If They Recast or Replace?

[eeffos]

The core Avengers have been the same for decades: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Wasp, Hawkeye, and the like. The B Team can be cycled in and out, but the core and especially the Big 3 are the rocks Marvel needs to build their foundation on. Those are the Avengers. The entire concept is about the biggest named superheros in the Marvel Universe joining forces to save the world. When the team is the likes of Squirrel Girl, Big Bertha, Mach-5, Sentry, and Speedball, it won't matter if they are called the Avengers, they won't be THE Avengers. Marvel absolutely needs the popular, iconic members to be on the team.

Agreed, I couldn't say it any better!

 

[Mike5575]

The core Avengers have been the same for decades: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Wasp, Hawkeye, and the like. The B Team can be cycled in and out, but the core and especially the Big 3 are the rocks Marvel needs to build their foundation on. Those are the Avengers. The entire concept is about the biggest named superheros in the Marvel Universe joining forces to save the world. When the team is the likes of Squirrel Girl, Big Bertha, Mach-5, Sentry, and Speedball, it won't matter if they are called the Avengers, they won't be THE Avengers. Marvel absolutely needs the popular, iconic members to be on the team.

Iron Man and Cap have been the only two that have always been there. Thor left for Ragnarok, and Wasp hasn't even been all that relevant in recent years; not after she "died" in Secret Invasion. Heck, Vision, and Scarlet Witch have been just as prominent as Thor. Hulk is almost never part of the Avengers, because Hulk just wants to be left alone. Besides, this is not the comics, this is the MCU. Those characters are iconic because Marvel, and the actors who play the characters MADE them iconic. Marvel's ability to make an obsucre group like The Guardians into a box office sensation overnight pretty much disproves your whole point. As long as the charcters are played by great actors and the story is compelling, people will flock to see an Avengers lineup of Squirrel Girl and the like.

 

[ernesth100]

If Marvel want to take the risk of recasting or changing they're lineup. There is nothing we can do to change that. What we should do is support the change and go see the movie if they recast or replace anyone. To see if we like it before forming an opinion. INSTEAD of crying and throwing threats to boycott a multi-billion dollar company like babies.

 

[Zarex]

If Marvel want to take the risk of recasting or changing they're lineup. There is nothing we can do to change that. What we should do is support the change and go see the movie if they recast or replace anyone. To see if we like it before forming an opinion. INSTEAD of crying and throwing threats to boycott a multi-billion dollar company like babies.

Where are you coming up with this garbage? I posted that I would no longer be interested in the MCU if they blew up their continuity in order to accommodate the few folks who wouldn't care about Iron Man unless he answered to "Tony". I neither cried nor threatened, and I don't believe anyone else did either. Are you sure you are in the right thread?

 

[Fincher]

If Marvel want to take the risk of recasting or changing they're lineup. There is nothing we can do to change that. What we should do is support the change and go see the movie if they recast or replace anyone. To see if we like it before forming an opinion. INSTEAD of crying and throwing threats to boycott a multi-billion dollar company like babies.

Or we could watch what interests us and not watch what doesn't interest us like consumers in a free market system.

 

[ernesth100]

Hm, well can't argue there. See ya guys on the otherside...well actually I guess not.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Uh... Saying that recasting Thor, Cap, Iron Man or in fact ANY of the characters that are appearing now or in the future of the Marvel Films is akin to "blowing up the continuity" of the MCU just sounds so damned over the top and silly though.

 

[Zarex]

Uh... Saying that recasting Thor, Cap, Iron Man or in fact ANY of the characters that are appearing now or in the future of the Marvel Films is akin to "blowing up the continuity" of the MCU just sounds so damned over the top and silly though.

Uhhhhhhhhhh.......Nope. Recasting long time members of the MCU damages continuity, regardless of whether you find it over the top. And recasting with younger characters blows the damn thing up.

Is the audience going to buy thirty something Tony Stark interacting with his fellow Avengers when he was the team's elder statesman just a few years back? Multiply the Rhodey switch by a thousand and you'll get close to the impact of Downey being switched out with a younger version.

And its wholly unnecessary. Moviegoers who are not bogged down by the "Nothing ever really changes" mentality of the comic book fan will continue to embrace new characters.

 

[Mike5575]

Did you happen to pick up a Sports Almanac while traveling around in the DeLorean?

And there goes the sarcasm.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Uhhhhhhhhhh.......Nope. Recasting long time members of the MCU damages continuity, regardless of whether you find it over the top. And recasting with younger characters blows the damn thing up.

Is the audience going to buy thirty something Tony Stark interacting with his fellow Avengers when he was the team's elder statesman just a few years back? Multiply the Rhodey switch by a thousand and you'll get close to the impact of Downey being switched out with a younger version.

And its wholly unnecessary. Moviegoers who are not bogged down by the "Nothing ever really changes" mentality of the comic book fan will continue to embrace new characters.

And if they cast an actor around the same age as RDJ was in 2007? Why this assumption that they are going to recast with actors the age of the average Disney Sitcom actor at the end of their run?

I think you and a few others are just so wrapped up in the idea of how YOU want the MCU to continue that you can't see that these are franchises meant to be continued as long as the market allows. They are James Bond-ing this so that they can continue these characters for DECADES, so that YOUR KIDS are still buying Cap and Thor and Ant-Man products. Again... How does getting an actor in his mid 40's to play Iron Man after RDJ is done "blow up" the continuity of the MCU exactly? How does that "ruin" everything? Sorry, but the people sounding like they can't stand "change" aren't the supposedly set in their ways "comic book fans" (seriously... Why the mad on against the folks that kept these characters afloat for so many decades for ya'll to have them to enjoy in the 21st Century anyway? So odd that comic fans keep being brought up by some) but those that can't fathom the simple idea that another actor could do the part justice and not "ruin and destroy" the MCU just because the actor is not the original one in the role.

If people want to know the mentality that makes people create write in campaigns to "retire" the character of the Joker... Well this would be a prime example to me.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Sorry, but the people sounding like they can't stand "change" aren't the supposedly set in their ways "comic book fans"

Wait, are you saying the people who'd rather move on to different characters than Tony Stark and Steve Rogers instead of doing the same thing over and over are the ones who can't stand change?

 

[Fincher]

I believe in the value of a good reboot (and I mean a real reboot, not a Crisis of Infinite Earths put the old continuity through a shredder reboot), but I don't suppose that's going to happen. I also don't have a problem with retiring characters and their superhero identies with them when they've had a good run. And the magical de-aging thing is an option if it's done well, although there's a limit to how much it can be used before it gets eye-rolling.

All of those aside, if Robert Downey, Jr. gets too old, and it comes down to recasting a younger actor or having some other character become Iron Man...I don't like either of those options. Either way, they'll be hard pressed to get me to watch the Iron Man movies (other properties will have to sink or swim on their own). If Tony suddenly gets younger...well, the example being used is James Bond, but I've never bought the idea that Timothy Dalton's Bond is Sean Connery's Bond. Putting aside the different approach to the films, he would have been a teenager when Dr. No happened.

The reason it doesn't matter is that the continuity doesn't matter to me. I treat it as a reboot because I can, whereas the MCU likes to have things connected. I can't get behind the idea that continuity matters, that these properties need to be connected, but it doesn't matter whether the continuity makes any sense. Even if they pulled one recasting off, by the second recasting he'd be what, a guy who looks the same in 2045 as he did in 2007?

As for passing the suit on...isn't the whole idea of Iron Man 3 that Iron Man is Tony Stark rather than a guy in a metal flying suit? I'm not a fan of legacy characters in general; I think a superhero identity means more if it's tied to a specific person. Tony's personality is a large part of what made the character for me as well. Steve's story and character is more important to me than him wearing a star spangled outfit and throwing a shield around. He didn't wear the suit for a great deal of The Winter Soldier, and it didn't bother me because I'm following the Steve Rogers series, not the American Flag Man series. They'd have an easier time getting me to watch a Falcon movie or a Winter Soldier movie than a Sam Wilson or Bucky Barnes as Captain America movie. Not that it matters, since they're as old as Steve, and Rhodey is as old as Tony, and they'd need to introduce newer characters to solve the age problem, anyway.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

As for passing the suit on...isn't the whole idea of Iron Man 3 that Iron Man is Tony Stark rather than a guy in a metal flying suit? I'm not a fan of legacy characters in general; I think a superhero identity means more if it's tied to a specific person. Tony's personality is a large part of what made the character for me as well. Steve's story and character is more important to me than him wearing a star spangled outfit and throwing a shield around. He didn't wear the suit for a great deal of The Winter Soldier, and it didn't bother me because I'm following the Steve Rogers series, not the American Flag Man series. They'd have an easier time getting me to watch a Falcon movie or a Winter Soldier movie than a Sam Wilson or Bucky Barnes as Captain America movie. Not that it matters, since they're as old as Steve, and Rhodey is as old as Tony, and they'd need to introduce newer characters to solve the age problem, anyway.

I think legacy characters only work in some cases, depending on the character. Cap is an ideal, so Bucky or Sam taking over makes sense. For Tony, as he said, he IS Iron Man. So someone else being Iron Man makes little sense. I could get behind Clint training Kate or Peter mentoring Miles, but I'd have a hard time seeing someone replace Thor, because he actually IS Thor.

 

[Fincher]

Kate is one I can overlook because (1) I'm all right with Hawkeye and all, but it's not like he's Steve or Natasha or Tony, and (2) from what little I've read of Kate, I specifically like her as a character. That said, she could be called something other than Hawkeye and it really wouldn't hurt anything for me.

The whole female Thor thing just doesn't make sense to me. It's not his superhero identity, it's his name. It's like Tony dying and Pepper Potts becoming the new Tony Stark. Or I guess it would be Toni Stark. Now a Sif movie, that I could understand because that's her name.

 

[Zarex]

And if they cast an actor around the same age as RDJ was in 2007? Why this assumption that they are going to recast with actors the age of the average Disney Sitcom actor at the end of their run?

I think you and a few others are just so wrapped up in the idea of how YOU want the MCU to continue that you can't see that these are franchises meant to be continued as long as the market allows. They are James Bond-ing this so that they can continue these characters for DECADES, so that YOUR KIDS are still buying Cap and Thor and Ant-Man products. Again... How does getting an actor in his mid 40's to play Iron Man after RDJ is done "blow up" the continuity of the MCU exactly? How does that "ruin" everything? Sorry, but the people sounding like they can't stand "change" aren't the supposedly set in their ways "comic book fans" (seriously... Why the mad on against the folks that kept these characters afloat for so many decades for ya'll to have them to enjoy in the 21st Century anyway? So odd that comic fans keep being brought up by some) but those that can't fathom the simple idea that another actor could do the part justice and not "ruin and destroy" the MCU just because the actor is not the original one in the role.

If people want to know the mentality that makes people create write in campaigns to "retire" the character of the Joker... Well this would be a prime example to me.

Isn't that what this entire debate is about? Many of us are excited about the possibility of real change in the MCU - folks dealing with catastrophic injuries, others dying, and some simply getting to old for this poop.

Many other people want only the illusion of change. Everything gets reset back to the status quo. Just like the comics!

And I'm including myself when I knock comic book fans. I've been buying them on and off for over four decades. But while we will willingly chow down on the same recycled characters and stories ad nauseam, I doubt movie fans will be so lenient.

The comic book cheat code isn't available, so introduce new characters and legacy versions of our favorites. Have some of the old timers to return in times of crisis. And if it doesn't attract an audience......then fine, reboot. But let's at least TRY to move forward.

 

[ernesth100]

Who says Stark will de-age? The actor will be a bit younger. The character will stay the same age. Or better yet. Simply a soft reboot for the MCU if they recast. All the past events still happened but the actors are younger.

I mean. You dont wanna recast them. You dont wanna replace with new characters. So after Phase 4 the actors inevitably gets too old. What then? Senior Avengers? Ens the MCU? These movies cant just end.

 

[Cobblepot]

The first build up was created around RDJ's Iron-Man, they are trying (for 2 years now) to get Captain America in that place so they can retire RDJ and recast him (or retire Iron-Man). The thing is Chris Evans is just not suited well enough for this, i feel his charisma is sort of 'lacking'. They really need to find another character fast right now to keep on truckin'.
It would be kinda cool to have Spider-man take over this role, I think Spider-man could do this. I just don't see it though with Tom Holland.

If all fails, they have an option to center around Hulk, and start Planet Hulk.

Right now those are the big hitters in Marvel land, Iron-Man, Captain America, Spider-Man and the Hulk.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

You dont wanna recast them. You dont wanna replace with new characters.

You do realise you are talking to different people with different preferences right?

 

[ernesth100]

....**** your right. Im sorry.

I'm on the recast side. But I could deal with a replace. The thing about recasting is it allows us to do more story arcs we want. I mean dont you wanna see Tony Stark meet Reed Richards eventually? There are so many great stories to do with Stark and Rogers. Recasting is the best way to make sure they get done. What about Secret Wars, Skrull Invasion, Galactus. You gotta have them there somehow.

Recasting is the best option

 

[Zarex]

Who says Stark will de-age? The actor will be a bit younger. The character will stay the same age. Or better yet. Simply a soft reboot for the MCU if they recast. All the past events still happened but the actors are younger.

I mean. You dont wanna recast them. You dont wanna replace with new characters. So after Phase 4 the actors inevitably gets too old. What then? Senior Avengers? Ens the MCU? These movies cant just end.

Who says I don't wanna replace with new characters? That's EXACTLY what I want to see in the MCU. I want to see brand new characters being introduced along with legacy versions of old favorites.

I want King Thor to toss his hammer from Asgard, allowing it to be picked up by a worthy human (or Korbinite). I want to see Bucky, Sam or someone else (America Chavez?) picking up the shield to continue Steve Rogers' work. I want to see Rhodey, Amadeus Cho or the long lost son he never met putting on Tony's armor and declaring that he too is Iron Man.

You could replace Hemsworth, Downey and Evans with similar looking actors and call it a day. That's easy. I'm hoping that Marvel has the nads to make the tough choices.

 

[Mike5575]

Who says I don't wanna replace with new characters? That's EXACTLY what I want to see in the MCU. I want to see brand new characters being introduced along with legacy versions of old favorites.

I want King Thor to toss his hammer from Asgard, allowing it to be picked up by a worthy human (or Korbinite). I want to see Bucky, Sam or someone else (America Chavez?) picking up the shield to continue Steve Rogers' work. I want to see Rhodey, Amadeus Cho or the long lost son he never met putting on Tony's armor and declaring that he too is Iron Man.

You could replace Hemsworth, Downey and Evans with similar looking actors and call it a day. That's easy. I'm hoping that Marvel has the nads to make the tough choices.

So, an Avengers lineup consisting of carbon copies of the old ones? Beta Ray Bill joining the Avengers? No thank you. You know, I'd like to think that Marvel is giving Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Wasp, Ant-Man, and Captain Marvel their own movies for a damn good reason beyond "oh, here's some random new heroes, or something. You could create an all new Avengers lineup without any of the old heroes or legacy characters. I mean, do people seriously want Kate Bishop to become Hawkeye or Sharon Carter become Black Widow? I mean, seriously guys.

Oh, and what's with everyone's obsession with Bucky becoming Captain America? I know it happened in the comics, but after being brainwashed for 50 years by Hydra, Bucky would be a little cray-cray.

America Chavez becoming Captain America would be a terrible choice. She's too powerful to even need a shield. On top of that, she's a female superhero that's NOT a legacy character. That's still pretty rare, and it would be a pretty stupid idea if they made her Captain America.

 

[Micromind]

If they want to replace some actors, here are some suggestions -

For Tony Stark, replace RDJ by Colin Farrell.

Replace Chris Evans by Casey Affleck for Captain America.

 

[Zarex]

So, an Avengers lineup consisting of carbon copies of the old ones? Beta Ray Bill joining the Avengers? No thank you. You know, I'd like to think that Marvel is giving Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Wasp, Ant-Man, and Captain Marvel their own movies for a damn good reason beyond "oh, here's some random new heroes, or something. You could create an all new Avengers lineup without any of the old heroes or legacy characters.

Relying on carbon copies would be hiring a thirty something (or forty something) actor to follow RDJ's Tony Stark. After eight or nine performances, I would prefer a change in direction. I'm fine with new characters, but I'd also like to see some legacy characters sprinkled in.

I mean, do people seriously want Kate Bishop to become Hawkeye or Sharon Carter become Black Widow? I mean, seriously guys.

Yes to Kate. No to Sharon.

Oh, and what's with everyone's obsession with Bucky becoming Captain America? I know it happened in the comics, but after being brainwashed for 50 years by Hydra, Bucky would be a little cray-cray.

America Chavez becoming Captain America would be a terrible choice. She's too powerful to even need a shield. On top of that, she's a female superhero that's NOT a legacy character. That's still pretty rare, and it would be a pretty stupid idea if they made her Captain America.

I actually find the idea of a mentally unbalanced Captain America to be pretty exciting. And while comic book America doesn't need a shield, we haven't met her onscreen counterpart. And Ms. America is most certainly a legacy character, following in the footsteps of Timely era Madeline Joyce Frank.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Who says I don't wanna replace with new characters? That's EXACTLY what I want to see in the MCU. I want to see brand new characters being introduced along with legacy versions of old favorites.

I want King Thor to toss his hammer from Asgard, allowing it to be picked up by a worthy human (or Korbinite). I want to see Bucky, Sam or someone else (America Chavez?) picking up the shield to continue Steve Rogers' work. I want to see Rhodey, Amadeus Cho or the long lost son he never met putting on Tony's armor and declaring that he too is Iron Man.

You could replace Hemsworth, Downey and Evans with similar looking actors and call it a day. That's easy. I'm hoping that Marvel has the nads to make the tough choices.

I have ZERO interest in any of that.

 

[ernesth100]

I have ZERO interest in any of that.

Do you have any interest in a recast?