Inspectors So Far Denied Access to Iran’s Scientists

[Taarna]

Terrible start. Obama, its not too late to rip up the bad deal.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-ref...eal-1438813826

 

[SV Fan]

Terrible start. Obama, its not too late to rip up the bad deal.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-ref...eal-1438813826

So wait a minute the deal is in effect now?

 

[ThePhantasm]

Is anyone really surprised by this?

 

[herakles]

So wait a minute the deal is in effect now?

Are you going to blame Bush Jr when this treaty blows up in our face!?

 

[Marvolo]

"The article no longer exists."

Got another source, Taarna?

If this is actually true then its fine for now. Congress doesnt vote on the deal until September so its a bit premature to give up on the deal. We shouldnt be allowed to inspect until congress gets off their ass and votes.

And even if they continue to deny access, due to the snapback stipulations in the deal they have to present their case for denying the inspection to the countries who made the deal and then if they still refuse to allow any inspections the sanctions go back into effect and they stand to lose hundreds of billions of dollars. This deal will push $100 billion dollars into their economy and allow them to sell and trade oil.

Its too early to start acting like chicken little.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Taarna wants this deal to fail harder than Netanyahu.

 

[herakles]

"The article no longer exists."

Got another source, Taarna?

If this is actually true then its fine for now. Congress doesnt vote on the deal until September so its a bit premature to give up on the deal. We shouldnt be allowed to inspect until congress gets off their ass and votes.

And even if they continue to deny access, due to the snapback stipulations in the deal they have to present their case for denying the inspection to the countries who made the deal and then if they still refuse to allow any inspections the sanctions go back into effect and they stand to lose hundreds of billions of dollars. This deal will push $100 billion dollars into their economy and allow them to sell and trade oil.

Its too early to start acting like chicken little.

Wouldn't you think that Iran would allow the inspections as an act of good faith?

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Maybe Israel should set a good example in the middle east and allow inspections of their nuclear program.

 

[Marvolo]

Wouldn't you think that Iran would allow the inspections as an act of good faith?

Most likely they are reluctant because the US hasnt voted on the deal yet so Iran doesnt even know if the US government will hold up its end of the agreement and drop the sanctions. They are probably afraid congress will vote against the deal, and considering that the GOP is running congress Iran has every reason to not trust the US to stick to the deal.

If we do approve the deal in congress, this deal still has a lot of bitterness and politics to overcome.

Im sure the GOP congressmen will use this to try to kill the deal which will only confirm to the Iranians what they already suspect and believe. That we cant be trusted.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Most likely they are reluctant because the US hasnt voted on the deal yet so Iran doesnt even know if the US government will hold up its end of the agreement and drop the sanctions. They are probably afraid congress will vote against the deal, and considering that the GOP is running congress Iran has every reason to not trust the US to stick to the deal.

If we do approve the deal in congress, this deal still has a lot of bitterness and politics to overcome.

Im sure the GOP congressmen will use this to try to kill the deal which will only confirm to the Iranians what they already suspect and believe. That we cant be trusted.

I'm not going against everything you say, I actually saw your point in another thread. But this "trust" goes both ways. I'll wait until the vote is passed, I'll give it that. But at the first sign of deception it's over.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm not going against everything you say, I actually saw your point in another thread. But this "trust" goes both ways. I'll wait until the vote is passed, I'll give it that. But at the first sign of deception it's over.

I agree they are going to need to give some, but we have to give them a chance right now. Months down the line if congress has voted and approved the deal, if Iran is still refusing inspections then we need to let the sanctions snapback, but right now its a bit early for that.

And remember that the international community (except Israel) isnt interested in war with Iran so even if we vote down the deal or approve it and they refuse inspections its unlikely we will convince other countries to help us in a war. And some countries including Iran are just tired of us bossing them around. Pushing them and poking at this isnt in anyone's best interest. The situation is too delicate for rash actions.

Dozens of retired generals, admirals back Iran nuclear deal.

Three dozen retired generals and admirals released an open letter Tuesday supporting the Iran nuclear deal and urging Congress to do the same.

Calling the agreement “the most effective means currently available to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons,” the letter said that gaining international support for military action against Iran, should that ever become necessary, “would only be possible if we have first given the diplomatic path a chance.”

The release came as Secretary of State John F. Kerry said U.S. allies were “going to look at us and laugh” if the United States were to abandon the deal and then ask them to back a more aggressive posture against Iran.

Not only would U.S. global credibility be undermined, Kerry said, but also the dollar’s position as the world’s reserve currency would be threatened.

“It’s not going to happen overnight,” Kerry said in a public question-and-answer session at Reuters news service headquarters in New York . “But I’m telling you, there’s a huge antipathy out there” to U.S. leadership. Pointing to efforts by Russia and China to join forces with rising, nonaligned powers, he said that “there’s a big bloc out there, folks, that isn’t just sitting around waiting for the United States to tell them what to do.”

If the United States walks away from the deal with Iran and demands that its allies comply with sanctions, the dollar could cease to be the world's reserve currency, Secretary of State John F. Kerry said. (Reuters)
Kerry and President Obama, who is vacationing in Martha’s Vineyard, are using the August congressional recess to counter claims made by opponents of the deal during recent hearings.

People who think negotiators can go back to the drawing board and improve on what has been agreed are unrealistic, Kerry said.

“When I hear a senator, a congressman stand up and say ‘We should get a better deal’ — That is not going to happen,” he said. “If everybody thinks ‘Oh, no, we’re just tough. . . . we can force people. . . . America is strong enough, our banks are tough enough, we can just bring the hammer down and force people to do what we want to do.’

“Are you kidding me?” Kerry said.

Instead, he painted a harsh picture of the results of U.S. rejection. Allies would refuse to retain sanctions or impose new ones, or join in possible military action, he said.

The letter from the retired military officers followed the release this past weekend of a letter to Obama by 29 of the nation’s leading scientists, who called the Iran deal “technically sound, stringent and innovative” and said it would “provide the necessary assurance in the coming decade and more that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons.”

The letters provide the White House with additional backing as it wages an increasingly uphill fight to protect the agreement from congressional destruction. Lawmakers will decide next month whether to “disapprove” the deal, a vote that currently appears sure to win near universal Republican support and a significant number of Democratic defections.

The administration’s fight now is to persuade enough Democrats to vote to sustain an Obama veto of the disapproval. Some Democratic lawmakers have already said they favor the deal while others, including Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), in line to be the next Democratic leader in the Senate, have voiced opposition.

Under a deal negotiated between the White House and Congress, if a disapproval resolution stands, Obama will be barred from waiving U.S. sanctions as part of U.S. responsibility under the agreement.

Signers of the military letter include retired general and flag officers from every branch of service. They include four-star Marine Gens. James Cartwright, former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Joseph P. Hoar, former head of the U.S. Central Command; and Gens. Merrill McPeak and Lloyd W. Newton of the Air Force.

“There is no better option to prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon,” the letter said. “Military action would be less effective than the deal, assuming it is fully implemented. If the Iranians cheat, our advanced technology, intelligence and the inspections will reveal it, and U.S. military options remain on the table.”

“And if the deal is rejected by America,” it said, “the Iranians could have a nuclear weapon within a year. The choice is that stark.”

Retired Navy Rear Adm. Harold L. Robinson, a rabbi and former naval chaplain who chairs the National Conference on Ministry to the Armed Forces, also signed.

“As a lifelong Zionist, devoted to Israel, and a retired general officer and a rabbi for over 40 years, and operating without institutional encumbrances, I have a unique perspective,” Robinson said in an interview.

He said he spoke out to demonstrate that “those of us who love Israel in the United States are not of one mind and one voice on this matter. I thought it was important to represent some of the diversity within the American Jewish community.”

A link to the letter can be found in the article at the link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...26f6ae-4045-11e5-bfe3-ff1d8549bfd2_story.html

 

[SV Fan]

I'm not going against everything you say, I actually saw your point in another thread. But this "trust" goes both ways. I'll wait until the vote is passed, I'll give it that. But at the first sign of deception it's over.

This is the way I look at it, give them a chance to change and if they screw up then all is fair game. When it comes down to it Iran poses little threat to America on US soil(no matter how much neocons try to scare us they are)

 

[Smashlilman]

Wouldn't you think that Iran would allow the inspections as an act of good faith?

Would we have allowed the Russians to inspect our Nuclear sites ahead of their government voting to abide by there end of the treaty.

 

[SV Fan]

Would we have allowed the Russians to inspect our Nuclear sites ahead of their government voting to abide by there end of the treaty.

But we are 'Murica, see the difference

 

[Siby]

I remember reading that the US doesn't allow any inspection by the UN of our armaments.

Does Israel allow UN inspectors? If not, what are they hiding?

On a side note, it sickens me that the United States Congress listens to a foreign leader like Netenyahu more than our own president. I get that the Republicans and some Democrats don't like Obama but man show the position of the Presidency some respect. You're representing America not Israel.

 

[chaseter]

Do you forget the Bush years?

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I remember reading that the US doesn't allow any inspection by the UN of our armaments.

Does Israel allow UN inspectors? If not, what are they hiding?

On a side note, it sickens me that the United States Congress listens to a foreign leader like Netenyahu more than our own president. I get that the Republicans and some Democrats don't like Obama but man show the position of the Presidency some respect. You're representing America not Israel.

Netanyahu has been crying wolf about Iran being close to a nuke for the last two decades and his intelligence leading up to the Iraq war was shaky at best. And who could forget his "guarantee" to congress...

"If you take out Saddam’s Regime, I guarantee you, that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region. And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, young people, and many others, will say the time of such regimes, of such despots is gone."

How many times does he get to be wrong before his credibility and motives are questioned?

 

[Siby]

Do you forget the Bush years?

The issue is not the same. When President Bush was in office the ridicule and vitriol he felt was from the people of his own country that didn't agree with him. The Democrats weren't beholden to a foreign leader and against Bush like the Republicans and some Democrats are against Obama.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Plus W's democratic congress passed all kinds of wasteful spending that he wanted to do

 

[chaseter]

Plus W's democratic congress passed all kinds of wasteful spending that he wanted to do

You blame W. for forcing Democrats to pass wasteful spending bills? Are they spineless or wasteful?

 

[chaseter]

The issue is not the same. When President Bush was in office the ridicule and vitriol he felt was from the people of his own country that didn't agree with him. The Democrats weren't beholden to a foreign leader and against Bush like the Republicans and some Democrats are against Obama.

The U.S. has been beholden to Israel longer than I've been alive on this planet. The Democrats level of vitriol and disrespect for Bush match that of the GOP to Obama. The left have political amnesia and so will the GOP if they win back the Presidency.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

You blame W. for forcing Democrats to pass wasteful spending bills? Are they spineless or wasteful?

Did I say that? No, I did not. You were trying to make the point that Bush got crap from Dems during his time but compare his congress which worked with him to the least productive and most combative congress ever that is working with Obama and you'll see the point I am making

 

[summerteeth]

Did I say that? No, I did not. You were trying to make the point that Bush got crap from Dems during his time but compare his congress which worked with him to the least productive and most combative congress ever that is working with Obama and you'll see the point I am making

Obama set that tone though. When Olympia Snowe doesn't feel like she can work with you or that you are interested in working with her then there is a problem.

 

[herakles]

Maybe Israel should set a good example in the middle east and allow inspections of their nuclear program.

They should and probably would EXCEPT that they are NOT under international sanctions for being a international terrorist sponsoring nation like Iran is. Hamas, and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations both of which are bank rolled by Iran.

Iran is the one that is trying to negotiate a deal to lift sanctions while Israel is NOT.

"If you take out Saddam’s Regime, I guarantee you, that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region. And I think that people sitting right next door in Iran, young people, and many others, will say the time of such regimes, of such despots is gone."

Had Donald Rumsfeld handled the transition period better like say NOT disband the Iraq army without first disarming the troops. Or actually working within the Iraq's tribal society who knows how things would have been but for sure it not have been worse.

You blame W. for forcing Democrats to pass wasteful spending bills? Are they spineless or wasteful?

Of course he does. ALL Liberal do. They seem to forget that MOST Democrats backed Bush. They also like to ignore how Obama promised to close Gitmo and repeal the Patriot Act but he did not close Gitmo and actually expanded the powers of the Patriot Act.

Would we have allowed the Russians to inspect our Nuclear sites ahead of their government voting to abide by there end of the treaty.

Was the United States under International Sanctions? NO Was the United States negotiating to get into the mainstream of International Relations AGAIN They were NOT.

Was the United States acting in a position of weakness, NO!


The United States was on equal footing political power wise as the Soviet Union. That was a Treaty of Equals unlike the potential treaty with Iran.

 

[herakles]

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