when an object has no resistence when electricity runs through it. In many cases, depending on the current being run through, a super conductive object will either float or become quite heavy. That is probably how he flies. This organ (or nervous system) enables him to manipulate the pull of gravity on his body, thus making him able to fly.

That's strange because Conner who got his powers through his Kryptonian heritage flew through psionics. A super conductive nervous system would not allw fo the almost light speed reflexes supes has. Out of interst what source is this from.

The inner structures of his ears and eyes are also different from our own. His eyes balls, most likely, are a few times larger than our own (although one would not be able to notice this at first glance). He has multiple sets of rod and cone cells, each one designed to veiw a different part of the EM spectrum. This is where his X-Ray and heat vision come in. Ge can tune into X-Rays and other parts of the EM spectrum that pass through solid objects, enabling him to see through solid objects. His eyes are also, most likely, shaped similarly to a cat's. As in, they reflect light off of themselves. This, combined with him impressive range of vision, most likely enables him to focus said light into beams of heat.

Source, it's been stated he doesn't actually produce X rays see Time and Time again.

He also, most likely, does not posses cells in his skin that produce melanin, seeing as how melanin would interfere with his body's ability to absorb solar energy. This is, of course, the reason why he (ans most Kryptonians) are quite fare skinned, and the pigment that does exist in his body is probably caused by a chemical in his skin that produces a similar effect as melanin but doesn't interfere with the absorbtion of solar energy.

Source

He does still need to eat food, you know.

No he doesn't I saw no Sandwiches in one million the sun alone sustained him

Yes, Thyat's what plants do. We've yet to encounter an animal with photosynthetic properties. Superman is such a creature. He converts solar energy into fuel for his various bodily functions. Plants simply have very few functions.

And we will not because Plants only get away with it because the energy requirements are so low, The only movement is through tropisms.

How does the energy feild around his body respond to stress?

According to Prelude to infinite crisis the more stressed he is the faster he absorbs solar radiation and the higher his energy is this accounts for why his power jumps under pressure.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

That's strange because Conner who got his powers through his Kryptonian heritage flew through psionics. A super conductive nervous system would not allw fo the almost light speed reflexes supes has. Out of interst what source is this from.

Like I said, it was hypothisised. There was a book called "The Sceince of Superman" that did it's best to explain how Superman's powers would actually work. Anyway, as for Conner, it's been stated many times that he isn't a perfect clone of Superman, and thus his powers don't work in the same way.

Source, it's been stated he doesn't actually produce X rays see Time and Time again.

I never said he produced X-Rays. I said that his eyes tune into X-Rays.

Source

Simple logic. Melanin would interfere with his ability to absorb solar energy.

No he doesn't I saw no Sandwiches in one million the sun alone sustained him

Yes, he does. He gets hungry and requires food all the time. Of course, he doesn't need to eat as much food as everyone else since he's solar powered, but he still requires food.

And we will not because Plants only get away with it because the energy requirements are so low, The only movement is through tropisms.

And yet, we've never once encountered a solar powered animal. The internal workings of an animal are much different from a plant. They could be able to absorb more solar energy than a plant. depending on how they're set up.

According to Prelude to infinite crisis the more stressed he is the faster he absorbs solar radiation and the higher his energy is this accounts for why his power jumps under pressure.

I've never heard of that before.

 

[Whirlysplat]

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Yes, he does. He gets hungry and requires food all the time. Of course, he doesn't need to eat as much food as everyone else since he's solar powered, but he still requires food.

He has been in space for months without food. In one million he was in the sun for thousands of years without food. He clearly does not need to eat.

In relation to stress response read prelude to infinite crisis.

- Whirly

 

[The Question]

He has been in space for months without food. In one million he was in the sun for thousands of years without food. He clearly does not need to eat.

Except, he has shown to be in need of food to survive. Simply not as much as we do. One Million is the only contradiction of that I've ever seen.