Sequels Ign Spidey 4 lives! Someone may not be dead!

[Tempest19]

sm4- Hero complex. Marriage. Love. Freedom.

Who fits?

Baker already said Raimi talked to him about it on set.

The Hero Complex/ Fear the something might happen to MJ = Pre-marriage jitters.

 

[kbrooksgohan]

Um...Sandman didn't die...so it can't be him! So the only other characters who "died" are Venom and Harry. And Harry was impaled just like his father so if it were him how? If that's the case Norman Osborn is still alive! It's Venom that's logical and makes sense.

 

[mpw261]

im still trying to figure out what peter has to go through next..

 

[SPIDERMAN117]

That One Piece Of SymBiote Is Somewhere In Dr.Connors Lab And What We Saw In The Game Trailer About The Lizard May Be A Preview For things To Come

 

[Venom 1988]

Um...Sandman didn't die...so it can't be him! So the only other characters who "died" are Venom and Harry. And Harry was impaled just like his father so if it were him how? If that's the case Norman Osborn is still alive! It's Venom that's logical and makes sense.

No but he appears to die in the last battle from what some people have said, though it is revealed at the end he lives

 

[mpw261]

sm4- Hero complex. Marriage. Love. Freedom.

Who fits?

Baker already said Raimi talked to him about it on set.

The Hero Complex/ Fear the something might happen to MJ = Pre-marriage jitters.

that kinda does make sense
with dr connors knowing peter, it wouldnt be surprising that spidey would be worried about mj

 

[Tempest19]

im still trying to figure out what peter has to go through next..

Hero Complex.

Peter needs to feel FREE. He's obviously not free yet.

Spoiler

How would you feel if your best friend died saving your life? Happy that he forgave you or that along with GUILT?

This GUILT can play a huge role in the Lizard's story. Check Doctor Connor's first couple of appearances to find out what I mean.

You loop those together with pre-marriage jitters= hero complex.

You've got one of hell of a story.

For more, stay tuned for my Spider-Man 4 screenplay premiering Net-Wide May 4th.

I've had a lot of fun writing it.... and I've written alot of Spidey stories with my short lived Spider-Man: The Series that premiered last year.

 

[christpunchers]

The marriage theme will be excellent. Would die to see MJ and peter get married then a villian comes in to crash the wedding.

 

[kbrooksgohan]

Yeah, the marriage theme would be cool. Who would crash the party? Venom! It's venom! He might come back. Since when did they say in the spoilers and previews that Sandman dies? What have we known for awhile that 2 people will die one good one bad....and venom just disappears so uh....I believe its venom!

 

[Tempest19]

The only thing I'm wondering is if Dafoe was there?! That would be a cool twist from the comic.

NORMAN: You took my son away from me!

PETER: You tried to make him kill him, he died protecting me-

NORMAN: He isn't that weak.

PETER: He wasn't weak!

Etc. Well, you get the idea- it would just be a cool idea if they were to bring back to life someone it would have a comic book prevelence to it happening.

 

[kooguy911]

mark my words, mark them well.

The vulture and black cat are the villans in spiderman 4.

 

[seishin87]

and venom just disappears so uh....I believe its venom!

Actually Venom doesn't "Just disappear".

Spoiler

Brock and the symbiote get flash cremated and you see Brock become a pile of ash a-la the board of directors from S-M 1

If it was Topher who said that perhaps he heard that they might be bringing back the symbiote and thinks there may be hope for a return. I could see them finding a way to resurrect the symbiote but to bring back would be a horrible godawful cop out IMO. For me it would cheapen the end of S-M 3. If they want to bring him back they shouldn't kill the bastard off in the first place.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I don't get how people might deny that it's Venom. He's the only one you could bring back as a villain who dies in this new flick. Sandman lives, and is reformed. Harry died reformed.

Now, if it is indeed Venom that's the character in question, I do fear for the quality of his portrayal. If Raimi is doing 4 and Venom is in it, it will be good. If someone else does it, we could slip into Lethal Protector or Carnage territory, and that would be very, very bad.

Now, if Brock/Venom comes back, I won't be entirely unhappy, but it's unnecessary. Since the theme of Spider-Man 3 is letting revenge take over your life, undoing the death of Brock, who exemplifies the main point, cheapens it. Or not, depending on how he'd be handled if he returns. If Peter keeps trying to salvage Brock, you can keep the theme alive in the fact that he's still being driven by this irrational hate and revenge has still overtaken him.

So, I dunno. Venom is undoubtedly the character, but I'm wary of how it could go.

 

[The Joker]

I don't get how people might deny that it's Venom. He's the only one you could bring back as a villain who dies in this new flick. Sandman lives, and is reformed.

Who said Sandman reformed? Just because Peter forgave him for Ben does not mean he's retired from crime. The issue with his daughter is not cleared up by all accounts.

Now, if it is indeed Venom that's the character in question, I do fear for the quality of his portrayal. If Raimi is doing 4 and Venom is in it, it will be good. If someone else does it, we could slip into Lethal Protector or Carnage territory, and that would be very, very bad.

There's nothing else you can do with Venom that is not being done in SM-3. I hope Raimi comes back for Spidey 4. Guarantee Venom won't be resurfacing.

 

[J.Jonah Jameson]

I could see Sandman coming back, I thought Grant said something about the theme for SM4 leaning towards Trust.

 

[chaseter]

What else are they going to do with Venom? He's a one trick pony. Bringing him back just to have another crack at Peter again is just rehashing SM-3.

And from what we've heard with Sandman's ending, his dilemma regarding his daughter is left unresolved.

I was speaking about the symbiote. Why would THC also say that he might not be dead when no one actually saw him die? It would be more so obvious if he just said he would more than likely be back. Plus Sandman kind of went good and resolved his conflict between Peter.

 

[lordofthenerds]

It wouldn't really make sense for THC to say "It turns out I may not be completely dead" when he has said before his exit can be interpreted in many ways. I'm still thinking it's Topher who said it.

He just disintegrates and goes away, and maybe it's sacrificial and he's returning to the earth. Maybe he's only going to be with his daughter and will not continue in his criminal activities. It's open to interpretation and that's what we wanted. Whatever life experience that people come into the movie with is largely going to determine how they think about Sandman's exit from the movie.

 

[chaseter]

^What I was thinking lordofthenerds.

But I just had a great thought regarding SM4 and the Lizard. Trust/Love would be a great theme for SM4. We haven't seen Doc Connor's wife yet and I think Curt and Martha would be a great example for Peter and MJ...especially in the eyes of Peter since Connors is his mentor. It would show a great dynamic between their marriage if Martha...like in the 90's cartoon still loved her husand and was the only person Lizard responded to and did not harm. It would show a marriage can survive through anything. Yet as Peter and MJ's wedding approaches, MJ is having second thoughts. This is where love and trust would come into play. Martha would do anything to save her husband and MJ realizes that...maybe we will get a wedding.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

The Venom saga continues

 

[The Joker]

The Venom saga continues

No, it wont. Sandman will be back.

 

[yugh2]

I think the symbiote will return, but not venom. Carnage is possible as long as they build up his story from like 4. Spidey catches cassidy sends him to jail. Then in 5 he escape but good old spidey returns him to his warm jail cell. Finally in the 6th movie the symbiote makes a return and joins with him to form carnage.

 

[amazingdm]

Man I just cannot believe how freaking excited I would be if it was

"Spider-Man 4: Maximum Carnage" where he has to team up with Venom

 

[seishin87]

As much as people seem to hate the idea, I can see them bringing Carnage into the mix. Look at what happens in S-M 3, Connors still has the symbiote sample and they just introduced Gwen Stacy. Me thinks we might be getting something along the lines of USM mixed with the traditional Cletus Cassidy storyline. I'd much rather see what they can come up with for Carnage than them resurrecting Brock from his demise.

 

[yugh2]

No, it wont. Sandman will be back.

but sandy is such a boring character no need for him to appear in another film

 

[Batman]

Norman Osborn.

He appears dead throughout the entire movie, and if there's one villain notorious for coming back to haunt Peter in the comics, it's him. I wouldn't nessacarily mind it, only if it's a good enough story to make it plausible and not seem redundant with the entire concept of The Green Goblin, with his mentions and appearances in all three films in some way, shape, or form.