Invisible Woman vs. Wolverine

[Venom.Symbiote]

Wow, all of this argument just because I wondered if Wolvie's claws could penetrate Sue's force field. I wasn't trying to put them in a fight, I would have had them have a friendly get together and have her put up a force field and ask him nicely to try to cut through it just to see if it holds. Then they'd have a nice lunch, a few friendly good-byes and he'd be on his way. He might even stick around to smoke a stogie with Ben.

 

[Zeu]

I honestly don´t see Wolverine´s claws cutting Sue´s forcefields - not if the writers know the first thing about physics, that is - which sadly is not the case 90% orf the time, it seems -.

They can cut objects but a forcefield is not made of atoms and molecules, it´s a field.
A SPACE of influence, if you´d like.

The claws or any object that enters that region if affected by this influence or force.

It´d be like cutting a magnetic field.
How do you cut a magnetic field with a claw?
Simple answer:
You don´t.

There, question answered, case closed, .

And it only took us 9 pages.

 

[RAMORE]

8 pages. and wolverine is sooooo overrated because we like him. I mean in new avengers they treat spidey like a newbie who needs to be watched when in actuality he can lift 10 tons and if he hit wolverine would pop his head like a melon.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, he threw Logan out of Stark Tower when he was pissed. His head didn't pop, he just rode up the elevator and said Pete couldn't take a joke about MJ.

 

[Zeu]

Yeah, what´s up with that?
Spider-.man has more experience in his pinky toe than half the Marvel superheroes in their whole bodies and he still acts and is treated like a newbie.

Enough with the underdog treatment already.

Thsi isn´t a 17 years old boy playing superhero, this is a man in his mid 20s married with a top model, with years of experience fighting the good fight and hundreds of wins against impossible odds.

If anything, he should be the one to talk down to Wolverine, since when are murderers allowed willy-nilly into the Avengers?

 

[Tropico]

You have to remember that the New Avengers writer is the same as the one for Ultimate Spider Man. When you factor that in it makes it prefectly clear what's happening in the way Peter gets portrayed in NA.

 

[Horrorfan]

But wolverine also ko'ed his ass in a sparring section But yeah, HELLO EVERYONE! WOLVERINE WAS PART OF SHADOW OPS! HE CAN DO STEALTH!If Sue can't see him coming, if she doesn't expect him, she's dead.End of.

 

[Harlekin]

We've been over this Horrorfan. That isn't a fight.

If Wolverine doesn't expect Sue, he's dead. End of.

Wowzors!

 

[Zeu]

Still reaching for straws?
It´s over!


How´s he gonna be stealth when there´s nowhere to hide?
Sue can make anything visible or invisible.

She made an invisible forcefield that had surrounded Manhattan visible.
Just think about it for a second.
A forcefield the size of Manhattan!
She turns her surrounding invisible and suddenly Wolverine´s letf in the open to be forcefield-lobotomised.

Enough already.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

My head hurts

 

[GNR]

Sue could own Wolvie.She filled his lungs with a forcefield stopping him from breathing,she's one tough beeitch.

 

[Horrorfan]

Still reaching for straws?
It´s over!


How´s he gonna be stealth when there´s nowhere to hide?
Sue can make anything visible or invisible.

She made an invisible forcefield that had surrounded Manhattan visible.
Just think about it for a second.
A forcefield the size of Manhattan!
She turns her surrounding invisible and suddenly Wolverine´s letf in the open to be forcefield-lobotomised.

Enough already.

No, I said wolverine would loose in a straight up fight.

But a sneak attack would end it. You can't block a punch you don't see coming.

That said, sue takes it otherwise.

That show of power seems like the writers have gone completely ******. I'm glad I don't read fantastic four. Might as well make it a dc comic if she's gotten so powerful.

 

[gildea]

But wolverine also ko'ed his ass in a sparring section But yeah, HELLO EVERYONE! WOLVERINE WAS PART OF SHADOW OPS! HE CAN DO STEALTH!If Sue can't see him coming, if she doesn't expect him, she's dead.End of.

that was actually due to the other cross over.

Recall when the doctor asked is he was having blackouts?

 

[Tropico]

No, I said wolverine would loose in a straight up fight.

But a sneak attack would end it. You can't block a punch you don't see coming.

That said, sue takes it otherwise.

As opposed to her taking him down if SHE was doing a surprise attack also?

That show of power seems like the writers have gone completely ******. I'm glad I don't read fantastic four. Might as well make it a dc comic if she's gotten so powerful.

It's not really a demonstration of power but more of control and imagination. A demonstration of power is more like what she did with a nuke. You know what Wolverine DOES beat Sue at? Writers having ****** moments so he can do the stuff he does.up:

 

[Horrorfan]

It's not really a demonstration of power but more of control and imagination. A demonstration of power is more like what she did with a nuke. You know what Wolverine DOES beat Sue at? Writers having ****** moments so he can do the stuff he does.up:

Yup cuz surrounding a city in a forcefield, being able to put bubbles in people's brains, lungs ect. is surely less ******ed than....wolverine getting punched and not knocked out (or whatever thing the wolverine haters are *****ing about today) .

He would smell her coming, and quite frankly, I wouldn't see sue as the type of person who would sneak attack someone.

 

[Harlekin]

Yup cuz surrounding a city in a forcefield, being able to put bubbles in people's brains, lungs ect. is surely less ******ed than....wolverine getting punched and not knocked out (or whatever thing the wolverine haters are *****ing about today) .

He would smell her coming, and quite frankly, I wouldn't see sue as the type of person who would sneak attack someone.

I think Trop was referring more to stuff like him surviving a nuke.

Secondly, it wouldn't matter if he smelled it, since by then he'd have a bubble in his head. You don't really see the ******edness of the argument you're making are you? Killing somebody in their sleep isn't a fight. We're expressly discussing a fight here. So what do we not do? Kill people in their sleep.

 

[Horrorfan]

OK I conceed lol.

But still, you guys make out like she could take out just about everyone, including hyperion, sentry, galactus, onslaught, etc...if shes that powerful, then thats just stupid.

 

[MajinShenron]

I honestly don´t see Wolverine´s claws cutting Sue´s forcefields - not if the writers know the first thing about physics, that is - which sadly is not the case 90% orf the time, it seems -.

They can cut objects but a forcefield is not made of atoms and molecules, it´s a field.
A SPACE of influence, if you´d like.

The claws or any object that enters that region if affected by this influence or force.

It´d be like cutting a magnetic field.
How do you cut a magnetic field with a claw?
Simple answer:
You don´t.

There, question answered, case closed, .

And it only took us 9 pages.

I love your cockyness of your answer. But I wouldn'[t say that. In the world of comics, some different physics apply, for one thing there is no such thing as a force field so you can't say its an impossibilty.

 

[gildea]

someone has already mentioned that she has trouble dealing with severe blunt impact trauma which all of those you mentioned could easily dish out.

 

[Horrorfan]

so if wolverine (or anyone really) shot at her with a machinegun she would die? or what kind of trauma? I thought she could stop anything....

 

[gildea]

severe blunt impact trauma ie a reasonably large surface area hit at sufficient power level will create some feedback to sue (ie the hulk could concievably batter down a force field of hers over time).

But a machine gun is really a blunt impact and isn't anywhere near the power level required.

 

[Zeu]

That show of power seems like the writers have gone completely ******. I'm glad I don't read fantastic four. Might as well make it a dc comic if she's gotten so powerful.

Well, you should. It still beats 99% of the Wolverine crap out there.
I think you´re having trouble understanding the concept behind the Fantastic Four, their books were never about power and who could beat who and who´s tougher and cooler than who.
Fantastic Four is about a family in extraordinary circumstances. It´s about amazement and discovery. Sure they´re surrounded by sheer wonders like the Negative Zone, Galactus, Moleman, Reed´s mind, the Watcher and all that, but deep down they´re just people trying to live a normal life. A brother, a sister, a husband, a wife, a father, a mother, an uncle, a friend, a son.
From the pathetic Invisible Girl, Sue grew to become the most powerful member of the team. She could kill anyone of her group but if that´s what you´re really looking for in a book, who´s tougher than who, who´s the main man, who´s stronger and badder, then my advice is sticking to wrestling.

OK I conceed lol.

But still, you guys make out like she could take out just about everyone, including hyperion, sentry, galactus, onslaught, etc...if shes that powerful, then thats just stupid.

Nope, Terrax blew out of her forcefield effortlessly.
Same for many others.

She is one of the most powerful humans in the MU but she still has limits.

I love your cockyness of your answer. But I wouldn'[t say that. In the world of comics, some different physics apply, for one thing there is no such thing as a force field so you can't say its an impossibilty.

Well, the cockyness stems from the sheer levels of stubborness present in this thread.
I wouldn´t go as far as saying that there is no such thing as a forcefield.
A magnetic field is a force field.
A gravitational field is a force field.
And Sue´s psionic bubles are a force field.

 

[Tropico]

Yup cuz surrounding a city in a forcefield, being able to put bubbles in people's brains, lungs ect. is surely less ******ed than....wolverine getting punched and not knocked out (or whatever thing the wolverine haters are *****ing about today) .

Look at my post again. I say Wolvie beats her at ******ed feats, not that she's excempt from them; there's a big difference. It means that she has ******ed writer moments but Wolvie's beat hers.

I still don't see ther ******edness of Sue making fields in people's interiors. It's almost more ******ed NOT to think of a such a simple, effective and low power consuming feat.

He would smell her coming,

Wolverine has been shown, canonically, to NOT always smell people coming. People have exploited the simple weakness smell has: being downwind means you can't be smelled.

and quite frankly, I wouldn't see sue as the type of person who would sneak attack someone.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The Invisible Woman? The INVISIBLE Woman NOT sneak attacking someone? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!DD

Thanks for the laugh, H-Fan; glad you saw the light. You're alright.

 

[foxx5]

and they say Wolveirne is over-exaggerated, Sue apparently is the best kept secret weapon in the whole universe. nobody could win against her.

Sue once covered wolverine's claws in little force fields and he was not able to cut them, but his constant attack on the force field did worry her because she didn't know how long she could hold them. so, Wolverine CAN get throgh her shield because she will weaken.

and I have never seen Sue to be the person to blow someone apart using her force fields, she does not seem the type..

 

[BrianWilly]

Well Wolverine doesn't seem the type to randomly try to stab a member of the Fantastic Four without very good reason or being brainwashed, so if we're going to have them fighting each other at all then I don't think it's very fair to place personal restraints on one and not on the other. Once again this is an example of Wolverine only able to win if we place major handicaps against Sue.

In the issue where Sue made the force field inside his lungs, her exact words were that he (Wolverine) attacked her family, so that makes him "fair game"; the only reason she held back was because she knew he was being mind-controlled. So yes, Sue can become the type of person to blow someone apart using her force fields, if given the right motivation. And threats against her family definitely qualify. Imagine what her reaction would be like if he wasn't mind-controlled?

I simply don't understand why so many people seem to be shocked and offended at the idea that Sue Storm is more than just a ditzy damsel in distress. I'm only a casual reader of the FF and even I know that Sue has been a major power in the Marvel universe for years now, it's not like it was some hidden easter egg trivia for the hardcores; honestly, asking if Sue Storm has immense power is like asking if the Hulk sometimes gets angry.