Is anybody else TOTALLY confused? (SPOILERS!)

[dnno1]

I think the main key to geting it is that you have to care. If you don't, you probably won't go to see the film on your own anyway unless sombody drags you there to see it.

 

[SodaPop]

I was thinking about the plot and it occured to me that this is strikingly similar to Justice League Heroes. It revolves around the Red Eye and omac robots. Sure JLA:H had Darksied and some aliens, but it does seem somewhat familiar IMO. Any thoughts on this?

 

[moguy]

Just the other day she asked me if Jim Carey escaped from Arkham Asylum when Ra's blew up Arkham and if he's going to be in the The Dark Knight.

lol, priceless.

That kind of thinking is much more common than many on this board will admit.

 

[The Guard]

Ok, so your friends are ignorant. So a lot of people are ignorant. They're going to be confused and ignorant of certain things, period.

That doesn't change the fact that these concepts, once someone actually thinks about them and reasons them out, are not difficult to understand.

 

[Heretic]

Ok, so your friends are ignorant. So a lot of people are ignorant. They're going to be confused and ignorant of certain things, period.

That doesn't change the fact that these concepts, once someone actually thinks about them and reasons them out, are not difficult to understand.

Correct. There's nothing terribly confusing about alternate universes (meaning Elseworlds type stories...I HATE stuff like Exiles and all that and a milion alternate futures...I prefer one universe and one timeline). The fact that people are kind of stupid wont be changing anytime soon though

 

[Vaibow]

Correct. There's nothing terribly confusing about alternate universes (meaning Elseworlds type stories...I HATE stuff like Exiles and all that and a milion alternate futures...I prefer one universe and one timeline). The fact that people are kind of stupid wont be changing anytime soon though

I think it's ignorant that people on here expect the majority to understand the diferent universes. At the end of the day, comic book fans alone cannot make a film a hit, it needs general audiences.
Not everyone realises that because Batman Begins is a reboot, many of the things that were told in previous incarnations shan't happen in this movie. Or that the Clark we saw in Smallville is not in the same universe as Returns, as far as they are concerned, there is only one universe and the TV series is explaining the begining, Returns is a movie set in the not too distant future.

The general audience who saw Returns, i feel they viewed it as in the same universe as Reeve, not because they are avid comic fans or waste hours on these boards *****ing about the suit colour, but because the theme tune is the same, the style is similar and the use of Marlon Brando.

Ok, you can argue that Begins is obvious it's in a diferent universe as it retells the story and is diferent to Batman 89, but because so much ground was covered with the bat nipple era - riddler, joker, penguin, catwoman, bane and poison ivy, general audiences aren't aware that the story shall be retold, but in a diferent way, they're all expecting it to follow like the old movies, i mean, when i heard joker was in TDK, images i instantly got was of Nicholson.

Point is.. just let people think what they like, don't try and argue with them, we're all entitled to opinions. When they see the movie, they'll be sucked into it and at the end, they'll either like it, or loathe it.

It's the big wigs at head office who will lose sleep if its a flop

Btw, this post is not aimed at anyone in particular.

 

[Sun_Down]

I got pwned beause he isnt aware that people are too stupid to realize that Batman Begins and Batman are in different universes?

Allow me to explain the pwning process...I...meaning ME...HERETIC...says something so stupid that I end up eating crow when someone posts a funny reply.

This has nothing to do with what I say. It's what the GENERAL PUBLIC is saying. The same people who think the general public wont be confused thinks that the general public isnt confused by the Ultimate Universe. The general public doesnt read comics!! I will go out on a limb here and say that I probably talk to more people on any given day than you do (I work in publicity and public relations...talking to people all day is my job). I wear a Batman belt buckle (which is SWEET looking btw) so Batman OFTEN comes up in conversations with the general public. Since I live in a tourist destination, these are random idiots from all over the country. These idiots DO think that the Nolanverse and the Burtonverse are one and the same. Now...I wont vouch for the Mensa membership of these tools, but the fact remains...I OFTEN enounter people who aren't aware of the difference.

Are they complete fools? Yes. Will they be confused? Yes
That is the way of the general public...which is why it's always tricky when us nerds invite them into our world.

People are stupid, there's no question about that. But here's the thing : people (I'm talking about non-comic fans) don't think/talk/read about these movies enough to even consider things like continuity. They may very well think that Nolan's and Burton's films are in the same continuity, but who the hell cares? They still watch the movie, they still like it and only us geeks have to worry about continuity.

And, to be honest, I think you're greatly underestimating how stupid people are. I believe the average American moviegoer is dumb enough to think that BB was a prequel to B89 and still not notice the continuity errors. Most people, who just go see a movie once and move on with their lives, can think that these films are in continuity and won't notice the details that contradict continuity.

 

[The Guard]

I think it's ignorant that people on here expect the majority to understand the diferent universes.

If Trekkies can understand how all the different versions of STAR TREK fit together, than the average person can understand where a couple superhero movies fall continuitywise when they bother to think about it and reason things out.

Not everyone realises that because Batman Begins is a reboot, many of the things that were told in previous incarnations shan't happen in this movie. Or that the Clark we saw in Smallville is not in the same universe as Returns, as far as they are concerned, there is only one universe and the TV series is explaining the begining, Returns is a movie set in the not too distant future.

Then why upset their balance? If they don't care enough to look any deeper into the mythologies, let them not care.

The general audience who saw Returns, i feel they viewed it as in the same universe as Reeve, not because they are avid comic fans or waste hours on these boards *****ing about the suit colour, but because the theme tune is the same, the style is similar and the use of Marlon Brando.

And that was Singer's goal and his purpose in using the theme and Brando, so...

Ok, you can argue that Begins is obvious it's in a diferent universe as it retells the story and is diferent to Batman 89, but because so much ground was covered with the bat nipple era - riddler, joker, penguin, catwoman, bane and poison ivy, general audiences aren't aware that the story shall be retold, but in a diferent way, they're all expecting it to follow like the old movies, i mean, when i heard joker was in TDK, images i instantly got was of Nicholson.

So did everyone. But not because we thought THE DARK KNIGHT would be a sequel, but because Nicholson's portrayal/performance was iconic.

Btw, this post is not aimed at anyone in particular.
People are stupid, there's no question about that. But here's the thing : people (I'm talking about non-comic fans) don't think/talk/read about these movies enough to even consider things like continuity.

Exactly.

They may very well think that Nolan's and Burton's films are in the same continuity, but who the hell cares? They still watch the movie, they still like it and only us geeks have to worry about continuity.

Exactly. Most people simply do not care.

And, to be honest, I think you're greatly underestimating how stupid people are.

Not at all, but in this case, it's not so much stupidity as it is ignorant. People don't study these movies like many of us have. They won't remember key aspects of them, let alone be able to compare them intelligently.

I believe the average American moviegoer is dumb enough to think that BB was a prequel to B89 and still not notice the continuity errors.

That's just it, the average person doesn't care or won't even remember the basic details of the movie. You think they can tell you Batman and Gordon's relationship in BATMAN and tell you why BEGINS is clearly a restart because of the portrayal of Batman/Gordon in it compared to BATMAN? You think they even CARE about Batman and Gordons relationship in either film?

Most people, who just go see a movie once and move on with their lives, can think that these films are in continuity and won't notice the details that contradict continuity.

Here's the thing. The average person who remembers BATMAN doesn't remember BATMAN. They remember that once upon a time, they saw a movie called BATMAN, and they remember maybe three major elements of it (The Joker, rubber suit, some blonde chick, and The Joker having killed Batman's parents). Therefore, every time they compare films, they're comparing about three elements. Ask the average moviegoer if they liked the character Knox in BATMAN and you'll get a blank expression.

 

[Heretic]

I am totally picking up what you guys are putting down.....

 

[dnno1]

I'm not confused.