Sequels Is Fox killing the X-Men

[GuestStar2004]

FOX are technically only just getting started with New mutants and X-FORCE on the way.

Although chances are these films won't all be set present day, infact i honestly think the logan future setting isn't just gonna be a one and done deal either as it seems like there is far to much world building in it for it not to be.

 

[NotNickFury]

X-Men: Days of Future Past and Deadpool are two of the best comic book adaptations of the decade, and Logan looks great, so I'm very happy with 20th Century Fox's output, and am glad that there are still movies which aren't subjected to the Marvel Studios treatment, and are filmmaker-driven instead.
And this situation with the merch and comics is in no way the studio's fault, but Marvel's (as an editor).

Although if Kinberg is directing the next main series X-Men film in addition to writing it, which I hope isn't the case, the filmmaker-driven approach could be a problem as far as he's concerned.

 

[-JKR-]

In cinema a filmmaker-driven approach is never a problem. The trick is hiring good filmmakers.
The movies which are driven by a director's instinct and vision are those which will stand the test of time, trust me.

 

[BMM]

I don't know about Fox, but Marvel's been doing a pretty good job of it lately.

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-Force and Deadpool 2 and 3 have to flop before Fox would sell it.

They won't even sell FF and that franchise is in the dumps.

You hit it on the head.

I seriously doudt fox does anything with FF.it will revert in 2022.the reason marvel signed off on legion and other show may be both money and to get
fox in good mood to try to get FF prior to 2022.

once again fox is not in sorry shape sony is in.that is why they went on hands and knees to disney.

Fox can easily reboot X-men themselves.which if next X-Men film and new mutants aren't seen as success they may do after deadpool:X-force

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-Men: Days of Future Past and Deadpool are two of the best comic book adaptations of the decade, and Logan looks great, so I'm very happy with 20th Century Fox's output, and am glad that there are still movies which aren't subjected to the Marvel Studios treatment, and are filmmaker-driven instead.
And this situation with the merch and comics is in no way the studio's fault, but Marvel's (as an editor).

difference between X_Men related films and the others made by MCU is at marvel they are like a tv show with feige as showrunner.over at fox they are
much more depend on director with kinberg as closest thing to overseer they have.Even as one who liked apocalypse i cana dmit singer somewhat dropped ball after DOFP.Kinberg as somewhat overseer and writer of main films is
part of problem.although when singer was on the ball with DOFP they were able to work with kinberg's script.

fact tim miller was even hired on deadpool says the difference.he never directed anything before.Josh Boone clearly has passion for new mutants.James mangold is doing something different with logan.although i may be biased since i liked the wolverine.even 3rd act of film didn't bother me as much as others.

 

[def28]

Ryan Reynolds brought on Tim Miller and Fox didn't green light the film for like 6 years. They were calling the studio over and over to try and make it happen. These guys had to use their own money in numerous scenarios, even when it was greenlit. Fox studios just doesn't know this stuff, and needs somebody who does in an overseer position. The version of Doctor Doom in Fant4stic should have never even been allowed to get studio approval, especially after F4 and F42. Kinberg had a big hand in helping get Deadpool made as a producer, but the studio itself just didn't understand the character, and Kinberg himself makes some poor creative choices. Ultimately without Reynolds actively pursuing the property, not giving up even after they had said no it just wouldn't have happened. The confidence or knowledge in properties/characters isn't there like Marvel. That's an issue.

Now both of these studios have gone through issues rather it's the Director switch up in Ant-Man, the issues on Thor 2, the Director switch up in Deadpool 2, the problems with Gambit or the mess that was Fant4stic. **** happens and will continue too. But these are all serials and won't stop. Doesn't it make sense that Fox gets a grasp on this asap so they are confident where the money is going? If they can't then where will that lead them?

If Fox want's a big list of X-Men IP's they have no choice but to start working together a little bit more and realizing a few things about their characters that we have not seen represented on the screen. I'm not saying these films need to be or replicate Marvel studio films, they clearly need to stand out and have their own identity. But they need someone like Feige one way or the other to oversee and know what they are doing. Things are gonna get complicated soon.

 

[Stan Lee]

I don't know about Fox, but Marvel's been doing a pretty good job of it lately.

They are loosening their grip a little bit with the merchandise lately.

 

[X-Maniac]

If we take the original poster's question literally, then yes, lol... with regards to Banshee, Emma Frost, Havok, etc.

I didn't like the way any of those three were written out.

 

[Black_Superman]

Nah, after Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney I don't think they won't sell the X-Men right back to Marvel. Fox lost Star Wars so now the X-Men series is there bread and butter. As for the comic book we don't see any other Marvel characters crossover to X-Men comic books. BTW why can't Marvel file a lawsuit against Fox because Marvel owns those character btw not Fox. Since after Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney Fox have been going downhill with there other movies not just X-Men. The Planet of the Apes and Aliens movies are the only movies that are doing good beside the X-Men. Fox still has there TV shows like the Simpson, Empire, and Gotham. They own Fox News which is a they racist network, and Fox Sports with the NFL (The Dallas Cowboys Network), MLB, NASCAR, UFC and some CFB. I also Fox was rumor that they were trying to get a TV deal with the NBA before ESPN/ABC (Disney) and back in the late 90's they also had a deal with the WWE to bring Smackdown to the Fox on Thursday night before there TV deal with UPN

 

[Sithborg]

Marvel can't sue because they legally sold the live action rights to Fox. You can't just back out of a contract like that. Which is why Marvel didn't immediately get to start making Star Wars comics after the sale.

 

[Zant]

You guys are feeding the troll.

 

[-JKR-]

Ryan Reynolds brought on Tim Miller and Fox didn't green light the film for like 6 years. They were calling the studio over and over to try and make it happen. These guys had to use their own money in numerous scenarios, even when it was greenlit. Fox studios just doesn't know this stuff, and needs somebody who does in an overseer position. The version of Doctor Doom in Fant4stic should have never even been allowed to get studio approval, especially after F4 and F42. Kinberg had a big hand in helping get Deadpool made as a producer, but the studio itself just didn't understand the character, and Kinberg himself makes some poor creative choices. Ultimately without Reynolds actively pursuing the property, not giving up even after they had said no it just wouldn't have happened. The confidence or knowledge in properties/characters isn't there like Marvel. That's an issue.

Now both of these studios have gone through issues rather it's the Director switch up in Ant-Man, the issues on Thor 2, the Director switch up in Deadpool 2, the problems with Gambit or the mess that was Fant4stic. **** happens and will continue too. But these are all serials and won't stop. Doesn't it make sense that Fox gets a grasp on this asap so they are confident where the money is going? If they can't then where will that lead them?

If Fox want's a big list of X-Men IP's they have no choice but to start working together a little bit more and realizing a few things about their characters that we have not seen represented on the screen. I'm not saying these films need to be or replicate Marvel studio films, they clearly need to stand out and have their own identity. But they need someone like Feige one way or the other to oversee and know what they are doing. Things are gonna get complicated soon.

No, not every studio or comic book adaptation needs a Kevin Feige.
I like that the X-Men movies and spin-offs work more as stand-alone movies. Not every franchise needs to take the overly-serialized approach Marvel Studios has.

 

[Frankeh]

No, not every studio or comic book adaptation needs a Kevin Feige.
I like that the X-Men movies and spin-offs work more as stand-alone movies. Not every franchise needs to take the overly-serialized approach Marvel Studios has.

I beg to differ. When you have a franchise with a continuity which is continously collapsing like X-Men, you kind of do need someone overseeing every film. I believe the more confusing the continuity of these films gets, the less the audience will care about them. Continuity is one of the strenghts of the MCU and one of the reasons why people are engaged with them, people go watch them to find out how they tie into the other films.

One thing is wanting to differentiate itself as a product, and something entirely different is not recognizing a strength the competition has that they lack -- that is what Fox and WB are guilty of IMO.

 

[InCali]

I think it remains to be seen. After a couple of disasters, I thought they were on the right track with FC and DoFP. After Apocalypse, I'm not so sure. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't that good either; certainly not as good as the 2 before it. I think they are balancing on the edge of a knife and I don't think Logan is going to help the franchise too much. Let's see what the next X movie is like, but I think they have to run off a string of good movies to reinvigorate the franchise. If they can't do that, then there's trouble ahead.

 

[-JKR-]

I beg to differ. When you have a franchise with a continuity which is continously collapsing like X-Men, you kind of do need someone overseeing every film. I believe the more confusing the continuity of these films gets, the less the audience will care about them. Continuity is one of the strenghts of the MCU and one of the reasons why people are engaged with them, people go watch them to find out how they tie into the other films.

One thing is wanting to differentiate itself as a product, and something entirely different is not recognizing a strength the competition has that they lack -- that is what Fox and WB are guilty of IMO.

Doesn't mean that every franchise needs to take the same approach.

 

[InCali]

Doesn't mean that every franchise needs to take the same approach.

No, they don't, but they DO have to make consistently good movies. Loved FC, DoFP, Deadpool, and early X movies (not III). The others??? Fox needs to be more consistent.

 

[X-Maniac]

Doesn't mean that every franchise needs to take the same approach.

No one is asking Fox to copy Marvel exactly... But a few things would work wonders, namely having someone with executive power to oversee the films and ensure continuity and consistency, better treatment of key characters, and better mapping out of the movies.

 

[marvelrobbins]

what a lot of people are forgetting when they bring up contunity If only films
that matter now are

First Class
1973 parts of DOFP
2023 ending of DOFP-although that could be ignored in future
post credit scene of DOFP
Deadpool
Apocalypse

everything else doesn't matter anymore.

if you want to get 100% techinal yeah you could also say the pre 1973 parts of origins and WWII parts of the wolverine matter

There are going to be some who attack all X-Men films including DOFP except deadpool and maybe first class and won't be happy till X-Men Is at disney.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Kinberg is Kevin Feige of this series, then maybe it doesn't need one.

 

[def28]

No, not every studio or comic book adaptation needs a Kevin Feige.
I like that the X-Men movies and spin-offs work more as stand-alone movies. Not every franchise needs to take the overly-serialized approach Marvel Studios has.

Stop thinking I'm saying this needs to be exactly like Marvel. Cause I just said it doesn't in what you quoted. They need to be on the same page within their own studio. Feige knows the material and Fox need to as well, if you think this studio realizes everything they have you are wrong and that's a big issue. Just cause you are personally bias against the Marvel films, doesn't mean there is not something to gain by looking at their success, and Fox wants to.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

No

But they're not doing the X-Men any favors either

 

[x-er]

What if they made a Rogue mini series ft. Anna Paquin along the lines of Jessica Jones?

Paquin's well-known in the role and still has momentum from playing Sookie in HBO's True Blood. Another show alongside Legixn can't hurt.

Also, this chick likes to fight! WARNING: language and violence
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This is one of Paquin's favorite scenes that she filmed in the series

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

What if they made a Rogue mini series ft. Anna Paquin along the lines of Jessica Jones?

She's more Rogue like now then ever before. Her accent was so much better in True Blood. I say do it.

 

[psylockolussus]

A Rogue series would be cool though it seems like a waste when they could just bring her back in a movie and let her smash things.

Cyclops, Phoenix, Rogue, Storm, Shadowcat, Iceman, Colossus, Beast - this is already a good line up. Then they could include an older Nightcrawler and Gambit into the mix. If Apocalypse already underperformed with the newer cast, I don't see why this cast shouldn't get a chance. The roster itself is still way better than the one in 1983.