BvS Is BvS setting up Bruce Wayne to be the bridge between all DC superhero films?

[BatmanVSuperman]

How could anyone not notice that Tra-el was being sarcastic? If he laid it on any thicker, I'd think it was grandma's chunky mashed potatoes

 

[Tra-El]

How could anyone not notice that Tra-el was being sarcastic? If he laid it on any thicker, I'd think it was grandma's chunky mashed potatoes

The fact that people didn't pick up on it has me worried for our next drought. Sometimes, I need to entertain myself judging by how many spins of the merry-go-round is on. Fortunately, SDCC is right around the corner.

 

[Tra-El]

Well, Miller's Batman is most definitely not.

Morrison's, for example, is. Actually, I'd call his Batman "super sane", given that all the meditation techniques he practiced and mastered made him experience his true self and raise his self-awareness.

There's no denying Batman's intelligence to hone and conquer every single resource and master every brain exercise that exists on the planet as beyond genius. Still, I don't view Batman as a sane entity whatsoever.

 

[Spock]

The fact that people didn't pick up on it has me worried for our next drought. Sometimes, I need to entertain myself judging by how many spins of the merry-go-round is on. Fortunately, SDCC is right around the corner.

You are right sir. A most logical assessment.

 

[KillerWolf]

There's no denying Batman's intelligence to hone and conquer every single resource and master every brain exercise that exists on the planet as beyond genius. Still, I don't view Batman as a sane entity whatsoever.

It's not his ability to conquer and master certain skills what I was talking about, but the result that happens from mastering such a high-leveled meditation techniques - one cannot achieve those stadiums and remain neurotic. Simply put, it cleanses the mind.

This is what I was referring to:

"This was a master of martial arts, meditation, deduction, yoga and big business. This was a man who had tamed and mastered his demons and turned personal tragedy into a relentless humanitarian crusade. Taking that man seriously meant I had to throw out a few of the accepted ideas about Batman as a semi-unhinged, essentially humorless loner struggling with rage and guilt."

And this:

"I was kind of used to the savage vigilante, but when I really began to think of it, someone who had gone through this life process to be Batman would have much more psychological depth. A man who is that advanced in meditation and martial arts and yoga is not going to be a one-note vigilante crime fighter. There are a lot more spiritual aspects and weird aspects to Bruce Wayne’s personality that have not been explored a lot."

Grant Morrison

His version was very far from Miller's and post Miller's versions of the character that portray him as traumatized, rage-driven character with few loose screws in his head. Miller's noirish one seems to be more popular, though.

 

[queendarkness12]

I think this movie is going to set up Batman to be more of the detective and the strategist in this new DCCU.

 

[PerryYellow]

I think DC/WB are embarrassed of Superman. Siegel and Shuster would be turning in their graves to find out what Superman has become. Sure Man of Steel was the first film of a movie franchise nobody ever thought would happen and sure this movie franchise's Batman is being introduced in the followup to Superman's movie, Man of Steel, but nevermind that anyhow. Not only will Henry Cavill be recast as Superman probably in the middle of Batman V Superman, but BatGod is going to wipe out the most embarrassing thing to ever happen to the comic book industry. I think Ben Affleck came onboard to specifically take credit for being the one responsible for Superman's last nail in the coffin. Will Superman appear again? Maybe, but probably only as a love interest from here on out. He's way too embarrassing anymore to be apart of the two most iconic pop culture hero's ever to share the screen. The title should be called Batman & Batman: Dawn of Justice IMHO.

Are you by any chance Kurosawa on CBR forums? Cause he's the same conspiracy theorist with the same ideas about DC hating Superman like you. Btw, do you consider the loss of pants as the saddest thing that ever happened in your lifetime?

 

[PerryYellow]

It's not his ability to conquer and master certain skills what I was talking about, but the result that happens from mastering such a high-leveled meditation techniques - one cannot achieve those stadiums and remain neurotic. Simply put, it cleanses the mind.

This is what I was referring to:

"This was a master of martial arts, meditation, deduction, yoga and big business. This was a man who had tamed and mastered his demons and turned personal tragedy into a relentless humanitarian crusade. Taking that man seriously meant I had to throw out a few of the accepted ideas about Batman as a semi-unhinged, essentially humorless loner struggling with rage and guilt."

And this:

"I was kind of used to the savage vigilante, but when I really began to think of it, someone who had gone through this life process to be Batman would have much more psychological depth. A man who is that advanced in meditation and martial arts and yoga is not going to be a one-note vigilante crime fighter. There are a lot more spiritual aspects and weird aspects to Bruce Wayne’s personality that have not been explored a lot."

Grant Morrison

His version was very far from Miller's and post Miller's versions of the character that portray him as traumatized, rage-driven character with few loose screws in his head. Miller's noirish one seems to be more popular, though.

Because grim + dark + violent = popular by kids and casuals.

 

[BatFan1979]

Are you by any chance Kurosawa on CBR forums? Cause he's the same conspiracy theorist with the same ideas about DC hating Superman like you. Btw, do you consider the loss of pants as the saddest thing that ever happened in your lifetime?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

He is basically Nick Fury.

The Flash sees the foreboding silhouette of the Batman.

Flash: Who is there?

Bats: You think you are the only Superhero in the world?

Flash: What do you want?

Bats: I'm here to intimidate you into joining the Justice League initiative.

Flash: What are you?

Bats: I'm Batman.

Flash is in awe and terror. But after gathering his wit, the Flash looks to the front, Batman is nowhere to be seen; he then looks right, he looks to the left, Batman is gone.

 

[Tra-El]

Are you by any chance Kurosawa on CBR forums? Cause he's the same conspiracy theorist with the same ideas about DC hating Superman like you. Btw, do you consider the loss of pants as the saddest thing that ever happened in your lifetime?

Kurosawa is my lord. I report to him and only him, but no speak of thy name in vein. The mighty Superman clan prefer a Superman with pants, yes, but it is the lack of red trunks that is the travesty of all travesty's. If Seigel and Shuster would have known, some 77 years ago cira 1938, that the lack of red trunks would have been in their creation's destiny, then they wouldn't have created The Super Man to begin with. The "thing" we have today is simply.... a mockery.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Because grim + dark + violent = popular by kids and casuals.

Grant Morrison's Batman run has had some grimness, darkness and violence as well. His Batman is just more psychologically and intellectually complex than Miller's.

 

[KillerWolf]

Grant Morrison's Batman run has had some grimness, darkness and violence as well. His Batman is just more psychologically and intellectually complex than Miller's.

Yeah, this. That's what Batman and his universe are supposed to be after all.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

That's what Batman and his universe are supposed to be after all.

Precisely. I like the action aspect of Miller's Batman. I enjoy his roughness and cockiness haha. If I could get that batman with Morrison's intellectual and psychological complex and sane enough Batman, that is my perfect Batman and Morrison's Batman isn't really far from that. I know rage will be a big factor for BvS's Batman and I hope it's at least controlled and not a huge factor of the character. And I hope he later evolves and acquires a second or new motivation besides rage that drives him to be who he is.

 

[KillerWolf]

Precisely. I like the action aspect of Miller's Batman. I enjoy his roughness and cockiness haha. If I could get that batman with Morrison's intellectual and psychological complex and sane enough Batman, that is my perfect Batman and Morrison's Batman isn't really far from that. I know rage will be a big factor for BvS's Batman and I hope it's at least controlled and not a huge factor of the character. And I hope he later evolves and acquires a second or new motivation besides rage that drives him to be who he is.

Oh, definitely. I agree 100% with you on this.

Mixture of Miller's arrogant, rough, kind of a jerk Batman with Morrison's clear-headed, in-control master tactitian one would be perfect.

I think it's safe to assume that Snyder will go much more toward Miller's version, but as you said, he could evolve to a bit more Morrison's one, especially since, from what we know so far, his character arc seems to go in that sort of direction, with him at first being in a dark place and eventually joining Justice League. I really hope we'll get to actually see that transition toward Morrison's version in the films.

 

[Sharkboy]

Is he basically going to be the DC movieverse RDJ ambassador role? Also shouldn't that be Superman's role? It seems like Cavill is being passed up for Affleck to carry this torch around. I'm not sure this is the way to go, but I do understand the status that Affleck carries as a bigger star an established professional in hollywood.

Yes. That would be the safe bet. Let's not beat around the bush here...even if one of the JL makes a winter soldier type showing in one of their solo movies and immediately gets a new fresh level of interest and fandom, Batman is currently the most popular DC hero to todays moviegoing audience, his movies have made the most and Affleck is by far the most recognisible movie star in the justice league. You know they'll want Affleck to be in as many of these movies as possible in order to legitimize them.

 

[Citadel30]

Oh man this thread has me dying laughing!!! Best thread we've had going in a while.

 

[Boom]

Anyone care to point out some Morrison Batman arcs worth reading? Excluding A Serious House, of course. Got that one covered.

 

[The Sage]

Really liked Batman & Son, and the initial run of Batman & Robin.

 

[KillerWolf]

Anyone care to point out some Morrison Batman arcs worth reading? Excluding A Serious House, of course. Got that one covered.

"Batman - Gothic" is a very nice supernatural and a bit unsettling older Batman story.

"Batman - R.I.P." is a bigger (especially if you include its prequels "Batman and Son" and "Black Glove", which I think you should - "Black Glove" especially), quite bizarre arc and the story is kind of hard to follow, but I find it to be great. It's one of my favorite Batman stories.

And I've never read "The Return of Bruce Wayne" in its entirety, but I hear it is good. Though probably the strangest Batman arc Morrison has ever done.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Really liked Batman & Son, and the initial run of Batman & Robin.

And I'm not a huge fan of Damien but I'd recommend his Batman & Robin run. It was a good read

"Batman - Gothic" is a very nice supernatural and a bit unsettling older Batman story.

"Batman - R.I.P." is a bigger (especially if you include its prequels "Batman and Son" and "Black Glove", which I think you should - "Black Glove" especially), quite bizarre arc and the story is kind of hard to follow, but I find it to be great. It's one of my favorite Batman stories.

And I've never read "The Return of Bruce Wayne" in its entirety, but I hear it is good. Though probably the strangest Batman arc Morrison has ever done.

Yup. It's classic Morrison. Love it.

 

[KillerWolf]

Hmm, I should probably change "probably" into "definitely", or definitely put "definitely" in place of "probably".

....? I feel kinda dizzy now....

Anyway, I should get to it already and read an entire arc.

 

[matt47]

Seriously, I hope this is what he looks like in the batmobile.

 

[Gu3ree]

In the Justice League animated series, for the most part, I didn't feel that Batman was front and center of the series. Superman seemed to be at least for me. Batman took a special role. He was the smart one, often hand to take care of things in his own hands. I didn't mind that. He had his moments as well as Superman. In JLU season 1, the story was about Superman.

By the end of the show, it led to Superman always. Darkseid and Luthor, both foes of Superman, the most powerful and dangerous, not to mention the best villians. No Batman centric villians.

And it WAS SUPERMAN'S battle. The fate of the entire planet was in his hands. And Superman had his greatest moment in the series finale, he kicked Darkaeids ass. He showed him his true power.

But...don't know if that's the case with the DC cinematic universe. Even though Batman didn't get to start on his own and debuts in this film, but Superman was the first one to debut, still who knows what they plan for Batman.

I don't trust Snyder at the moment as to whether Superman is his favorite or Batman. Superman can be done right. He deserves to be the bridge between all DC films. There's a good chance he will. Sure Batman can have his moments.

But they better not...they better not end the final shot of the trinity running together with Batman in the center, nor in the posters. Superman is the leader. It's important to show that he's the boss of the Justice League. They better establish that.

There's no excuse for putting Batman in the front. That is a preferental choice/decision made by the director (probably). Superman goes in the center respectably because he was the 1st, he's the leader and he's the ultimate hero.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

re: morrison, batman r.i.p. is my favorite section of his run, but the whole thing is glorious imho. the guy is a master story teller.

batman and son
the black glove
batman rip
batman and robin (3 trades)
return of bruce wayne
batman inc. (also 3 trades i believe if not 4)

final crisis also ties heavily into it, but 'time and the batman' covers batman's section of the story.