Invisible Woman vs. Wolverine

[MajinShenron]

One punch from The Thing, Hulk, Thor, or anyone in their strength class crushing Wolverine in one punch? It has been proven many times that is not true. I am not saying he can beat them, but I know he can withstand a few punches. Here is a few pages from his battle with The Watcher who claims he beat Thor (don't know if thats true though):

Wolverine had a hell of a hard time, but he was agile and was able to withstand several hard punches. Do I think he could beat him alone? No way, but I know he wont lose to him in a punch. Also, Hulk and Wolverine dont face eachother much, but when they do, Wolverine can hold his own for a little bit.

 

[jaydawg]

I just love how inconsistent the colors on wolverine are.

 

[DBM]

One punch from The Thing, Hulk, Thor, or anyone in their strength class crushing Wolverine in one punch? It has been proven many times that is not true. I am not saying he can beat them, but I know he can withstand a few punches. Here is a few pages from his battle with The Watcher who claims he beat Thor (don't know if thats true though):

It's the Wrecker, not the Watcher.

And Wrecker is only strong enough to beat Thor when he's at full strength. If he's power is split between the rest of the Wrecking Crew, then he's significantly less strong.

 

[MajinShenron]

The rest of the Wrecking crew? He seemed like the only one there in the comic...

 

[DBM]

The rest of the Wrecking crew? He seemed like the only one there in the comic...

I'm not going to bother explaining it. Go look them up.

 

[MajinShenron]

It was presumed his power was split, but then again, The Wrecker kept bragging about how be beat Thor. If his power was split, why would he talk about it if he didn't have the power to stand against Thor then? Thats like Venom saying he can beat Spiderman, then he loses his symbiote and Eddie Brock yelling at Spiderman saying he can beat him since he beat him before.

 

[DBM]

It was presumed his power was split, but then again, The Wrecker kept bragging about how be beat Thor. If his power was split, why would he talk about it if he didn't have the power to stand against Thor then? Thats like Venom saying he can beat Spiderman, then he loses his symbiote and Eddie Brock yelling at Spiderman saying he can beat him since he beat him before.

In case you haven't noticed, Wrecker isn't exactly all that bright. And the fact still is that he's gone up against Thor before no matter what his current strength level is.

 

[MajinShenron]

You don't have to be smart to realize if you got significantly weaker or not. And he spoke like he had the power which he possessed when fighting Thor.

 

[Zeu]

One punch from The Thing, Hulk, Thor, or anyone in their strength class crushing Wolverine in one punch? It has been proven many times that is not true. I am not saying he can beat them, but I know he can withstand a few punches. Here is a few pages from his battle with The Watcher who claims he beat Thor (don't know if thats true though):
Wolverine had a hell of a hard time, but he was agile and was able to withstand several hard punches. Do I think he could beat him alone? No way, but I know he wont lose to him in a punch. Also, Hulk and Wolverine dont face eachother much, but when they do, Wolverine can hold his own for a little bit.

This is why I hate it when writers bend reality to fit Wolverine´s jobber aura.

Last time I checked, Wolverine is only peak human.
He has a healing factor (not a regen factor) and adamantium skeleton.
Aside from that, his skin is as soft and frail as yours and mine.
Have you ever watched a car crash?
Have you ever had the oportunity to see how frail the human flesh is?

When one of these class 100 bricks connects one punch to his jaw, that single punch should be able to LIQUIFY the brain matter in his skull.
Makes no difference if he has an adamantium skull or not, it´s the same as a guy with a helmet suffering a G20 desacceleration.

His brain should ooze like juice coming out of his ears and nostrils at the first class 100 punch to his head.
Plain and simple.

But I guess realism goes out the window when we´re talking about Wolverine......

 

[ElectroFlare]

You don't have to be smart to realize if you got significantly weaker or not. And he spoke like he had the power which he possessed when fighting Thor.

No one says he was being honest.

He could just be scared of those fighting him and trying to intimidate them with that fact.

Keep in mind I haven't read the comic in question, or much of the Wrecker(sp?) in general.

 

[Vanguard07]

Wrecker's not really in Thor's weightclass to me. He has fought thor yes and ONE time he even had a good showing. But generally he's closer to the Thing. Imagine The Thing with a crowbar and you're pretty close.

 

[ElectroFlare]

Wrecker's not really in Thor's weightclass to me. He has fought thor yes and ONE time he even had a good showing. But generally he's closer to the Thing. Imagine The Thing with a crowbar and you're pretty close.

Again...

No one says he was being honest.

He could just be scared of those fighting him and trying to intimidate them with that fact.

Keep in mind I haven't read the comic in question, or much of the Wrecker(sp?) in general.

 

[FrankCastle6]

I think it's been established he also can't pierce Reed Richards

yeaps that is correct...it is funny to see when he tries to though....*stretch*

 

[Horrorfan]

This is why I hate it when writers bend reality to fit Wolverine´s jobber aura.
how frail the human flesh is?

But I guess realism goes out the window when we´re talking about Wolverine......

I hate it when forum posters call it 'bad writing' when someone posts evidence that totally owns their feeble points

I guess realism goes out the window in comics where the god of thunder walks around, a guy gets super powers from being hit with a ****load of radiation and that a large guy in a purple hat eats planets.

 

[Harlekin]

There are still some aspects of realism that comics need to adhere too, Horrorfan.

 

[Horrorfan]

There are still some aspects of realism that comics need to adhere too, Horrorfan.

Perhaps, but you are talking about a guy who has been to outerspace and hung out with all types of aliens....so in a way, yes, but it should not be held back by that. Like I said, if you wanted realism in comics, Thor would cream most villans in 2 panels, and that would be that. The Sentry would be the only hero who need bother to come into work, and Punisher would be sixty. You have to make allowances for this stuff, its common sense, and I just think he is just a wolverine hater who convienently ignores that people think Batman could beat Superman (and just about anyone else ever) and things far more rediculous than a guy with a healing factor taking a hard punch.

 

[UK_Stu]

I hate it when forum posters call it 'bad writing' when someone posts evidence that totally owns their feeble points

I guess realism goes out the window in comics where the god of thunder walks around, a guy gets super powers from being hit with a ****load of radiation and that a large guy in a purple hat eats planets.

Its not to do with the realism in comics, no one is suggesting comics are realistic. Its to do with writer's being consistent and writing particular characters relative to others. i.e. respecting that someone in the strength class of Thing, Hulk, Thor etc, could turn wolverine to pulp with a few punches.

 

[Harlekin]

Perhaps, but you are talking about a guy who has been to outerspace and hung out with all types of aliens....so in a way, yes, but it should not be held back by that. Like I said, if you wanted realism in comics, Thor would cream most villans in 2 panels, and that would be that. The Sentry would be the only hero who need bother to come into work, and Punisher would be sixty. You have to make allowances for this stuff, its common sense, and I just think he is just a wolverine hater who convienently ignores that people think Batman could beat Superman (and just about anyone else ever) and things far more rediculous than a guy with a healing factor taking a hard punch.

It's not the elements of the story itself that matter, but as UK Stu pointed out, the consistency of the character and using logic and realism to ascertain their boundaries.

 

[Horrorfan]

Its not to do with the realism in comics, no one is suggesting comics are realistic. Its to do with writer's being consistent and writing particular characters relative to others. i.e. respecting that someone in the strength class of Thing, Hulk, Thor etc, could turn wolverine to pulp with a few punches.

But they haven't. Hell Wolvie has schooled Thing and stands toe to toe with hulk. To say it's bad writing is lazy. You can disregard anything by saying that. Its like me saying sue being so powerful now is just 'lazy'. she shouldnt be so powerful. It's completely irrelevant since we aren't the ones writing the comic. You can't just pick and choose what to believe, no matter how stupid some stuff is (ie wolvie surviving a nuke was pretty dumb). It would be incosistant to suddenly have thing or hulk pound him to pulp after years of even battles, if anything.

 

[Harlekin]

But they haven't. Hell Wolvie has schooled Thing and stands toe to toe with hulk. To say it's bad writing is lazy. You can disregard anything by saying that. Its like me saying sue being so powerful now is just 'lazy'. she shouldnt be so powerful. It's completely irrelevant since we aren't the ones writing the comic. You can't just pick and choose what to believe, no matter how stupid some stuff is (ie wolvie surviving a nuke was pretty dumb). It would be incosistant to suddenly have thing or hulk pound him to pulp after years of even battles, if anything.

This I will agree with. To have the Hulk suddenly pounding Wolverine into a pancake would be the example of not being consistant. However, other stuff is not consistant, such as Logan actually needing to heal after beatdowns, and not heal his arm one panel after its skin has been burned off. The consistancy has been fluctuating madly with Wolverine and it's time they fixed it.

Also, your Sue analogy doesn't fit. Yes, she got a power upgrade, but they actually did it that way. They gave her an upgrade. There's never been an explanation for the sudden growth of irrealism that has overtaken Wolverine's powers.

 

[Zeu]

But they haven't. Hell Wolvie has schooled Thing and stands toe to toe with hulk. To say it's bad writing is lazy. You can disregard anything by saying that. Its like me saying sue being so powerful now is just 'lazy'. she shouldnt be so powerful. It's completely irrelevant since we aren't the ones writing the comic. You can't just pick and choose what to believe, no matter how stupid some stuff is (ie wolvie surviving a nuke was pretty dumb). It would be incosistant to suddenly have thing or hulk pound him to pulp after years of even battles, if anything.

But it IS bad writting any way you pick it.
No matter if the writers (who clearly were never introduced to concepts like physics and biology) chose to ignore it for years, it doesn´t stop being a mistake, not any different from Hulk lifting a plane without ripping the fuselage or the sheer weight making him sink in the tarmac.


A class 100 brick can level mountains with a casual punch.
Do you have ANY idea of what a casual punch from a class 100 brick would do to soft human tissue (i.e. Wolverine)?
Regardless of his adamantium skeleton which would be the only thing left standing.

Here´s an experiment for you:
Take the most physically fit person on the planet and you put him inside an adamantium box to protect him from harm.
Now drop that box from a plane.


THAT´s what would happen to Wolverine when hit by a class 100 punch.

 

[Horrorfan]

But it IS bad writting any way you pick it.
No matter if the writers (who clearly were never introduced to concepts like physics and biology) chose to ignore it for years, it doesn´t stop being a mistake, not any different from Hulk lifting a plane without ripping the fuselage or the sheer weight making him sink in the tarmac.


A class 100 brick can level mountains with a casual punch.
Do you have ANY idea of what a casual punch from a class 100 brick would do to soft human tissue (i.e. Wolverine)?
Regardless of his adamantium skeleton which would be the only thing left standing.

Here´s an experiment for you:
Take the most physically fit person on the planet and you put him inside an adamantium box to protect him from harm.
Now drop that box from a plane.


THAT´s what would happen to Wolverine when hit by a class 100 punch.

Take a geeky scientest guy and drop a nuclear bomb on him.


THAT'S what would happen to Bruce Banner when hit by a bomb.

You choose to ignore realism in some cases yet when it comes to wolverine you point it out. Funny that isn't it? It can easily be explained too. It's a comic. I challenge you to write a character for DECADES and not have any flunctuation. Basic literary knowledge says its impossible. You would trip over yourself and find yourself boxed into corners.

Why don't you write marvel and say 'hey you are all bad writers and know nothings, let me write wolverine?'. Because clearly they all know nothing and can't write a smidgen.

 

[Harlekin]

You have a point Horrorfan but you constantly trip yourself up in the varying levels of realism. Bruce Banner becoming the Hulk is not on the same level as the Thing not curbstomping Wolverine. We make allowances/suspend disbelief when it comes to the creation of superheroes, but from then on, a certain realism is expected alongside the character's stated level. There is a difference between the two.

 

[Horrorfan]

You have a point Horrorfan but you constantly trip yourself up in the varying levels of realism. Bruce Banner becoming the Hulk is not on the same level as the Thing not curbstomping Wolverine. We make allowances/suspend disbelief when it comes to the creation of superheroes, but from then on, a certain realism is expected alongside the character's stated level. There is a difference between the two.

I don't expect realism though. Common sense? Yes. Realisim? I don't think so. Not in a comic. If I want that, I'll watch a documentary.


Let's put this in perspective....you have more of a problem with a guy getting punched hard and getting up than a guy getting a glorified a bomb dropped on him. Just think about that for a miniute.

While I do take your point on board, you can't accept something as ludicrous as that and complain about something that might be ludicrous but not to that insane extent.

 

[Zeu]

The nuclear bomb that transformed Bruce into the Hulk was not ANY nuclear bomb, it was a unique gamma bomb developped by Bruce Banner.

In comics, gamma radiation has been associated with various degrees of mutation, so there is a slim chance IN COMICS that a being exposed to them won´t die but be mutated into something else.

A human being in comics is, for all intents and puroposes, AS frail as a real human being in our world.

A human being in our real world doesn´t need a punch from a class 100 brick to turn into liquid. If you´ve seen a car crash you know how frail humans are.

Same applies to comic humans.
A class 100 brick who can drag islands and lift buildings would annihilate a regular human with a blow, adamantium skeleton or not.
It´s not fanboyism or a desperate attempt to introduce realism in a medium poipulated by fantasy.
It´s mere consistency.
Common sense.
The right proportion of realism to the right type of comic.
Modesty Blaise and 007 would instantly die if they felt from a 88 stories building.
Daffy Duck, however, can expect to survive falling from the same height.
Different levels of realism.

Bugs can expect to survive being punched by the Juggernaut.
Wolverine shouldn´t.
Not if he is a peak human.
you want to make him a class 30, put him in the same league of Spider Man in terms of human resilience, then yes, THEN I am willing to accept him surviving those encounters.

Spiderman is not a regular human. Bullets can kill him but when we have a being able to lift buses, then no, his organs, muscles and tissue are far from being identical to ours. I can believe that Spiderman would survive being hit by the Hulk.
It stretches my suspension f disbelief to its very brink but sure, I´ll swallow it.

Wolverine?
No.
His chances of surviving a punch from the Hulk are the same as Ororo´s, Captain America, Mary Jane Watson, Moonknight or me and you:

Zilch.