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Is the USA a pseudo-fascist state? (Police constantly abusing people)

Still less than 4% of the cops in this country causing problems. Should it be ignored, no. Should it be treated like some sort of epidemic, also no.

How did you get 4%?

If roughly 30,000 cops are involved in reported and unreported misconduct every year and those cases accumulate for a decade, the number is much bigger than 4%.
 
How did you get 4%?

If roughly 30,000 cops are involved in reported and unreported misconduct every year and those cases accumulate for a decade, the number is much bigger than 4%.
(30,000 Cops causing problems/790,000 Cops in the US)*100=3.797% of the cops are doing something they shouldn't be. Yes, you can add the number of cops each year but, that would only serve to artificially inflate the number to sensationalize it.

You could, of course, compile your own data on just how many police there are in the US now, my number was from a couple years ago. Then work out the reported misconduct and go from there. I doubt you will, though. Especially, seeing as it goes against this theory you and other have that police are constantly abusing people, as the thread title states.
 
(30,000 Cops causing problems/790,000 Cops in the US)*100=3.797% of the cops are doing something they shouldn't be. Yes, you can add the number of cops each year but, that would only serve to artificially inflate the number to sensationalize it.

You could, of course, compile your own data on just how many police there are in the US now, my number was from a couple years ago. Then work out the reported misconduct and go from there. I doubt you will, though. Especially, seeing as it goes against this theory you and other have that police are constantly abusing people, as the thread title states.

I came up with 30,000 because you suggested I multiply the number of documented, misconduct allegations by five to account for unreported or undocumented misconducted.

But that's for a single year. Over the course of 10 years that number approaches 300,000.

and notice the title of the thread doesn't say "all" cops abusing people. Just like a thread about corruption in congress wouldn't necessarily accuse all members of congress of blatant corruption.
 
I came up with 30,000 because you suggested I multiply the number of documented, misconduct allegations by five to account for unreported or undocumented misconducted.

But that's for a single year. Over the course of 10 years that number approaches 300,000.

and notice the title of the thread doesn't say "all" cops abusing people. Just like a thread about corruption in congress wouldn't necessarily accuse all members of congress of blatant corruption.
Yes, that's a huge number. However, it's still a very small percentage of the police causing problems. And, given that it's such a small percentage of them, the general term, "Police constantly abusing people", is really misleading.
 
Woman gets rushed and knocked over by riot cop for NO REASON AT ALL, footage in the link.

http://azstarnet.com/news/blogs/pol...cle_8c89f6b6-b87b-11e3-88be-0019bb2963f4.html
I just want to point out that while the ONE cop was seriously out of line with his actions, could you also take notice of the other couple dozen or so police that are NOT abusing any of the civilians? Yes, it's a shame something like this happens and the woman should absolutely sue, the video shows that the vast majority of the police on the scene are doing their jobs the right way.
 
One thing I notice in police abuse videos is the other cops rarely come the aid of the victim or make an effort to stop the abuse.

In police brutality videos the majority of fellow cops usually choose loyalty over personal integrity. It's as if they're more worried about stepping on a team members shoes than standing up for an abused suspect.
 
Which is one of my gripes with police officers. They tend to cover for their fellow officers even if they are breaking the law or are abusing their status.
 
When F.B.I. knocks on your door
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Hello M'am, we are here to ask you if you know any type of activity from protests that would hurt anyone or destroy any property
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Yeah, cause a full time mom of five kids and a hard working citizen is certainly a suspect for doing criminal acts. But, she is also a peace activist...Damn them activists for wanting a better world for all mankind without wars and suffering :whatever:
lol those guys are hilarious.
 
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Yeah, this woman in the vid just comes off as an A-1 *****ebag far more the agents. Far more. They are basically asking if she has any information on those that are ideologically simpatico with her who may have plans to resort to violence it seems to me. Is this really something that comes off a harassment or the like? We've seen various protests in this country turn violent or destructive before. It seems to me that is what they are asking about.
 
Yeah, this woman in the vid just comes off as an A-1 *****ebag far more the agents. Far more. They are basically asking if she has any information on those that are ideologically simpatico with her who may have plans to resort to violence it seems to me. Is this really something that comes off a harassment or the like?

No, the video is not something that comes off as a harassment. But it is notable to post cause it shows how the organised state views its citizens who protest for a noble cause.

We've seen various protests in this country turn violent or destructive before. It seems to me that is what they are asking about.

It seems to me that they care more about the property damage that might occur from these protests. It is hypocritical at the least to claim that the feds are worried about any one getting hurt, while every day in the US only, people are dying in the streets from hunger and because they can't get a proper medical treatment. Not to mention the countless civilian losses of men, women and children that take place in Iraq and the drone strikes.
 
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umm..... Yeah, sorry but property damage is something to be worried about for a lot of very good reasons, not the least of which is that it easily can escalate to something that could become life threatening. Riots and fires hold many a similarity, but as the idea is based in reality and not ones own "belief" I am sure that the practical reasoning will be lost on you.
 
Let me find an example of something, then blow it out of proporition and claim it's the norm.

Yeah!

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Civilians say they can’t ‘continue to pretend’ they have power over Albuquerque police

http://rt.com/usa/albuquerque-police-oversight-resign-260/

Half of the commission that conducts oversight of the Albuquerque, New Mexico Police Department has resigned in protest follow a scathing report from the United States Department of Justice.

Oversight commission members Jennifer Barela, Jonathan Siegel and Richard Shine sent letters of resignation to Albuquerque, NM Mayor Richard Berry on Tuesday, leaving just three members of the nine-person panel to assess the police department’s actions. Prior to Tuesday, only six people held seats on the Police Oversight Commission, or POC.

Tuesday’s resignations were announced less than a week after the Justice Dept. accused the APD of what it determined to be excessive abuse force and a culture of abuse and aggression. According to the DOJ’s findings, Albuquerque police have shot 37 men since 2010, killing 23.

“We have determined that structural and systemic deficiencies – including insufficient oversight, inadequate training and ineffective policies – contributed to the use of unreasonable force,” the Justice Dept. said. “Albuquerque’s external oversight structure could do much more to address unreasonable uses of deadly force, and it is apparent from our review of documents and interviews that the failure to do so in the past has contributed to the pattern of unreasonable force that we have found.”

More in the article.

Hey, let's pretend police abuse is isolated and isn't a big deal.
 
Civilians say they can’t ‘continue to pretend’ they have power over Albuquerque police

http://rt.com/usa/albuquerque-police-oversight-resign-260/



More in the article.

Hey, let's pretend police abuse is isolated and isn't a big deal.

Man, that video with the homeless being shot in cold blood is very disturbing :(
What the hell were they thinking after he drops in the ground, shouting and shooting him and sending the dog to get a bite of him, while being obviously dead? :huh: :doh:

Another goody. Warning, very graphic video.

Footage of California cops beating homeless man to death shown in court
http://rt.com/usa/footage-kelly-death-thomas-811/

One year after Fullerton, California police officers beat a 37-year-old homeless man to death, video footage of Kelly Thomas’ last few minutes of consciousness were showed in a Santa Ana, CA courtroom on Monday.

Monday marked the first day of a preliminary hearing that will go on to determine if there is enough evidence for two Fullerton cops — Officers Manuel Ramos and Jay Cicinelli — to be ordered to stand trial for the May 5, 2011 beating of Thomas. Ramos was charged last year with second-degree murder and Cicinelli with involuntary manslaughter — both have plead not guilty.

As spectators sat through 30 minutes of grainy black and white footage, Judge Walter Schwarz momentarily ordered that the film be paused so that some in the court could be excused to compose themselves.

Despite the subpar quality of the footage, Ramos is clearly seen shaking his fist in front of Thomas, a known drifter and documented schizophrenic, insisting that he was about to “**** him up.” Cops were on the scene to investigate a call of car break-ins when they discovered a shirtless Thomas and began questioning him. When Thomas walks away from Ramos after being questioned, he is assaulted with batons, Tasers and fists by a crew of cops that eventually turns into a crowd of five.

Describing his own actions, Officer Cicinelli is recorded on tape in the aftermath to explain, "We ran out of options so I got the end of my Taser and I probably…I just started smashing his face to hell.”

Elsewhere on the tape, Thomas is heard pleading for his life. The recording captures the man crying out "OK man, I can't breathe," "I'm sorry, dude, I'm sorry!" and "Dad, they're killing me, dad … daddy!" before he lost the ability to communicate.

By the time the bloodied, unconscious body of Thomas was delivered to a local hospital, doctors determined that he suffered multiple broken bones in his face, several cracked ribs and a crushed thorax. Physicians also figured Thomas to have choked on his own blood during the incident. After five days on life support, Thomas passed away.

Last year, Ron Thomas, father of the deceased, told CNN that he won’t settle “for anything here except for complete justice for my son.” Despite the evidence that has Americans across the country accusing the Fullerton, CA cops of excessive force, however, reparation might not be easy to receive — attorneys for the defendants maintain that their clients were in the right.

In defense of Officer Ramos, attorney John Arnett asked a University of California, Irvine surgical trauma chief to take the stand and explain how physicians handled Thomas’ injuries. "The cause of death might be the treatment he got [at] the hospital?" Barnett asked Dr. Michael Lekawa.

The Los Angeles Times reports that Dr. Lekawa was originally concerned over a medical error on the hospital’s end, but all that changed once he saw the footage.

"They did everything right," Lekawa testified to the court in explaining the hospital’s handling of Thomas.

According to Reuters, Fullerton fire Captain Ron Stancyk, a paramedic that was called to the scene, tended to injuries incurred by the officers themselves upon arrival. Testifying in court this week, Stancyk says that none of the officers alerted him of Thomas, near death, when he arrived.

Updated, Wednesday May 9:

Judge Schwarz announce on Wednesday that there is enough evidence to bring the officers to trial. If Officer Ramos is convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of 15 years-to-life in jail; Cicinelli could end up with as little as four years behind bars.

Seems like police officers have a thing for beating to death harmless and unarmed homeless people. Must be an easy target for practice. :up:
 
Civilians say they can’t ‘continue to pretend’ they have power over Albuquerque police

http://rt.com/usa/albuquerque-police-oversight-resign-260/



More in the article.

Hey, let's pretend police abuse is isolated and isn't a big deal.

And that's the thing. Even if police abuse is 10%, that is still a dangerous percentage and any one of us are potential victims without committing any crime. I personally prefer to be vocal about those "isolated" incidents in the hope they get to "0%", than claiming that this is not a big deal and all that.
And I'd like the police for once to go after criminals that wear expensive suits and own big companies and commit worse crimes than homeless people and petty thieves who struggle to earn a living.
 
And that's the thing. Even if police abuse is 10%, that is still a dangerous percentage and any one of us are potential victims without committing any crime. I personally prefer to be vocal about those "isolated" incidents in the hope they get to "0%", than claiming that this is not a big deal and all that.
And I'd like the police for once to go after criminals that wear expensive suits and own big companies and commit worse crimes than homeless people and petty thieves who struggle to earn a living.
Even multiplying the statistics by 5 to account for unreported incidents, it's only about 5% of police in the US. abusing their power.
 
NYPD Twitter campaign 'backfires' after hashtag hijacked

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27126041

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NYPD Twitter campaign implodes, flooded with photos of police abuse

http://rt.com/usa/154120-nypd-hashtag-twitter-police/

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I love when y'all pull us over and ask where we are going. Always concerned if Black people are lost! Heroes! @NYPDnews #myNYPD

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#MyNYPD broke this 10 y.o.'s leg for filming them, then sexually assaulted mom http://nydailynews.com/1.1602489#bmb=1 pic.***********/axZUzH18Cx

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Ex-sheriff's deputies charged with planting evidence at pot dispensary


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...idence-20140423,0,3207799.story#ixzz304DYbVck

Two former Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies have been charged with conspiracy, perjury and altering evidence in connection with planting guns inside a medical marijuana dispensary to justify two arrests in 2011, prosecutors said.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...idence-20140423,0,3207799.story#ixzz307E8tpvH

Makes ya wonder how often cops plant evidence without getting caught.
 
"A New York woman has reached a $650,000 settlement with Nassau County after a police officer accidentally shot her while investigating a drug case involving her downstairs neighbors.

Iyanna Davis was shot in the breast in 2010 after the officer mistakenly burst into her apartment during a drug investigation, reported Newsday.

The bullet then went through her abdomen and both thighs.

The officer said his assault rifle went off accidentally, and he was cleared of any wrongdoing by an internal police investigation."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/...-shoot-woman-in-drug-raid-on-wrong-apartment/

She's lucky she isn't dead.
 

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