I'd like a few unbiased answers to a few quick quesitons...

[Spider-X]

i'm a big PS2 fan, i am in love with Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, God of War, and a few other Playstation only games...and because of this i am planning on getting the $600 PS3 for christmas...now, here come the questions:

there seems to be a lot of hating on the PS3 going on in these forums..and i don't know nearly as much about, nor do i want to spend the time reading through all of it, all the technical problems and crap that has been happening with it.

and there are some really "in the know" people here, but i find that most of them are bashing the PS3...so that's where the unbiased stuff comes in...i don't want answers like "because Playstation sucks and this is why"...i just want straight forward honest answers.

what i want to know is...keeping in mind my love for these Playstation exclusive titles, should i still buy the PS3, or should i just grab an XBOX360?

is the PS3 really that much more powerful than the 360 and is it worth the money?

what is Sony doing right and better than Microsoft with the PS3?

thanks in advance...

 

[THWIP*]

i'm a big PS2 fan, i am in love with Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, God of War, and a few other Playstation only games...and because of this i am planning on getting the $600 PS3 for christmas...now, here come the questions:

there seems to be a lot of hating on the PS3 going on in these forums..and i don't know nearly as much about, nor do i want to spend the time reading through all of it, all the technical problems and crap that has been happening with it.

and there are some really "in the know" people here, but i find that most of them are bashing the PS3...so that's where the unbiased stuff comes in...i don't want answers like "because Playstation sucks and this is why"...i just want straight forward honest answers.

what i want to know is...keeping in mind my love for these Playstation exclusive titles, should i still buy the PS3, or should i just grab an XBOX360?

is the PS3 really that much more powerful than the 360 and is it worth the money?

what is Sony doing right and better than Microsoft with the PS3?

thanks in advance...

NOTHING.


UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THE STANDARD 20GB HARD DRIVE IN THE "CHEAPER" 'PS3' TO BE WORTH AN ADDTIONAL $100.

BOTTOM LINE, THE '360' HAS ALOT MORE GAMES, HAS HAD A YEAR TO WORK OUT THE KINKS IN MANUFACTURING, AND 'MS' HAS A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH DEVELOPERS (AND 'SONY'S CRAPPING ON ALOT OF THEIRS).

BUY A '360' NOW, AND IF YOU STILL WANT A 'PS3', PICK ONE UP NEXT X-MAS, OR LATER, WHEN THE PRICE DROPS. NONE OF THE FRANCHISES YOU KNOW AND LOVE, WILL MAKE AN APPEARANCE ANYTIME SOON FOR THE 'PS3'.

 

[Spider-X]

NOTHING.


UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THE STANDARD 20GB HARD DRIVE IN THE "CHEAPER" 'PS3' TO BE WORTH AN ADDTIONAL $100.

BOTTOM LINE, THE '360' HAS ALOT MORE GAMES, HAS HAD A YEAR TO WORK OUT THE KINKS IN MANUFACTURING, AND 'MS' HAS A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH DEVELOPERS (AND 'SONY'S CRAPPING ON ALOT OF THEIRS).

BUY A '360' NOW, AND IF YOU STILL WANT A 'PS3', PICK ONE UP NEXT X-MAS, OR LATER, WHEN THE PRICE DROPS. NONE OF THE FRANCHISES YOU KNOW AND LOVE, WILL MAKE AN APPEARANCE ANYTIME SOON FOR THE 'PS3'.

what about the motion sensative controllers and the Cell processor? how much better are the PS3's graphics gonna be than the 360s?

 

[Spider-X]

new question:

do you think the PS3 will ultimately be a failure or do you think it may go through hard times but come up on top...or will it just come out on top and stay that way?

 

[TrailerCues]

If really think you are going to get unbiased answers then stop smoking whatever you are smoking

 

[Zenien]

what i want to know is...keeping in mind my love for these Playstation exclusive titles, should i still buy the PS3, or should i just grab an XBOX360?

That's really up to you. Depends on the games, etc. I couldn't really answer that. I havea 360 but the only games I'm progbably going to be getting for it are Halo 3, Mass Effect, and Bioshock, there will be a lot mroe titles I'll be getting for the PS3 and Wii, but then again, that's just me.

is the PS3 really that much more powerful than the 360 and is it worth the money?

No, both consoles are essentially on the same power level. If it's worth the money? That yet again depends on your perception. Does your family or do you own an HD TV that is HDMI compatible? If so, the 600 dollar PS3 might be a model you would want to get because it will be able to play HD movies at HD resolutions. 600 dollars for a next gen HD player i a pretty good price. Otherwise you might as well get the 500 dollar PS3, as it does essentially everything that the 600 dollar PS3 does. It's only deficientcy is that it comes with no PS2 memory card reader, but Sony will be offering an add on for the 500 dollar PS3.

what is Sony doing right and better than Microsoft with the PS3?

Sony is definately doing a worse job on the price, obviously. If you don't own an HD TV, or have no interest in the fledging HD resolution movie war, then the Blu Ray player in the PS3 (the reason for it being so expensive) is mostly useless to you.

Obviously Sony has the franchises you really enjoy.

Backwards compatibility: Will be near 100 percent with either PS3. BC is one area where Microsoft really dropped the ball with the 360. Backwards compatibility with PS2 and PS1 games, meaning you can trade in your old PS2 to get some money off on the PS3 if you want. BC is pretty important, given especially that therer are still so many quality PS2 releases on the pipeline even through 2007. (God of War II is February)

Keyboard and Mouse support for games: Meaning PC ports of FPS games like Unreal Tournament 2007 and Half Life 2 will make use of a keyboard and mouse so you can play them with the control input they were designed to work with.

No online fees for playing games online: Sony has stated that they will not charge moeny for basic services like matchmaking, friends lists, or online play. Xbox live current has a fee of about 59.99 per year (or 49.99?) so it's something to consider if you're planning to use the online service of either console.

It gets a bit confusing though, because Sony has said that their online service will be open, allowing third parties to charge a fee. But since they've mandated that their service will eb free for Online play (see their official website) that might just mean that they're allowing third parties to charge money for DLC (smiliar to Xbox live) and extras, or for a persistent MMORPG (where Xbox live allows developers who are making an MMORPG to also charge another fee for people playing their games).

The majority of developer support compared to the Wii and 360.

The Xbox 360 will probably be getting better western support like the Xbox before it, but the playing feild will be a bit more equal this time around between them.

new question:

do you think the PS3 will ultimately be a failure or do you think it may go through hard times but come up on top...or will it just come out on top and stay that way?

PS3 won't be a failure, it probably won't be as dominant as the PS2 and PS1 before it, but it's not going to the garbage bin if that's what you're asking. High price and all, strictly in my opinion.

 

[Axid]

I think it will take 2nd or 3rd place. The whole "motion sensing" thing is a huge joke compared to Wii's capabilities. And the PS3 is more powerful in some areas, but the 360 more than makes up for it in other areas. The graphic difference will be minimal and can go either way depending on who works on it.

 

[Spider-X]

If really think you are going to get unbiased answers then stop smoking whatever you are smoking

shh.

 

[TrailerCues]

If you ask me I will keep it short & simple. Those franchises you like are not coming to the PS3 until mid / late 2007. There will more then likely be a price drop by then. Just about the only real exclusive the PS3 has at launch is Resistance & do not even listen to The Lizards #1 opinion on that game as his opinion is super biase as far as Resistance goes. Just about any other games you can get on cheaper systems until mid / late next year

Make your choice

 

[THWIP*]

Backwards compatibility: Will be near 100 percent with either PS3. BC is one area where Microsoft really dropped the ball with the 360. Backwards compatibility with PS2 and PS1 games, meaning you can trade in your old PS2 to get some money off on the PS3 if you want. BC is pretty important, given especially that therer are still so many quality PS2 releases on the pipeline even through 2007. (God of War II is February)


No online fees for playing games online: Sony has stated that they will not charge moeny for basic services like matchmaking, friends lists, or online play. Xbox live current has a fee of about 59.99 per year (or 49.99?) so it's something to consider if you're planning to use the online service of either console.



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1. NOT NECESSARILY TRUE, ON THE BC STATEMENTS. BESIDES, YOU KNOW FULL WELL THE REASON FOR THE BC PROBLEMS WITH THE '360', IS 100% DUE TO THEM SWITCHING CHIP MANUFACTURERS (AND THE FACT THAT NVIDIA WENT WITH SONY AFTERWARDS, ONLY HURT THEIR RELATIONS FURTHER).
2. WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS 'LIVE' ISSUE BEFORE, SO I WON'T WASTE ANYMORE TIME TELLING YOU THINGS YOU ALREADY KNOW, BUT REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE. HOWEVER, I WILL CORRECT YOU ON THE PRICE. YOU CAN GET A YEAR'S SUBSCRIPTION, FROM MANY RETAILERS, FOR LESS THAN $40 NOW.......I'VE SEEN THEM AT TARGET AND WAL-MART FOR ABOUT $35.00. ONLY THE "BUNDLES" THAT HAVE MS POINTS, AND/OR A HEADSET, COST MORE THAN THAT NOW.

 

[Zenien]

1. They gave the same disclaimer for the PStwo, and they were right.
2. THings I already know but refuse to recognize? Sony has it listed on their site. They've said it publically,unless Sony themselves changes something. Secondly, quality wise it's still all up in the air.

You have to offer the disclaimer about BC because it's true, and there will be a few titles that won't work due to manufacturing variables between the model. Sony is using "the expensive method" for backwards Compatibility, they're including a good amount of the PS2 CPU and GPU in the PS3. SO that should allay your fears.

And the fact that microsoft switched GPU vendors is beside the point, there's no need to jump out and defend them on this one, it's well understood why their BC isn't all that.

 

[Axid]

kinda like you getting Garrys Mod on your computer.

I won't ever EVER stop...

 

[TrailerCues]

 

[Axid]

 

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[AgentDenton]

Before I start, I'd just like to say...do you see enough games on the 360 by the end of 2006 that YOU want to play to justify buying it? Then buy it. Do you see enough games on the PS3 by the end of 2006 that YOU want to play to justifiy buying it? Then buy it. If the things you want for PS3 aren't coming out until late summer 2007 or later (like the series' that you mentioned)...then just wait until then. It may be cheaper by then, the systems will be of a higher quality, and you'll actually have games to play. Same goes for the 360. People should be able to answer these sorts of "which do I get?" questions themselves. Anways, as for your questions....

is the PS3 really that much more powerful than the 360

Heh, no, it's not. The 360 actually has a few advantages over it as far as actually running games is concerned, and the PS3 has a few advantages over it as far as what technology is incorporated into the system (like a BD player). It just depends on which one you're more interested in.

and is it worth the money?

Right now? Not in my opinion, no. If you really want to play Heavenly Sword, then the $500 might be worth it if you have that kind of cash on hand, but really, I doubt you want to pay that much money for just one game. I would wait until there games out for it that you actually want. There's no reason to be an early adopter just for the hell of it.

what is Sony doing right and better than Microsoft with the PS3?

Uh, not much. They have actual backwards compatibility instead of the broken, ass-backwards emulation thing Microsoft has, and they're much better at hyping up their hardware to be more than it really is, and that's about it. Again though, if you're seriously considering buying either one, you shouldn't need my opinion on the matter, it should be pretty simple to look and see for yourself.

what about the motion sensative controllers and the Cell processor?

The CELL is "Emotion Engine: 2006 special edition". In other words, overhyped and not all that special. The motion sensitive controllers, I don't know, depends. If developers decide to use them in fun, innovative ways, great. If developers (and this is more likely, sadly) decide to use them in boring, cliched, tacked on gimmicky ways, then they'll suck a lot and you'll wish you just had a rumbling pad instead.

do you think the PS3 will ultimately be a failure or do you think it may go through hard times but come up on top...or will it just come out on top and stay that way?

It'll be the #1 console by Christmas of next year. It will also be in constant danger of falling off of that top spot, unlike last gen. Sony's probably not going to dominate the market again.

 

[THWIP*]

1. They gave the same disclaimer for the PStwo, and they were right.
2. THings I already know but refuse to recognize? Sony has it listed on their site. They've said it publically,unless Sony themselves changes something. Secondly, quality wise it's still all up in the air.

ANOTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS, THE PS2(EARLY VERSION) AND PS3 ACCOMPLISH BC THROUGH HARDWARE.......THEY EACH HAVE THE NECESSARY CHIPS FROM THE PREVIOUS GEN CONSOLE(S) TO RUN WHATEVER GAME IS IN THE DRIVE. THAT'S THEIR "SECRET WEAPON".......SOMETHING THEY WERE FINALLY ABLE TO SOLVE THROUGH EMULATION WITH THE PS2, THUS ENABLING THE "SLIM" VERSION. THE SAME WILL LIKELY HAPPEN WITH THE PS3, BUT WHO KNOWS WHEN?
OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS NEVER AN OPTION FOR 'MS', BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAD LICENSE TO INCLUDE THE 'NVIDIA' CHIP IN THE ORIGINAL 'XBOX'.....HENCE THE PROBLEM WITH BC. ONCE THEY SEVERED TIES WITH 'NVIDIA', THEY WERE ON THEIR OWN. THEY HAD TO SIGN A ROYATIES AGREEMENT, WHICH ONLY GAVE THEM LICENSE TO KEY CODE, SO THEY COULD ATTEMPT TO EMULATE THE 'XBOX' HARDWARE.


AND, BTW.........'SONY' HAS ALOT OF THINGS IN PRINT.........ON THEIR WEBSITE, AND FROM VARIOUS QUOTES BY KAZ, KEN, AND PHIL. IT'S REALLY NOT WISE TO PUT MUCH STOCK IN WHAT 'SONY' SAYS ; I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE SEEING 4-D GAMING, AT 120 FPS ANYTIME SOON.

 

[THWIP*]

You have to offer the disclaimer about BC because it's true, and there will be a few titles that won't work due to manufacturing variables between the model. Sony is using "the expensive method" for backwards Compatibility, they're including a good amount of the PS2 CPU and GPU in the PS3. SO that should allay your fears.

And the fact that microsoft switched GPU vendors is beside the point, there's no need to jump out and defend them on this one, it's well understood why their BC isn't all that.

THERE YOU GO FLASH-EDITING AGAIN.
I'M GLAD YOU ADDED THAT FIRST PART THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT I POSTED.


ANYWAY, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE........YOU JUST SAY "MS SCREWED UP" RATHER THAN ADMIT THEY DID THE ONLY THING THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO, LEGALLY AND PRACTICALLY. THANKS FOR PROVING MY POINT; KEEP IGNORING THE FACTS, AND LIVE IN YOUR FANTASY WORLD.

 

[AgentDenton]

From a gamer's perspective, it doesn't really matter why Conker doesn't work on the 360, all that matters is that it doesn't. Even so, I really don't think it's that big a deal. There are only like, five good xbox titles that I can think of that aren't BC yet, and that'll be fixed eventually, and if it's not, there are enough 360 titles (you know, those things you bought the console for) that are worth playing that you really shouldn't care.

 

[Zenien]

Wow THWIP, your logic is just awesome. My fantasy land eh?

Just Wow. :|

 

[Mentok]

what i want to know is...keeping in mind my love for these Playstation exclusive titles, should i still buy the PS3, or should i just grab an XBOX360?

Get an X360 or a Wii now and enjoy it for the next year or so. Then when SONY release some games that start to justify the $600 price tag you can think about switching to the PS3.

is the PS3 really that much more powerful than the 360 and is it worth the money?

No. Form a technical point of view they do almost the exact same thing. The PS3 can do some things that the X360 cant and the X360 can do some things that the PS3 cant. These things are usually shaders and minor stuff like that (things you will only ever notice in console exclusive titles anyway).

Its simply not worth the money at the moment. A console is only as good as its games.... PS# is lacking in that department at the moment.
what is Sony doing right and better than Microsoft with the PS3?

 

[hippie_hunter]

i'm a big PS2 fan, i am in love with Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, God of War, and a few other Playstation only games...and because of this i am planning on getting the $600 PS3 for christmas...now, here come the questions:

Don't get the Playstation 3 at launch. The launch line-up is not worth it. The price is not worth it. And there will probally be a few bugs in it. Wait for a price drop, an expanded game library, and the bugs to get worked out.

there seems to be a lot of hating on the PS3 going on in these forums..and i don't know nearly as much about, nor do i want to spend the time reading through all of it, all the technical problems and crap that has been happening with it.

Most (I said most, not all) of the hating comes from annoying Xbots. A lot of the legitimate hate comes from Sony's unjustified price tag of $599 and Sony just doing some rather stupid things.

what i want to know is...keeping in mind my love for these Playstation exclusive titles, should i still buy the PS3, or should i just grab an XBOX360?

I think a Playstation 3 will eventually be worth it. The Playstation still has exclusitivity for Metal Gear and Final Fantasy (ignore everyone who says that they will end up on the Xbox 360, it's not going to happen), Devil May Cry (this series might eventually end up on the Xbox 360, but Devil May Cry 4 is a Playstation 3 exclusive), God of War, Naughty Dog, and Insomniac games (basically franchises and developers of Sony that don't suck).

is the PS3 really that much more powerful than the 360 and is it worth the money?

Not really. The Playstation 3 may be slightly more powerful, but the difference is so slight that there really isn't a difference between the two.

what is Sony doing right and better than Microsoft with the PS3?

Asides from not doing a worldwide launch and having full backwards compatability from the get go, nothing.

 

[hippie_hunter]

what about the motion sensative controllers and the Cell processor? how much better are the PS3's graphics gonna be than the 360s?

- I think that the motion sensor of the Playstation 3 controller is nothing but a Wiimote rip-off. I'd rather have the rumble feature back

- The graphics of the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 are basically the same. And with titles these days being mostly multiplatform, I doubt developers would even take the time to make a game look SLIGHTLY prettier even if it is possible

 

[hippie_hunter]

new question:

do you think the PS3 will ultimately be a failure or do you think it may go through hard times but come up on top...or will it just come out on top and stay that way?

I think that the Playstation 3 will barely win the console war of the new generation. They certainly aren't going to win by the large anal raping margin that they won with in the last generation. I think that they will win solely due to name and brand recognition: Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, etc. and the fact that it's a Playstation.

My preditition:

1. Sony Playstation 3
2. Nintendo Wii
3. Microsoft Xbox 360

 

[WhatsHisFace]

what about the motion sensative controllers and the Cell processor? how much better are the PS3's graphics gonna be than the 360s?

The Cell processor turned out to be basically pointless. The PS3 won't have better graphics than the 360.