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The Dark Knight Rises I'd like to see Mr. Freeze taken seriously

It would be great to have a freezing-gun. I'm a fanboy myself and rejoice when I watch those things onscreen. But the word of ordern in Nolan-verse is plausability. And the problem with a plausible cold-gun is..... it can't be done. At all. I can't even think of what would be the basics for a gun like that. Splashing liquid nytrogen?

No, it can't be done without some fundamental alterations to the Nolan-verse. Realism, well, it can be a real pain in the a** but I actually respect what they are striving for with it, so I can't really complain.

I agree, though. Freeze without its gun is like Hamlet without his father ghost. But I don't think there's anything to be done about it.
 
Mr. Freeze could actually be done in this universe. Afterall, there are people that can't be in the sun for long, if at all. I'm sure he could be adapted into Nolan's universe and with the high tech weaponry Batman has, I don't see a freezing gun as being too far fetched.
 
But the word of order in Nolan-verse is plausability. And the problem with a plausible cold-gun is..... it can't be done. At all.

Microwave emitter, Tumbler and batpod, memory cloth, sonar equipped phones that map the entire city. I think a gun that pumps jets of liquid nitrogen is gonna be okay.



I know some of you have read this before but we have a lot of new posters now so here we go again. I wrote this at a time when people were complaining that every Freeze story was basically the same; he whinges about his wife and then zaps people, and it was getting boring. So....

Here's my idea for a Nolan Freeze that would be pretty damn grim and bring out the best of his story. He doesn't have to be a one-note character crying over the death of his wife, instead, make him a relatively normal guy conflicted over the horrible things he has to do to save her. His wife is in an illegal and experimental cryo-stasis, however in this version it's a dingy clandestine bunker instead of some nice shiny hi-tech lab. A cure for her disease is now available.... but because the cryo-process was imperfect he doesn't know how to bring her out without leaving brain damage. He needs to experiment on other living patients, and he needs a steady supply.

The scientist makes a deal with a criminal enterprise to dispose of their mob victims as long as they're delivered to him alive. Maybe the mob try to blackmail him into it when they discover his secret bunker or something. Either way, it's mutually beneficial; when the 'experiments' eventually become corpses the freezing process will confuse police examiners to the time of death, thwarting investigation. So now you've got a terrified and desperate scientist freezing people alive in a dark little basement and ultimately committing murder for his wife. He's tortured by it but he has no choice. Eventually the mob boss decides the scientist will probably collapse under the strain of such depravity and confess to the police, so he sends hitmen along to get him. But the scientist is as clever as he is paranoid, and the hitmen never return. He devices a weapon to fend of the inevitable reprisals that will follow.

The reason he uses this special 'Liquid Ice' pump is because it doesn't kill on contact. Victims become slow and collapse into a frozen unconsciousness, thus preserving them for experiments. Previously on the first attack against the hitmen the scientist used regular dry ice, the kind that exists in the real world. This stuff is deadly, it kills on contact so it's no good. At this point he needs to go out and proactively target his enemies instead of waiting for them to send hitmen to his bunker, endangering the safety of his wife. He'll wipe them out until they agree to leave him alone, but while he's killing them he may as well get paid for it...so here's the opportunity for an alliance with a rival mob. The desperate scientist becomes reluctant assassin: he doesn't doesn't belong in this seedy world and it begins to eat his soul. Also, he knows not to make the same mistake twice in dealing with the mob....to preserve his identity among his new cohorts he wears a full body thermal suit, the same one he wears to keep warm when working in his refrigerated bunker. He looks like a ghostly spaceman, and they dub him "Mr.Freeze".

When Batman eventually clues his way to Freeze's bunker he's attacked by mindless, vicious freeze-zombies! They're the brain damaged survivors of the process who are now subservient to the scientist. He encases Batman in a layer of ice, his ruined armour protects him but he's numb, slow and clumsy, making it hard to avoid blows from an icepick. Freeze tries to apologise for what he's doing, crying as he lays on blows. When he's finally sent to Blackgate Bruce Wayne pays for an in-house cryolab so the repentant scientist can continue researching how to save his wife, along with the victims that are still frozen alive.
 
Microwave emitter, Tumbler and batpod, memory cloth, sonar equipped phones that map the entire city. I think a gun that pumps jets of liquid nitrogen is gonna be okay.

The reserves of liquid nitrogen that gun should have would have to be so huge that one person alone wouldn't be able to carry it. The cooling devices needed to kep it below 77k (-321ºF) would be too large for one person to carry. Not to mention the "Leidenfrost effect", from Wikipedia: "Despite its reputation, liquid nitrogen's as coolant is reduced by the fact that it boils inmediately on contact with a warmer object, enveloping the object in insulating nitrogen gas." (that is, hotter than its boling point, in this case -321ºF, shich should be... uh, everything out there).
So, my friend, shooting it is not an option.
I couldn't say the same thing about Tumbler, Batpod or the sonar (microwave emitter had a big hole, though, I can't deny it).

I know some of you have read this before but we have a lot of new posters now so here we go again. I wrote this at a time when people were complaining that every Freeze story was basically the same; he whinges about his wife and then zaps people, and it was getting boring. Here's my idea for a Nolan Freeze that would be pretty damn grim and bring out the best of his story. He doesn't have to be a one-note character crying over the death of his wife...

Just for argument's sake, the same can be said about virtually everycharacter out there in the comics. The wife thing and his reactions to it, the way he handles his tragedy and how focused, cold and determing he seems to be with everything except her, is what makes the character so compelling. It's not one-dimensional. His behaviour with his wife is a very contradictory element for him, because he is a guy we can all relate too, and yet see he's doing the wrong things for the right reasons, and that can't be said of other villains like, say, Two-Face. That's is precisely the opposite of 1D.
Just for argument's sake.


... instead, make him a relatively normal guy conflicted over the horrible things he has to do to save her. His wife is in an illegal and experimental cryo-stasis, however in this version it's a dingy clandestine bunker instead of some nice shiny hi-tech lab. A cure for her disease is now available.... but because the cryo-process was imperfect he doesn't know how to bring her out without leaving brain damage. He needs to experiment on other living patients, and he needs a steady supply.

The scientist makes a deal with a criminal enterprise to dispose of their mob victims as long as they're delivered to him alive. Maybe the mob try to blackmail him into it when they discover his secret bunker or something. Either way, it's mutually beneficial; when the 'experiments' eventually become corpses the freezing process will confuse police examiners to the time of death, thwarting investigation.

Okay, not so bad idea except that I don't buy the bunker thing (what's the point of it? bringing something different? I think it is completely gratituous and there's a lot to explain about it. the high tech lab thing AT LEAST makes a commentary of how ruthless the world of science/health industry can get.)
And... why would the mob start sparing their victim's life to get them to Freeze? Do you know what the logistics of that would be? The mob kills because it's easy, it's quick, it's cheap. To go the other way around just to confuse the medical examiners is... (yeah, you know it)... forced upon and gratituous. I believe you can do better than this.
IF Freeze does it in the spot, and then becomes a hitman, and IF he does it with a cold gun.... I can understand. If.
Of course you don't need me to understand because it's fun and it seems good in you head. I'm just saying: good idea... holes in it... can be improved.

So now you've got a terrified and desperate scientist freezing people alive in a dark little basement and ultimately committing murder for his wife. He's tortured by it but he has no choice. Eventually the mob boss decides the scientist will probably collapse under the strain of such depravity and confess to the police, so he sends hitmen along to get him. But the scientist is as clever as he is paranoid, and the hitmen never return. He devices a weapon to fend of the inevitable reprisals that will follow.

What about the one-note wife whining thing? Apart from the bunker (which can be traced to the comics too) you're not changing a thing. I'm a little confused here. Paul Dini would be proud.

The reason he uses this special 'Liquid Ice' pump is because it doesn't kill on contact.

Oh, no, ut just causes severe frostbite. And, of course, you can't shoot it because of the Leidenfrost effect. Nope, it's no easy thing to be Fries.

Victims become slow and collapse into a frozen unconsciousness, thus preserving them for experiments. Previously on the first attack against the hitmen the scientist used regular dry ice, the kind that exists in the real world. This stuff is deadly, it kills on contact so it's no good. At this point he needs to go out and proactively target his enemies instead of waiting for them to send hitmen to his bunker, endangering the safety of his wife. He'll wipe them out until they agree to leave him alone, but while he's killing them he may as well get paid for it...so here's the opportunity for an alliance with a rival mob. The desperate scientist becomes reluctant assassin: he doesn't doesn't belong in this seedy world and it begins to eat his soul. Also, he knows not to make the same mistake twice in dealing with the mob....to preserve his identity among his new cohorts he wears a full body thermal suit, the same one he wears to keep warm when working in his refrigerated bunker. He looks like a ghostly spaceman, and they dub him "Mr.Freeze".

To preserve his identity he wears a HEAVY, unconfortable thermal suit. instead of an old plain mask? Why? Just to make his "it's a small step to man" routine?
Nop, not an easy thing to be Fries.

When Batman eventually clues his way to Freeze's bunker he's attacked by mindless, vicious freeze-zombies!

Ho ho, Nolan wold be so thrilled to read this. :wow: Freeze-zombies, hahaha. No, I think you're thinking about Francis Lawrence to direct this.

They're the brain damaged survivors of the process who are now subservient to the scientist.

Ohhhh, sweet Jesus.

He encases Batman in a layer of ice, his ruined armour protects him but he's numb, slow and clumsy, making it hard to avoid blows from an icepick. Freeze tries to apologise for what he's doing, crying as he lays on blows. When he's finally sent to Blackgate Bruce Wayne pays for an in-house cryolab so the repentant scientist can continue researching how to save his wife, along with the victims that are still frozen alive.

And what have I learned from this? A good, true to the source final paragraph... does NOT redeem freeze-zombies.

Yeah, alright, you and Schumacher have convinced me... Freeze can't be done in the movies. Well, I'l start pushing for another villain. Thanks for making me realize I was wasting my time with this character.:csad:


p.s. Reading that above, I even got to miss Schumacher's ice-skaters.
Nah, just kidding
... or not?
 
The reserves of liquid nitrogen that gun should have would have to be so huge that one person alone wouldn't be able to carry it. The cooling devices needed to kep it below 77k (-321ºF) would be too large for one person to carry. Not to mention the "Leidenfrost effect", from Wikipedia: "Despite its reputation, liquid nitrogen's as coolant is reduced by the fact that it boils inmediately on contact with a warmer object, enveloping the object in insulating nitrogen gas." (that is, hotter than its boling point, in this case -321ºF, shich should be... uh, everything out there).
So, my friend, shooting it is not an option.
I couldn't say the same thing about Tumbler, Batpod or the sonar (microwave emitter had a big hole, though, I can't deny it).

you're applying real world physics to the batman films. films featuring several devices and action scenes that flagrantly abuse your laws of physics. you do you realize that i hope


Okay, not so bad idea except that I don't buy the bunker thing (what's the point of it? bringing something different? I think it is completely gratituous and there's a lot to explain about it. the high tech lab thing AT LEAST makes a commentary of how ruthless the world of science/health industry can get.)

the bunker is very important. this version of Freeze has no fancy resources, that's why he turns to the mob, he's operating completely on his own. the atmosphere of the bunker is also very different to the sterile and advanced science lab we usually see in comics, i'll leave you to work out the significance of that difference yourself.

And... why would the mob start sparing their victim's life to get them to Freeze? Do you know what the logistics of that would be? The mob kills because it's easy, it's quick, it's cheap. To go the other way around just to confuse the medical examiners is... (yeah, you know it)... forced upon and gratituous.

Freeze makes living people disappear conveniently. you leave them with him, they're gone, you have not committed a murder. that is a valuable service. If they do show up they're gonna lead investigators down the wrong path and waste their precious time. that is a bonus. this type of removal service occurs plenty in real life so you can debate the logistics with those people. more specifically a hitman named Karl Kukinski did the exact same thing with an ice cream truck

Oh, no, it just causes severe frostbite.

the hell are you talking about? in the movie the gun immobilizes them, it's that simple. if you find that unacceptable you're in the wrong forum

To preserve his identity he wears a HEAVY, unconfortable thermal suit. instead of an old plain mask? Why?

maybe he wears it because he has a gun that sprays extreme cold everywhere. maybe because he's a comic book character called Mr.Freeze who needs a distinctive look. again very simple


Ho ho, Nolan wold be so thrilled to read this. :wow: Freeze-zombies, hahaha. .

men with half their face missing walking around in bars drinking scotch and talking to people. a guy who can glide on what is essentially a curtain stapled to his back. an entire suburb in a hallucinatory frenzy. a secret cadre of ninjas that have been sacking decadent cities since Rome. a few people with brain damage. which one is most strange to you?

Ohhhh, sweet Jesus.

that's right
 
For the most part, I like your re-envisioning of the character. But I do think the necessity for him to wear the cold suit in order to survive is integral. I say follow the source in that it's an accident occurred from experimenting on a cure. Just something, so he needs to be in a subzero environment.

Because even if the day comes that he doesn't have to kill or when his wife is cured, he is unable to go back to a normal life. His "cold state" would leave him alone forever and be a horrid reminder of what he went through to save a loved one. Painting him as an altruistic killer/criminal would be a great storytelling narrative that puts a twist on the conventional tragic figure.

I tell ya, Freeze has so much potential on the big-screen. It irritates me how little recognition he gets.
 
For the most part, I like your re-envisioning of the character. But I do think the necessity for him to wear the cold suit in order to survive is integral. I say follow the source in that it's an accident occurred from experimenting on a cure. Just something, so he needs to be in a subzero environment.

Because even if the day comes that he doesn't have to kill or when his wife is cured, he is unable to go back to a normal life. His "cold state" would leave him alone forever and be a horrid reminder of what he went through to save a loved one. Painting him as an altruistic killer/criminal would be a great storytelling narrative that puts a twist on the conventional tragic figure.

I tell ya, Freeze has so much potential on the big-screen. It irritates me how little recognition he gets.

Amen, brother.
 
Yes I remember, I agree it's a loss - it's just whether trying to fit something like that into any given scenario might spoil the whole package. But he does need to pass some point of no return, very much so. and if it has a physical/symbolic manifestation all the better. Maybe an accident could damage his skin in a way he needs an exact temperature, or filtered air, to stop infections or cell breakdown or something, but nothing way below zero. I just cant picture a literal walking block of ice having a truly horrific or emotional effect, he could very likely just become another 'bad guy' with a cool design. And after all similar to the Joker perma-white hopefully it's possible to convey the significance of symbolic elements through other means, when you need to. I agree it's an issue though.
 
you're applying real world physics to the batman films. films featuring several devices and action scenes that flagrantly abuse your laws of physics. you do you realize that i hope


I'm applying real world physics to the Nolan Batman films. I didn't want to state th obvious, but plausibility is an integral part to the current reimagining of the franchise. It may be a matter of principles, but I don't want to change something that would constitute a flagrant change of direction for these movies. I like harmony and continuity. It's just me.

the bunker is very important. this version of Freeze has no fancy resources, that's why he turns to the mob, he's operating completely on his own. the atmosphere of the bunker is also very different to the sterile and advanced science lab we usually see in comics, i'll leave you to work out the significance of that difference yourself.

That's basically Dini and Burnett's Freeze. Have you seen Btas? Subzero? Thee guy ahd to live in a cave in the arctic or set his base in an abandoned oil rig, and all of his material was stolen, mostly from that big fancy sterile lab where he used to work
Just saying, it ain't original. I like the concept though.

Freeze makes living people disappear conveniently. you leave them with him, they're gone, you have not committed a murder. that is a valuable service. If they do show up they're gonna lead investigators down the wrong path and waste their precious time. that is a bonus. this type of removal service occurs plenty in real life so you can debate the logistics with those people. more specifically a hitman named Karl Kukinski did the exact same thing with an ice cream truck.

You're complicating the logistics. It's easier to dump victims in the river, or burn them up, than leaving them in some specific room with some specific guy so he can freeze them up. Actually, the first two ways leave less forensic evidence. Common CSI-watching knowledge.


the hell are you talking about? in the movie the gun immobilizes them, it's that simple. if you find that unacceptable you're in the wrong forum

Once again, physics. The gun doesn't exist without making a svere challenge to real world physics. And, in the real world, liquid nytrogen causes severe frostbite, so good luck maintaining people alive with that.



maybe he wears it because he has a gun that sprays extreme cold everywhere. maybe because he's a comic book character called Mr.Freeze who needs a distinctive look. again very simple

Again, very non-Nolan. I respect his semi-realism, even with its limits. Limits make good things once in a while. For example, it rules out freeze-zombies to make space for some actual thematic depth. I do want a cold-gun, but if there is no way to do that without compromising the direction of these current films, I think I'll wait for the next franchise.

"I don't get political points for being an idealist, I have to do the best I can with what I have."


men with half their face missing walking around in bars drinking scotch and talking to people. a guy who can glide on what is essentially a curtain stapled to his back. an entire suburb in a hallucinatory frenzy. a secret cadre of ninjas that have been sacking decadent cities since Rome. a few people with brain damage. which one is most strange to you?

Third degree burn victims with their bones and muscle tissue exposed; delta wings; 9/11 and terrorist attacks in general; freemasons and tibetan sects... al of them exist in this world, like it or not.
But maybe I'm in for a surprise. Maybe people with severe brain damage, instead of acting completely uncoodinated, and slow, and peaceful (like people who get a LOBOTOMY) do get a strange sense of LOYALTY for the guy who did that to them and start acting violent (Stockholm Syndrome... I cant believe I'm actually helping you out in this one) against any external thread his "master" is receiving.
After all, it is a strange world.


I wish I were a troll. I wouldn't spend so much time trying to make people understand.
 
Yes I remember, I agree it's a loss - it's just whether trying to fit something like that into any given scenario might spoil the whole package. But he does need to pass some point of no return, very much so. and if it has a physical/symbolic manifestation all the better. Maybe an accident could damage his skin in a way he needs an exact temperature, or filtered air, to stop infections or cell breakdown or something, but nothing way below zero. I just cant picture a literal walking block of ice having a truly horrific or emotional effect, he could very likely just become another 'bad guy' with a cool design. And after all similar to the Joker perma-white hopefully it's possible to convey the significance of symbolic elements through other means, when you need to. I agree it's an issue though.

Someone out there pointed out that CIPA condition patients are insensitive to pain and need to be kept in enviroments with an exact temperature. Freeze could have that syndrome, and somehow aclimated to the cold temperatures of his lab. I know, it's a stretch, but a starting idea nonetheless.
Since the nineties, writers from BTAS to the comics have given Freeze a truly emotional effect without compromising his cool design. I wouldn't expect Nolan to be less than them.
 
I posted this in another thread. It explains how Mr. Freeze could be done as a main antagonist, alongside the Riddler. I also explain how he can be taken seriously and realistically.

Mr. Freeze/ The Riddler as the main antagonist(s)
Mr. Freeze is one of Batman’s most tragic villains in his rouge gallery. Mr. Freeze could work well into the theme of redemption. The Riddler could also serve well into this theme.

Also, Mr. Freeze can be displayed as ‘realistic’ in Nolan’s Batman universe. Victor Fries could be a Cryogenic expert working for Wayne Enterprises. However, when Wayne Enterprises shuts down Fries’s operations and refuses to fund his further research into developing a cure for his wife Nora, who is currently in the hospital with a rare blood/cancer disease, he steals an experimental exoskeleton suit and a liquid nitrogen compartment from the Weapons Development Department from Wayne Industries, and vows to kill the Board Members of Wayne Corps.

The Gun could be but a simple rod of metal that sprays liquid nitrogen from a compartment located on Freeze’s back. And the suit could resemble Mark II of Iron Man’s armor from the recent movie Iron Man, yet, a bit simplified. Call it an experimental exoskeleton design and you have Mr. Freeze with his suit and gun. Simple, realistic and it could work well.

Actor I prefer/recommend-Eric Bana (I know I am going to get a lot of critical response for this choice, but I stand with it)
 
^ Sounds pretty interesting, I'd love to see Mr. Freeze done properly too.
 
Thanks! I'm new here, but I have a lot of ideas. I believe that this will work, what I posted.

If Nolan can create a mini cellular emmiter device that locks onto cell phone's radio waves and permits a visual image of the phone's surroundings and makes it believable, then my idea for Mr. Freeze should be simple. LOL
 
I'm getting a bit annoyed at how a lot of the people here are saying that if Mr Freeze was in the next Batman film, he should go about his crimes on the basis of loss and grief...

...isn't this what we've just seen with Two-Face in TDK?

Of course we shouldn't dismiss the whole 'my wife is dead and i must get revenge aspect' but put a different spin on it.

Nolan has already done this with the Joker, insted of permantely being scarred with white skin and red lips, he chooses to wear it.

Personally, i don't think it would fit in well with new Batman films, as i just can't see Mr Freeze be a dark gritty villain like in the previous ones. But thats just my opinion, i'm not saying it can't.
 
I'm getting a bit annoyed at how a lot of the people here are saying that if Mr Freeze was in the next Batman film, he should go about his crimes on the basis of loss and grief...

...isn't this what we've just seen with Two-Face in TDK?

Of course we shouldn't dismiss the whole 'my wife is dead and i must get revenge aspect' but put a different spin on it.

Nolan has already done this with the Joker, insted of permantely being scarred with white skin and red lips, he chooses to wear it.

Personally, i don't think it would fit in well with new Batman films, as i just can't see Mr Freeze be a dark gritty villain like in the previous ones. But thats just my opinion, i'm not saying it can't.

No, Two-Face and Freeze aren't exactly equals. Both had personal tragedies that drive his crimes, but Freeze is acting to save his wife's life, and Two-Face was getting revenge. And Two-Face couldn't be redeemed by Batman, while he can do that with Freeze (remember the end of BTAS: Subzero).

I still think the biggest problem with Freeze is science-fiction, but after some poeple said it, I'm slowly been convinced that liquid nitrogen can be used without major problems.
 
I still think the biggest problem with Freeze is science-fiction, but after some poeple said it, I'm slowly been convinced that liquid nitrogen can be used without major problems.

Hmmmmm...i think the ideas of Mr Freeze are plausible, the gun, the suit but its the look which is really going to matter. We can't have something like out of B+R because that just wouldn't fit. There have been some good ideas in this thread but i think if Nolan were to do it, he somehow find a way to keep the characters identity yet make him reasonably realistic.
 
Resonably realistic could include an expiremental exoskeleton suit and a liquid nitrogen 'sprayer' that propels rapid freezing liquid. It all works.
 
Hmmmmm...i think the ideas of Mr Freeze are plausible, the gun, the suit but its the look which is really going to matter. We can't have something like out of B+R because that just wouldn't fit. There have been some good ideas in this thread but i think if Nolan were to do it, he somehow find a way to keep the characters identity yet make him reasonably realistic.

I'd like to think that. :whatever:
 
Resonably realistic could include an expiremental exoskeleton suit and a liquid nitrogen 'sprayer' that propels rapid freezing liquid. It all works.

Don't forget the only surviving in the cold thing. That's fundamental for Freeze and his psyche. He must be unable to survive in the real world, and that makes him more of an outcast.

Someone out there mentioned Freeze being a CIPA patient. He doesn't feel pain and need to keep himself at an exact temperature. That accident may change that required temperature, make lower (or higher, I don't know).

He just can't survive in real world's temperatures. It's lethal for him, and that vulnerability is essential to the character. He can't have a normal life anymore.
 
A CIPA patient could also work. But then again, Freeze's story and overall character could be changed. Who says that he HAS to be under constant watch of his surrounding temperature? It’s a possibility, but to make it a bit more believable, I suggest not having anything wrong with him and him just donning a suit for the sole purpose of extracting revenge, but who knows. Of course, there is always a plausible way to make Freeze require lowered temperatures in his suit, but it is just my suggestion to make it as if he does not require it.

Also, I was searching for an exoskeleton concept design on various websites, and I found one that I like, that I think would suit Freeze well. It is realistic and is an exoskeleton suit.

http://www.core77.com/blog/images/wpa.jpg

Give or take a few changes (the feet and sides of the suit) but other than that, I think it could work out really well. What do you guys think?
 
^ I repeat: His condition should be there... ideally... to reinforce the idea that he cannot return to normal life. To reinforce the overall theme of the movie... being an outcast, like Batman, or Catwoman to a lesser extent.
Joker could put makeup on his face whenever he wanted. Dent could have been treated with skin injertions and so... but he rejected them
Freeze should not be able to do this, because he's not a bad soul. And yet, his condition makes him unable to go back to normal life. His character needs that.

If the Nolan's can't find a good way to put that in their universe, it's alright. But IDEALLY, Freeze needs the condition.

Btw, I like your exoskeleton :)
(in a non-gay way)

Did you base it on something from real world?
 
That is what I am saying, it would be a good idea to have Freeze's temperature lowered at a constant rate, but if it can't work, I'm saying that it would be okay with out it.

And the exoskeleton is not my design. It is acutal concept for a suit possibly being made for the military. So, like I said, things are being made that could serve as Freeze's exoskeleton and keep it based in reality.
 
[Posted in several threads.]

I had a strange idea. Read it, please, and tell me if it’s too ridiculous.

What is the thing that Edward Nigma prizes most in the world? Answers. Knowledge. He wants to know every answer to every valuable question out. And as far as valuable go, knowing who Batman is ranks really high. But apart from that, knowledge is the thing that Nigma craves the most. So, what would be one thing from TDK that the Riddler would ambition the most?

The bat-sonar-computer. The thing that would help him locate (and listen to) every gothamite with a cell phone out there, just turning it on.

But Fox destroyed the computer…. Well, if one person besides Fox can fix it again, that should be the Riddler.

And if there’s someone who can get him inside Wayne Enterprises, is a former employee. A former employee that broke inside the building and found the room with the computer that was kept secret. A former employee like Victor Fries.

And maybe Freeze needs the Riddler to crack into the hospitals database and find an organ donor who matches his wife’s blood-type. That donor turns out to be a very elusive cat-burglar. And Freeze needs Riddler to fix the bat-sonar in order to find…. Selina Kyle, a.k.a. Catwoman.

And the least Batman wants is Freeze finding Selina. Or the Riddler getting his hands on that sonar.

I know, it’s a very raw way of combining the three, just wanted to know the idea sounded to others.
 
Mr. Freeze update:

They don't have to make him that sci-fi to work. It isn't that unrealistic for freeze guns, either.

They could give him some low tech armor similar to Firefly with a backpack that has nitrogliceren connected to a hose which he uses to freeze people with.
Freeze could make other devices like bombs or killing devices which aren't freeze based, too.

They could explore his almost Jason-like obsession with his dead or injured wife, his addiction to killing things by freezing them, his isolation from society since he never connected to anyone, his loneliness and his genius intelligence.

This was shown beautifully in the special Batman: Mr. Freeze.
 
I'm not sure I'd like the idea of giving him an obsession to killing and such. What I found fascinating about the character is that he's become a killer not from self-gratification, but the desire to save a loved one.

His loss of humanity to salvage another is such a core part of him. I don't think that should be altered.
 

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