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Sequels If I would've been in charge of the X-Men series, this would've been the rosters...

It's not necessarily cramming, it's just an end-all to the series. Personally, I would actually like to introduce Apocalypse in an X-Factor movie, just like the comic, but that probably would never happen so I'm adding him to the end of the X-Men series.
 
It's not necessarily cramming, it's just an end-all to the series. Personally, I would actually like to introduce Apocalypse in an X-Factor movie, just like the comic, but that probably would never happen so I'm adding him to the end of the X-Men series.


No those should be two different movies, putting Phoenix and Apocalypse in the same movie is too busy.
 
X-Factor should be a TV series that revolves closely to the X-Factor Investigatios... and doesnt feature many of the major character Heroes/Villians of the x-men world... My reason for this is that X-Factor wouldnt work as a mini-verson of the x-men... it would be too much like that dreadful Mutant-X series that if any hardcore x-men fan would of seen it was pratically based on X-Factor only with all the characters changed...

Mutant-X comparrison to X-Factor

Adam Kane ------- Forge
Shalimar Fox ----- Wolfbane
Jesse Killmartin --- Strong Guy
Brennan Mulwray - Multiple Man
Emma DeLauro --- Siryn

Mason Eckhart --- Mr Sinister?
 
I'm convinced you are just determined to dispute me. How do you figure it wouldn't work? An X-Factor movie would actually work pretty well at this point, given the end of TLS. The team could be financially backed by Warren (Whose idea it was to start the team in the comics, fortified by Hank (Who is a US diplomat in the movie series.) with Iceman joining, and the movie introducing Caliban, Havok & Polaris. At some point during battle against Apocalypse, Warren is thought to be dead (Just like the comic), he returns alongside Apocalypse & the Horsemen (Just like the comic), as Death. You can even begin and end the movie with guest appearances by Storm, Rogue and maybe a few others.
 
No i just think we differ alot its not done to dispute you, i just know how anything x-men can be translated and liked.

Ok first off, i love the idea of bringing Apocalpyse to the big screen and having Apocalpyse introduced, there is enough anchors set in place to suggest that X-Men 4 would lead into X-Factor being formed... But its the hows and wheres it would be done, and quiet frankly leaves us stuck... we cant have an x-men film without x-men. You could rename the series X-Factor but two things would happen, the barely x-men fans who just enjoyed the movies but not familure with the x-men world would probably not realise X-Factor is a sequel, the second thing is that we already have a tv show called X-Factor that would just lead to more confusion.... and the studio doesnt like to be too confusing in there markting ploy... only in the movie LOL.

The trouble with your idea is that it wouldnt be a natrual progression for the characters that was established in the x-men trilogy...

Here's why...

1. Why would warren back the idea of starting a new x-men team?
> You could suggest that because most of the original x-men were killed and probably disbanded after x-men last stand, there is still a need for a special tactics group...

But this is where we end up with problems...
* Warren didnt really join X-Men despite premotional adds of him in a costume, the truth is that he crashes out of a window, finds his way to xaviers school... later rescues his father. There is no development into his interest into the x-men, there is no set up as to why he would back the school when xavier left a fortune... and by the looks of it shown by the lack of fighting i dont think Warren would be enclined to start a special tactics force, he just wants a normal quiet life where he can fly.

2. Hank's involvement...
> You could argue that the X-Factor group comes from the goverment... after realising that they need a strike force and if X-Men was disbanded. Hank would logically be the person to set it up.... to be funded by the goverment.
BUT...
* The characters that have been left are too minor to hold the movie together, The X-Men had strong characters like Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Jean.... what would you have for X-Factor? Iceman... an inaccurate portrale of the wise cracking Iceman in the comics? Angel? the guy who wanted a peaceful life. Rogue? depowered, Shadow Cat still really a student at the school.
* Your second thought would be, well they could introduce new characters to replace the Major ones that was in the first three movies... Problem, there isnt enough well known characters to do it, If your a comic book fan anyone would say well Havok, Polaris, Forge... maybe add Strong Guy, Re-formed Multipleman, Wolfbane, and Siryn who cameod in the x-men trilogy... the problem is if your not a comic book fan those names will leave you with a big ( ? )

Picture this... your not a fan of x-men comics but your vagley liked the x-men movies and you wish to continue watching them bearing in mind your knowledge is only based on those movies...

Then a new movie appears and oh, its stars the return of possible one famous mutant that appeared in one other movie, a couple of extended minor roles from Iceman and Angel.... throw in a bunch of UNKNOWNS your first reaction is going to be... this movie is naff.

as a comic book fan, you would read this and think on the positive side, as much as i would like to say "But how do you know if it might become a success"

1. this movie would rely on the fact that people would know the movie universe, those that know the movie universe would be critical of the movie universe like normal film goers and because you got to consider the non-comic book fans, they may see an X-Factor film as equvilant to a Batman Sequel, think Batman Robin, Mortal Kombat 20 Superman 3 and 4.... you get the picture.

X-Factor is a vehicle 20th Centry Fox should develope into a TV series and be based more around the X-Factor Investigation comic book series for realisum. Because, the expectation would be less, a series would be cheaper to make test the market to see if it would work... You already have a tv actor portraying the lead character... Eric Dane as Multiple Man leading X-Factor Investigation, you also have the ability to throw in a few unknown actors/actresses to pilot this, and the success could lead to a longer more indepth series based on the marvel world... hell, you could have special cameo appearances from Hugh Jackman, Halle Barrie in the odd episode because Fox makes the show, fox can mix up the episodes a little.

So as you can see im not going against you, i just given this alot of thought over the years.
 
1. I was saying X-Factor would follow TLS, not An X-Men 4.
2. It would be a spin-off, not a sequel.
3. Your general moviegoer didn't really know what The Mask, Sin City, 300, Blade, etc. were and those movies did pretty well, so unfamiliarity is not an issue.
4. Warren is able to financially back such a team.
5. Yes, the X-Men series had strong characters, but how well were those that you mentioned really utilized other than Logan & Jean?
6. Why are you so hung up on familiarity? See point #3.
7. X-Factor as a TV series would not work because of a stupid-ass show called Mutant X.
 
1. i wasnt saying it would be x-men 4, its just it wouldnt make sense to go down the x-factor root for said multiple reasons in last post.
2. there is not enough edge to spawn a spin off solly on a 6 minute act from angel and a 22 minute act from beast.
3. you really dont get the movie industry, sorry but i need to break that down to each movie...
- The Mask - was marketed as a comedy, most people didnt know it was a comic until after the movie, the reason people went to see it is because A it had Cameron Diaz and B had up and coming comedy actor Jim Carry. - topped that it was some kind of zany comedy at the time it became a popular hit by word of mouth.
- Sin City - comic book fans new the movie, but visually the movie was pleasing because of its revolutionary special effects and mutlistory.
- 300 - doesnt take much to get people to like a war film, you could make a man fighting over ownership of a allstar convert shoe set in in world war 2 and people would watch it just for the fighting.
- Blade - played into the whole vampire horror market and re-invented the whole Vampire action movie... Alot of people didnt realise blade was marvel.
4. I know he is financially able to, im just saying it would be unlike him to do so because he has no involvement with x-men and IF you watched the movie, he tried to cut of his wings to be normal, he didnt want to take the cure because he just wants to be himself, he joins the xaviers school because he wants to get away from the hassle and doesnt participate in the alcatraz thing apart from rescuing his dad but he doesnt fight... so what reason does he have to fund a team he has no interest in being in.
5. Storm's character became head of a school, with no other senior members apart from wolverine who probably wont stick around there is no way they will form a new x-men team. Jean is dead, Cyclops was underused in the whole story and Professor x was killed. all those characters were well known and in the top 10 of x-men characters.
6. unfamilarity plays alot in movie goers choices i should know i did a whole business course in films which indicated fluctions and treds that what the audiance will go for. Plus its part of my job to know what films people will like...so far ive gotten it right.
7. No X-Factor would work because of the failer of Mutant X.... see my point before...


Introducing X-Factor as a team like the x-men would lead to people associating them with Mutant X....

But X-Factor Investigations is a totally different set up, its nothing like mutant X and from what i can tell you havent read any of the comics...

Lets play the cards on the table here... I take it your a fan, but you are trying to impose your ideas without thinking about the veriables... the trouble with fans is that they want to see the movie in there vision... trouble is only one person will see it... You.

I work in the industry where i find out what people like by reading forums like these to seeing viewers reaction...

Now i dont want you to think im getting at everything you have said. You have some good ideas but it just wouldnt work. Look im guessing you dont work in the industry so you dont see it like i do, i talk from experiance where you talk from speculation.

Im also an x-men fan and have been for quiet some time but even i no you have to adapt the way you see things to have a brilliant movie.
 
1. You are proving my point that it just seems like you wanna dispute me.
2. You are only proving MY point with most of your points.
3. Tone it down a little bit, you're starting to come across as a pompous know-it-all. We're all just giving our own input. My way isn't right or wrong and neither is yours. I just started this thread trying to be accurate to the comics...except for my X-Men 4...I think I went a little overboard there now that I look at it.
 
sorry if i have given that impression, im not trying to dispute you. Everyone is entitled to there oppinion but i kind of view everything via facts, like most hardcore fans would. Plus i have specialist knowledge of the area you are talking about. Im not trying to be a know it all, i just know because i work in the business.
 
find info on box office hits, why they become a hit, what sells, what doesnt sell, why it didnt sell, basically i ask all the questions and find out the information so when the studio wants to make a movie they take information so that they dont make a movie that flops. Remember the whole movie industry is just a business wanting to make a profit.

So if you want to look at it in another light, i find out what everyone likes, go on a average so that its fair and thats what they design the movie towards.
 
OK. Now I understand your reasoning. I'm looking purely from a fan's perspective, which isn't necessarily what's best for business, but good for art. Like I said though, my X-Men 4 was stretching it though, so cross that out.
 
I'm glad we've finally come to an understanding. Now that that's settled, from a real fan's POV and maybe even what's good for the industry, it could've gone like this:

X-Men: Xavier's story of how he finds the original 5, they fight against the original Brotherhood, Pietro & Wanda run away after they realize the error of Magneto's ways..

X-Men 2: Takes place a few years later. Xavier creates Cerebro and finds Wolverine & Nightcrawler, Storm & Banshee are introduced as old friends, Xavier, as in the comics, knew Ororo as a little girl, and Banshee was one of the first mutants he knew, when Sean was a teen. The enemies are the new brotherhood featuring Juggernaut, Blob, Pyro, Mystique & Avalanche.

The series then spins off into...

Wolverine Prequel: Just a few changes from the actual movie. Story of James becoming Weapon X, his relationship to Sabretooth as an ally, along with Wade, Kane & Maverick, the enemy is Omega Red, Wade is in between when he feels betrayed by Logan after a mission gone wrong, this is where he becomes Deadpool. The culprit of the mission gone wrong is n fact, Sabretooth, who betrays Logan and allies with Omega Red.

The series then spins off into...

Deadpool: Takes place a few years after Wolverine. This movie should basically be the same as the Round Robin series, except I don't think Juggernaut & Black Tom should be the others after Tolliver's will.

The X-Men series resumes with...

X-Men 3: Takes place yet a few years after X-Men 2. Beast, Angel & Iceman have gone their own ways as business and political figures. Rogue & Kitty are introduced, Magneto, along with the returned Pietro & Wanda take sides with the X-Men against Sinister, Sabretooth, Calisto & the Morlocks. Xavier & Jean "die" in battle. Magneto takes over the school, Cyclops leaves, Storm takes over as leader.

The series then spins off into...

X-Factor: Movie starts off as the comic did, with Warren convincing Scott to join with him to form a new team with Beast & Iceman, Jean is found to be alive, the enemy is Apocalypse and the Horsemen. Angel is "killed" in battle, but returns as Death. Caliban, Rusty & Skids also appear.

The series continues with...

Wolverine 2: As it probably already will be, it should be the Japan storyline from Wolverine Limited Series.

The series resumes with...

The New Mutants: Which would likely pick up where X-Men 3 leaves off. I don't really know where I'm going with this, other than it would feature Magneto, Storm & Banshee as the heads of the school, with the Hellfire Club likely being the antagonists. I guess you could have the story end with room for a Cable spinoff, as this movie would end up with Cable as the savior. Yes, I'm just making this one up as I go along and it is total BS. I just don't wanna stop the series I guess. HAHAHA, but it could spin off into...

Cable: An origin and future story in one about the son of Scott & Jean (I wouldn't wanna complicate the story with a Madelyn Pryor storyline.) featuring Bridge, Domino & Bishop, once again against Apocalypse and his Cable clone, Stryfe.

OK, the real movie in place of the New Mutants would be X-Men 4: Magneto, Storm & Banshee are the heads of the school and have added Gambit, Jubilee, Marrow & Cannonball. The enemies are Graydon Creed, Bolivar Trask & the Sentinels.

OK, I'll stop BSing now.
 
I like your ideas but it wouldnt work... Let me explain.
The first x-men movie was a risk, this movie had to sell, be a success for all the other movies are created. This first movie also has the smallest budget than any of its sequels, why? well if you are a studio and someone wants to make a movie your unsure will be a success would you give him a few thousand or a few million to make it? The idea is simply if you can make an excellent movie with a small budget then you basically going to make some kick ass sequels on a bigger budget. That said the first movie was going to feature Beast and Blob but because of the budget those characters had to be dropped. So in order to make it cheaper you need to find characters that powers arnt necessarly easy to spot, for example, beast is blue, furry, big hands and big feat... Angel pretty normal except he has two wings that need to be animated, these two characters would be to costly for the first x-men movie, so instead look at cheaper effects, Lightening is easly simulated, telepathy cost nothing in special effects and as for wolverine and rogue well there pretty normal, wolverines claws could easly be replecated cheaply.
That said, i could of made the first x-men movie in line withe the comic origin... So let me explain.
X1 - Same story as the movie we already have but with a few character changes...
Cast...
X-Men
-----
Professor X
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Iceman - instead of being a student, his role would of been the comical character on the team that annoys wolverine.
Beast (Pre-Blue Fur) - is introduced as Dr.Hank McCoy in the medical lab but his role is minimal, he doesnt enter into combat or go out in the field.
Wolverine - like in the original story, is attacked by the brotherhood and awakes in xaviers school then later becomes temporary x-men
Previous member
---------------
Warren Worthing 3rd - will appear near the begining of the movie as a small cameo role, Replacing Jean Grey's intro... instead of Jean talking about the mutant registration act, Warren is doing it. the role is also extended to a brief encounter with xavier after xavier confronts magneto.
Students at the school
----------------------
young Storm - replacing Rogues role - explaing that mangeto's machine needs naturally electricity to power his machine.
young banshee - replacing the iceman role from the original movie, Banshee becomes a somewhat love intrest for the younger storm.
young colossus - just expanded to kid doing drawing, lifiting weights a few other scenes.
young Sunfire - replacing pyro's role
but no nightcrawler...
The Brotherhood
---------------
Magneto
Toad
Mastermind - acts as magneto's own personal charles xavier... Magneto realised that when he ended his friendship with xavier he needed someone with simular ability.
Mystique
Avalanche - Avalanche would take over from sabretooths role, this avalanche would be well muscled, excellent fighter but his ability causes the others he fight to lose there balance. There would be rivalry between avalanche and wolverine simular to how wolverine and sabretooth was.
Let me explain my reasoning, the way i see it and to make it cheap enough to make it explainable, the characters really come from between the original x-men and the second genisis where the others like storm banshee...blah blah blah is introduced as the second team, so we learn that the x-men has been going for sometime, Angel has left his x-men days behind to fight for mutant kind as Warren Worthington 3rd - a politician fighting against the mutant registration act. We also learn that most of the second genisus characters are already students at xaviers school, forshadowing a future where they'll become the next set of x-men one day, Storm would be younger and would have the role that rogue had from the first movie. The brotherhood would be exlained either by xavier of magneto that two members of his brotherhood betrayed him since then he has never really been able to trust any other new member of the brotherhood. This hinting to the two members being his own family Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, we still see some of the original brotherhood in toad and mastermind...

X-Men 2 - again would be the same story, but the focus would of been more on wolverines past coming back to haunt him but he is still clueless why? Because of the success of the first x-men movie and that the budget would be higher for the sequel, we can now add characters like Nightcrawler, turning beast blue extra... some differences would be how the story played out.
Cast
----
X-Men
-----
Professor X
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Iceman
Beast
Wolverine
Storm - who is now fully trained to be an x-man
Nightcrawler - after rescued
Brotherhood
-----------
Magneto
Mystique
Avalanche
Stryker's special unit
----------------------
William Stryker
Mastermind - which we learn is Jason Stryker - altering the origin of the comic book character
Rogue - being controlled
Sabretooth - being controlled
Juggernaut - being controlled
Lady Deathstrike - being controlled
Stryker's captive mutants
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a few of xaviers students
plus
Pyro
Destiny
Caliban
Morph
In this story we learn that Strykers special unit inflitrates the school and Stryker re-introduces himself and wolverines old friend Sabretooth, wolverine doesnt remember him and sabretooth is too drugged up to even recognise him. Beast becomes one of Strykers prisoners and causes beast to become blue fured by excellerating his mutantion. Stryker plans to use beast to make people fear mutants. But the plan backfires as Beast's mind remains intacked. As a result wolverine manages to free the prisoned mutants with the help of magneto, destiny informs pyro they must follow magneto because it is written. where as a reformed Rogue goes with the x-men.
The following would die
Jean Grey
Mastermind
Lady Deathstrike
Juggernaut
Sabretooth regains his memory and remembers wolverine but realises that wolverine doesnt remember so heads off, Wolverine is left to follow. leading to Wolverine spin off
X-Men Origins: Wolverine - would tell the tale that left off with x-men 2 Wolverine chases sabretooth across canada and finds Strykers old base, along the way we are introduced to Maverick, Dr.Cornelius who was believed dead, Silver fox, Kane and the whole weapon x project is revealed. The then learn that Logan is actually James Howlett and that he and Victor Creed were half brothers they both joined weapon x, a younger stryker gave him his claws, the conclusion of this movie would lead into x-men 3, which is totally different from The Last Stand... At the end of what i would of done for a wolverine movie, Wolverine would of chased down the person responsible for the creation of adimantium which turns out to be Nathaniel Essex, this is just a ploy to link the movie to x-men 3,
X-Men 3 - Now my story would be alot different that what actually occured, It still would of featured the Cure, but no Phoenix, well sort of let me explain, In my x-men 3 the story would play out simular, magneto is planning a war because the cure is deployed, we also have the return of a few minor characters. Warren leaves the goverment when they use the cure as a weapon.. but before he can return to the x-men it is revealed that he is a mutant and is given the cure thus losing his wings. The person responsible for the cure would be Nathaniel Essex who really has a sinister plan, the cure was designed to get rid of the weak mutants so only the geneticly perfect will continue the race. Nathaniel Essex then tries to deploy the cure on the Morlocks by force, his own maurders a team lead by Gambit. Essex meets with de-powered Angel, Essex believes Angel's wings were perfect and should not of had the cure so offers to fix this by giving him new ones. But this causes Angel to team up with Essex and his sinister plan. We now have three sides at war and one team trying to keep the peace. Magneto with his brotherhood, Sinister with his maurders and Goverment with Trasks.
Cast
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X-Men
-----
Professor X
Cyclops
Beast
Iceman
Wolverine
Storm
Rogue
Shadowcat
Brotherhood
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Magneto
Mystique
Destiney
Avalanche
Pyro
Blob
Muarders
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Mr Sinister
Gambit
Multipleman
Vertigo
Arclight
Arch-Angel
Sinisters prisoners
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Jean Grey - she is alive, rescued by Sinister
Morph - an escapee of strykers base in the second movie who is being tortured by sinister

The story would conclude when Jean Grey Breaks free and becomes the phoenix destroying sinister, most of the baddies, magneto becomes cured this would be simular to how last stand ended, except angel is left with metallic wings.

And that would be the end of the trilogy.
X-Factor Investigations
-----------------------
There would be a gap for a few years and then we would have X-Factor Investigations become a tv series, several years has passed and an Older Jamie Madrox now in his late 30's starts a mutant detective agency,


There would be an inital gap between the first trilogy than the next trilogy, basically we would do a Star Wars to the whole trilogy... X-Men The Origin
X-Men The Origin - would retell how xavier created the first x-men and why also cover the dispute between Magneto revealing that Magneto crippled him.
Brotherhood The Origin - Tells the story of Magneto as he goes in search of Magda, finds he has two children Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, learning that humans caused the death of magda Magneto sets out to form the brotherhood and start his war... the story also takes him to Wondagor and he meets the high evolutionary who gives magneto the idea to turn all humans into mutants.
Finally the prequel trilogy would of ended with
X-Men: The Legacy - which is an origin story of Mr Sinister how he became sinister and how he effected the lives of nearly everyone in the x-men movie universe leading up to his appearance in x-men 3.
 
You're right. I do understand that these series start with a significantly smaller budget, but like I said before, this is coming from a fan's POV, not a business POV. From a business POV, they did X-Men right.
 
No from a business point of view they were playing safe, your idea is from fan point of view, my verson considers both and comes up with the compromise that would work...
 
xmen: first class
cyclops
jean
beast
iceman
angel

Magneto
Toad
Mastermind
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch

xmen2: children of the atom? or xmen2: new genisis
cyclops
beast(small roll)
iceman(small roll)
angel(small roll)
jean(phoenix enfluence)

new xmen:
------------------
wolverine
storm
colossus
nightcrawler

Magneto
Toad
mystique
Pyro
Avalanche
sabertooth
sentinels

Xmen3:wrath of the phoenix
cyclops
phoenix
beast(kidnapped by mr.sinister)
angel(kidnapped by mr.sinister)
iceman
nightcrawler
colossus
shadow cat (small roll)
gambit
rouge
storm

magneto
mystique
sabertooth

xmen 4 rise of apocalypse

cyke
wolvie
nightcrawler
gambit
rouge
colossus
*psyloke
*cable
*bishop
emma frost

magneto
quicksilver
scarlett witch
mystique

dark beast
archangel
mister sinister
stryfe
mikhail rasputan
 
Why does everyone try and do things in the same timeline of the comics simply because thats how the comics did it?
 
No from a business point of view they were playing safe, your idea is from fan point of view, my verson considers both and comes up with the compromise that would work...
You seriously come across way too arrogant when you make comments like that.
 

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