The Dark Knight IGN on Dent

[Katsuro]

Bullock and Flass are two different characters. Flass was a corrupt cop of Gotham City. In the comics he was Gordon's first partner. He was killed by The Hangman during Dark Victory.

Bullock is a detective in the GCPD Major Crimes Unit. Despite being shady, he is a good cop. He is most comparable to Vic Mackey from The Shield. He dislikes and disapproves of Batman.

Actually, Bullock was pretty crooked in the comics for a while. He eventually did turn himself around, and become like the TAS interpretation most people know him for, but he was crooked.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Everyone is not thinking this through fully. When you say a well-known actor who may be 'unconventional', we're not talking about black actors, or oscar level winners, such as Jamie Foxx or Leonardo DiCaprio. The fact is that most people in the lists I've seen are big actors who WOULD be conventional for this film, because they've done genre stuff before.

DiCaprio - Titanic, The Beach, The Aviator, The Departed (It's not THAT hard to see him play a comic-based character following these larger than life roles).[/i]

Jamie Foxx - Ray, Collateral, Miami Vice - Like DiCaprio, he's played roles which may him less conventional.

Damon - Bourne Series, Ocean's Series, The Departed - Far too many range of roles, and both critical and mainstream success make him fit the role.

There's 3 groups of actors that would be 'unconventional', and both would be VERY controversial to the fans:-

(1) The MOVIE STARS - Pitt (he's not conventional due to his name, not the roles he's played), Cruise (NO), Hanks (?), Smith (Hell, NO!), Gibson (too old), Washington (maybe...)

(2) The Well known/non dramatics - COMEDIANS - Will Ferrell (face it, NO-ONE could see him in the role), Stiller or Wilson (F@!K NO!!!), Vaughn (???), Paul Giametti (VERY unconventional, but a bloody good actor), Carrell (Nah...), Lawrence (NOOOO!!!!!).

(3) Non-actor Actors, fan-driven - FACTOR X - Bowie (?), Serkis (hmm...), Ice Cube, Eminem (No, sorry...).

I'm REALLY hoping it's somebody that's been mentioned by any sites so far. I say to everyone to think OUTSIDE the box.

Paul Giamatti is more of a Penguin pick. But Bob Hoskins or Alfred Molina deserve Penguin the most.

Vince Vaugn wouldn't be a bad pick for Clayface IMO. But I want Rob Perlman instead.

As for all the other actors on your list:

Serkis = Mad Hatter

And Leo is probably the only one I could see as a possible Dent choice. Matt Damon I think should take over as Daredevil or be Aquaman.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Bullock and Flass are two different characters. Flass was a corrupt cop of Gotham City. In the comics he was Gordon's first partner. He was killed by The Hangman during Dark Victory.

Bullock is a detective in the GCPD Major Crimes Unit. Despite being shady, he is a good cop. He is most comparable to Vic Mackey from The Shield. He dislikes and disapproves of Batman.

I understand that.

But let me explain my reasoning, okay?

Bullock in the comics was originally on Rupert Thorne's payroll, they got Jim Gordon removed from office and Bullock was meant to take his place. Jim went into business as a private detective and set about clearing his name.

In the end, Bullock redeemed himself by helping Jim and Batman get rid of the corrupt Mayor Hill (who was also a puppet of Rupert Thorne).

Further, Flass in the comics looked nothing like Flass in Batman Begins. However, Flass in Batman Begins is a dead ringer for Harvey Bullock as he appeared in the Rupert Thorne / Hamilton Hill / Jim Gordon, PI storyline.

What I'm getting at is that I suspect they plan to use Flass the way that Bullock was used in the comics; that he will wind up helping Jim and Batman clean up the city, turning on the mafia guys that own him, and turning out to be a decent cop. And when Jim becomes commissioner he will keep Flass around.

That's what I'm saying. Don't be surprised if it happens.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Actually, Bullock was pretty crooked in the comics for a while. He eventually did turn himself around, and become like the TAS interpretation most people know him for, but he was crooked.

Thank you. It's good that someone else remembers history around here.

 

[Nepenthes]

I understand that.

But let me explain my reasoning, okay?

Bullock in the comics was originally on Rupert Thorne's payroll, they got Jim Gordon removed from office and Bullock was meant to take his place. Jim went into business as a private detective and set about clearing his name.

In the end, Bullock redeemed himself by helping Jim and Batman get rid of the corrupt Mayor Hill (who was also a puppet of Rupert Thorne).

Further, Flass in the comics looked nothing like Flass in Batman Begins. However, Flass in Batman Begins is a dead ringer for Harvey Bullock as he appeared in the Rupert Thorne / Hamilton Hill / Jim Gordon, PI storyline.

What I'm getting at is that I suspect they plan to use Flass the way that Bullock was used in the comics; that he will wind up helping Jim and Batman clean up the city, turning on the mafia guys that own him, and turning out to be a decent cop. And when Jim becomes commissioner he will keep Flass around.

That's what I'm saying. Don't be surprised if it happens.

I was about to post because I was confused with your earlier comments as well, but that's an interesting possibility with Flass turning around. Some might say it's unlikely Nolan will maintain that much continuity in the films - general audiences might not get it and it would take up precious minutes of screentime to convey, but I think it would be nice.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I was about to post because I was confused with your earlier comments as well, but that's an interesting possibility with Flass turning around. Some might say it's unlikely Nolan will maintain that much continuity in the films - general audiences might not get it and it would take up precious minutes of screentime to convey, but I think it would be nice.

Glad you approve.

For what it's worth, I do believe something like that is coming. I mean, there was a fair amount of corruption implied in Batman Begins, but only a little actually demonstrated. We saw Flass being crooked. We saw a commissioner named Loeb, but there was no real connection between him and the Loeb from Year One. We never saw the mayor. So the only corruption we really saw was Flass. Yet, remarks by Jim, Rachel, Falcone, Ra's al Ghul, Bruce Wayne, all imply a significantly greater amount of corruption than what we saw actively taking place in the movie.

Wasn't it also rumored that new layers of corruption would be exposed in the city? And Flass was never dealt with in Begins, he was still a cop at the end of Begins, and still corrupt as far as we know.

Plus, it's a foregone conclusion that Jim Gordon will continue to rise through the ranks. I think it would be best if Jim rose through the ranks by exposing some corrupt officials. I think using Flass in that context as the Bullock-type character would be a lot of fun.

 

[Brian2887]

I'm going to say it again, because I'm starting to expect this to happen. I have no evidence to support it, but just call it a feeling.

At the end of January, in time to coincide with the release of Smokin' Aces, Ryan Reynolds will be announced as Harvey Dent.

He's unconventional, as he's most well-known as a comedic actor. But, lately, he's been steping away from pure comedies, i.e. Smokin' Aces, Blade Trinity, The Amityville Horror.

David Goyer, co-writer of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, loves Reynolds. He cast him in Blade Trinity, and wants him for the role of The Flash. Goyer could have easily recommended Reynolds to Nolan.

Reynolds has the charm and charisma to be Dent, easily. Plus, Dent is supposed to be a good-looking guy, and the ladies seem to love Reynolds. And, as a heterosexual man, I can admit he's a good-lookin' fella.

In the comics, and hopefully an element they'll keep in the movie, Gordon thought Dent was Batman for a while. That means Dent has to be tall, athletic, and intense. As far as tall and athletic, Reynolds stands at just under 6'3, and he has a very muscular build.

As intense goes, Reynolds has been working on proving that. He's been good, but he hasn't had the material to show off completely what he can do. Blade Trinity and The Amityville Horror showed some range, but Smokin' Aces will show more of it. The only review I've seen for the flick calls Reynolds the closest thing the movie has to a leading man, and he pulls it off with flying colors. Not only that, he shares most of his screen time with Ray Liotta, a proven and great actor. For Reynolds to bounce off Liotta without problems in a dramatic role, he's got to have some range.

The guy is a rising star, proving himself to be pretty popular with the movie-going public. And, with Reynolds looking for dramatic roles to further prove his chops, The Dark Knight seems right up his alley. Not only does he get to attach his name to a powerful franchise, he gets to act with some of the best actors around - Bale, Ledger, Caine, Oldman, Freeman.

Again, I've pulled this information from nowhere. It's just a theory that kind of came to me. Ryan Reynolds will be Harvey Dent / Two-Face.

 

[raybia]

I'm going to say it again, because I'm starting to expect this to happen. I have no evidence to support it, but just call it a feeling.

At the end of January, in time to coincide with the release of Smokin' Aces, Ryan Reynolds will be announced as Harvey Dent.

He's unconventional, as he's most well-known as a comedic actor. But, lately, he's been steping away from pure comedies, i.e. Smokin' Aces, Blade Trinity, The Amityville Horror.

David Goyer, co-writer of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, loves Reynolds. He cast him in Blade Trinity, and wants him for the role of The Flash. Goyer could have easily recommended Reynolds to Nolan.

Reynolds has the charm and charisma to be Dent, easily. Plus, Dent is supposed to be a good-looking guy, and the ladies seem to love Reynolds. And, as a heterosexual man, I can admit he's a good-lookin' fella.

In the comics, and hopefully an element they'll keep in the movie, Gordon thought Dent was Batman for a while. That means Dent has to be tall, athletic, and intense. As far as tall and athletic, Reynolds stands at just under 6'3, and he has a very muscular build.

As intense goes, Reynolds has been working on proving that. He's been good, but he hasn't had the material to show off completely what he can do. Blade Trinity and The Amityville Horror showed some range, but Smokin' Aces will show more of it. The only review I've seen for the flick calls Reynolds the closest thing the movie has to a leading man, and he pulls it off with flying colors. Not only that, he shares most of his screen time with Ray Liotta, a proven and great actor. For Reynolds to bounce off Liotta without problems in a dramatic role, he's got to have some range.

The guy is a rising star, proving himself to be pretty popular with the movie-going public. And, with Reynolds looking for dramatic roles to further prove his chops, The Dark Knight seems right up his alley. Not only does he get to attach his name to a powerful franchise, he gets to act with some of the best actors around - Bale, Ledger, Caine, Oldman, Freeman.

Again, I've pulled this information from nowhere. It's just a theory that kind of came to me. Ryan Reynolds will be Harvey Dent / Two-Face.

Good argument and good suggestion.

The only problem is if you take what Jett has to say as truth, he states that the choice is both "un-conventional" AND they're allegedly "aiming high".

I don't think Reynolds is high enough. (Wait that doesn't come out quite right.)

 

[Nepenthes]

No arguement he's got the charm and charisma, but otherwise he's a very average actor and Nolan does not cast average actors in any of his movies. So when BOF says Nolan is aiming high that means waaaay the hell up there. But you're right he does seem to be crowd pleaser he's got that in his favour.

Personally I think it's an interesting suggestion whether it's likely or not. It's not as brainless as half the ideas people have here, I'd be open to it.

 

[Two-Face]

No arguement he's got the charm and charisma, but otherwise he's a very average actor and Nolan does not cast average actors in any of his movies. So when BOF says Nolan is aiming high that means waaaay the hell up there. But you're right he does seem to be crowd pleaser he's got that in his favour.

Personally I think it's an interesting suggestion whether it's likely or not. It's not as brainless as half the ideas people have here, I'd be open to it.

Who is your Dent?

 

[Van Petrol]

Lately I've been thinking Nicolas Cage.

 

[raybia]

Mine was Clive Owen but here of late I'm kind of leaning towards Jacqine Phoenix.

I also saw "The Proprosition" last night. Awesome movie! I would just love to have Guy Pearce as Dent.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I think when they say aiming high every has to throw in Denzel or Leo.... but ain't that just too high??? I can't imagine them dishing out the bucks to sign those guys... probably because they won't do it in the first place... Damon, Leo, Denzel... I just think those names are too big to merit a serious discussion... just a thought... time will only tell

 

[Two-Face]

Lately I've been thinking Nicolas Cage.

Tell me, you're joking right??

 

[raybia]

I think when they say aiming high every has to throw in Denzel or Leo.... but ain't that just too high??? I can't imagine them dishing out the bucks to sign those guys... probably because they won't do it in the first place... Damon, Leo, Denzel... I just think those names are too big to merit a serious discussion... just a thought... time will only tell

I think that names that big know that getting together with the right director is what is going to keep them up there and Nolan will be a director that more and more A list actors will want to work for.

 

[Van Petrol]

Tell me, you're joking right??

No I'm not. And its just a suggeston, no need to rip into me.

 

[Maxwell Smart]

and keep in mind, Dent is the district attorney of one of America's major cities

Actually, theres reason to think he might actually be an Asst. DA. Most people aren't aware that district attorneys themselves are more like CEOs or politicians. Its the Asst. DAs who actually try cases, the actual DAs rarely if ever do it themselves.

Another thing a lot of people don't realise is that you don't have to be that old to be an Asst. DA. Its quite common for them to be hired right out of law school. Rachel Dawes was supposed to be two years older than Bruce, however even if she had been Katie Holmes' actual age at the time(26 I think), it wouldn't have been that unrealistic for her to be an Asst. DA.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I'm going to say it again, because I'm starting to expect this to happen. I have no evidence to support it, but just call it a feeling.

At the end of January, in time to coincide with the release of Smokin' Aces, Ryan Reynolds will be announced as Harvey Dent.

He's unconventional, as he's most well-known as a comedic actor. But, lately, he's been steping away from pure comedies, i.e. Smokin' Aces, Blade Trinity, The Amityville Horror.

David Goyer, co-writer of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, loves Reynolds. He cast him in Blade Trinity, and wants him for the role of The Flash. Goyer could have easily recommended Reynolds to Nolan.

Reynolds has the charm and charisma to be Dent, easily. Plus, Dent is supposed to be a good-looking guy, and the ladies seem to love Reynolds. And, as a heterosexual man, I can admit he's a good-lookin' fella.

In the comics, and hopefully an element they'll keep in the movie, Gordon thought Dent was Batman for a while. That means Dent has to be tall, athletic, and intense. As far as tall and athletic, Reynolds stands at just under 6'3, and he has a very muscular build.

As intense goes, Reynolds has been working on proving that. He's been good, but he hasn't had the material to show off completely what he can do. Blade Trinity and The Amityville Horror showed some range, but Smokin' Aces will show more of it. The only review I've seen for the flick calls Reynolds the closest thing the movie has to a leading man, and he pulls it off with flying colors. Not only that, he shares most of his screen time with Ray Liotta, a proven and great actor. For Reynolds to bounce off Liotta without problems in a dramatic role, he's got to have some range.

The guy is a rising star, proving himself to be pretty popular with the movie-going public. And, with Reynolds looking for dramatic roles to further prove his chops, The Dark Knight seems right up his alley. Not only does he get to attach his name to a powerful franchise, he gets to act with some of the best actors around - Bale, Ledger, Caine, Oldman, Freeman.

Again, I've pulled this information from nowhere. It's just a theory that kind of came to me. Ryan Reynolds will be Harvey Dent / Two-Face.

Nah... No Ryan for Dent.

To me he's three other guys: The Flash (Wally West of course), Deadpool, and Hannibal King. Marvel needs to sign him on for either a Nightstalkers movie or Deadpool movie and D.C. needs to get him for The Flash.

 

[Matt]

Actually, theres reason to think he might actually be an Asst. DA. Most people aren't aware that district attorneys themselves are more like CEOs or politicians. Its the Asst. DAs who actually try cases, the actual DAs rarely if ever do it themselves.

The DA handles major cases. I think a sudden uprise in "super villians" would warrant his involvement

 

[Matt]

I understand that.

But let me explain my reasoning, okay?

Bullock in the comics was originally on Rupert Thorne's payroll, they got Jim Gordon removed from office and Bullock was meant to take his place. Jim went into business as a private detective and set about clearing his name.

In the end, Bullock redeemed himself by helping Jim and Batman get rid of the corrupt Mayor Hill (who was also a puppet of Rupert Thorne).

Further, Flass in the comics looked nothing like Flass in Batman Begins. However, Flass in Batman Begins is a dead ringer for Harvey Bullock as he appeared in the Rupert Thorne / Hamilton Hill / Jim Gordon, PI storyline.

What I'm getting at is that I suspect they plan to use Flass the way that Bullock was used in the comics; that he will wind up helping Jim and Batman clean up the city, turning on the mafia guys that own him, and turning out to be a decent cop. And when Jim becomes commissioner he will keep Flass around.

That's what I'm saying. Don't be surprised if it happens.

Ah, I see. But you are citing Pre-Crisis Bullock, right? Pre-Crisis Bullock was a bumbling idiot though and I would rather not see any relation to that. Your idea, could work, sure. I'd rather just see a new character. There is too much going on in these movies to bother with a sidestory on Flass' redemption, I think.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Ah, I see. But you are citing Pre-Crisis Bullock, right? Pre-Crisis Bullock was a bumbling idiot though and I would rather not see any relation to that. Your idea, could work, sure. I'd rather just see a new character. There is too much going on in these movies to bother with a sidestory on Flass' redemption, I think.

Yeah, I'm citing pre-crisis Bullock. I'm not a post-crisis continuity kind of fan, although I do like some of the stories that have come since. One of the things I love about Begins is that they used a lot of influences that were both pre- and post-crisis, and made a new continuity that retains the strengths of both.

The way I see it, Flass from Begins is an established character. There's no point introducing another fat slob of a detective when they already have one. No point wasting time introducing a new character. To me it makes a lot more sense taking the character they've already established and doing some character work on him. If anything it's because there's much going on in these movies, as you put it, that it makes more sense to use the established character from Begins than to introduce a new one. Gordon needs to become Commissioner at some point, and the Flass story really isn't finished at all, so why not let the two of them continue their story as a sub-plot? You gotta admit that the overall arc of the trilogy seems to be about "cleaning up Gotham," and while Batman is doing all that he can do, the real strength of the character is that he is also a symbol that can inspire others to action. Gordon and Flass could clean up Gotham because Batman inspired them to do so. The foundation is already laid.

Dent will want to clean up Gotham... as Two-Face he will want to do it in another way. Joker is that psychotic kid with crayons drawing on the walls and threatening Batman's sanity and turning Harvey Dent into Two-Face. Falcone was part of the problem. Crane was part of the problem. Ra's was part of the problem. Moxon or whomever will be part of the problem. Penguin would be part of the problem if he is in it.

Well, Flass has been part of the problem. He can be part of the solution, as Jim is part of the solution, as Dent is part of the solution until the bad thing happens. After the bad thing he still wants to be part of the solution, but he goes about it in the wrong way.

Thematically, continuing Gordon and Flass's storyline makes perfect sense.

 

[Matt]

Yeah, I'm citing pre-crisis Bullock. I'm not a post-crisis continuity kind of fan, although I do like some of the stories that have come since. One of the things I love about Begins is that they used a lot of influences that were both pre- and post-crisis, and made a new continuity that retains the strengths of both.

The way I see it, Flass from Begins is an established character. There's no point introducing another fat slob of a detective when they already have one. No point wasting time introducing a new character. To me it makes a lot more sense taking the character they've already established and doing some character work on him. If anything it's because there's much going on in these movies, as you put it, that it makes more sense to use the established character from Begins than to introduce a new one. Gordon needs to become Commissioner at some point, and the Flass story really isn't finished at all, so why not let the two of them continue their story as a sub-plot? You gotta admit that the overall arc of the trilogy seems to be about "cleaning up Gotham," and while Batman is doing all that he can do, the real strength of the character is that he is also a symbol that can inspire others to action. Gordon and Flass could clean up Gotham because Batman inspired them to do so. The foundation is already laid.

Dent will want to clean up Gotham... as Two-Face he will want to do it in another way. Joker is that psychotic kid with crayons drawing on the walls and threatening Batman's sanity and turning Harvey Dent into Two-Face. Falcone was part of the problem. Crane was part of the problem. Ra's was part of the problem. Moxon or whomever will be part of the problem. Penguin would be part of the problem if he is in it.

Well, Flass has been part of the problem. He can be part of the solution, as Jim is part of the solution, as Dent is part of the solution until the bad thing happens. After the bad thing he still wants to be part of the solution, but he goes about it in the wrong way.

Thematically, continuing Gordon and Flass's storyline makes perfect sense.

Y'know what Keyser? You've sold me. Good call

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Y'know what Keyser? You've sold me. Good call

My favorite words!

 

[Crooklyn]

Y'know what Keyser? You've sold me. Good call

Lol, sorry...but reading that, and seeing a black man in the avvy just made me giggle.

 

[Threshold]

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