Giuliani's Police State

[Abaddon]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...rence/Times Topics/People/D/Dibrienza, Stephe

 

[jaguarr]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...rence/Times Topics/People/D/Dibrienza, Stephe

I guess he thought his plan to build a homeless shelter would be more successful if he created some homeless people in the process.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

Great video expose' on Giuliani by the UK's Channel 4 News.

jag

 

[The Evolutionist]

Yeah, in most cities (esp. crime infested ones like NY) you need a permit for public demonstations over a certain amount.


But, I was probably paid off by big oil sooooooo.......

It sounds like they had to take it to court to get a permit to begin with, which is not standard operating procedure.

 

[Abaddon]

Great video expose' on Giuliani by the UK's Channel 4 News.

jag

pretty damning stuff. especially the extra fuel tank in 7 world trade.

 

[jaguarr]

pretty damning stuff. especially the extra fuel tank in 7 world trade.

That whole thing amply demonstrates that he's a strategical moron who doesn't take input from the experts around him. They TOLD him not to build it there and to put it underground in Brooklyn so it would be protected if there ever was a real crisis. The Towers were a known terrorist target and had been hit before. It was the dumbest place in the city to put a Crisis Command Center. Sounds to me like he just used it for a giant Rec Room to keep his cigars in and bang his mistress, so he wanted it close at hand for afternoon dalliances.

jag

 

[SoulManX]

That whole thing amply demonstrates that he's a strategical moron who doesn't take input from the experts around him. They TOLD him not to build it there and to put it underground in Brooklyn so it would be protected if there ever was a real crisis. The Towers were a known terrorist target and had been hit before. It was the dumbest place in the city to put a Crisis Command Center. Sounds to me like he just used it for a giant Rec Room to keep his cigars in and bang his mistress, so he wanted it close at hand for afternoon dalliances.

jag

t:

 

[Abaddon]

and of course he comes off looking all heroic as he walks through the streets....because the command center was next door to the Towers!

 

[SoulManX]

and of course he comes off looking all heroic as he walks through the streets....because the command center was next door to the Towers!

Gracchus: He enters Rome like a conquering hero. But what has he conquered?
Falco: Give him time, Gracchus. He's young, he may do very well.
Gracchus: For Rome, Falco? Or for you?

 

[Abaddon]

Gracchus: Fear and wonder, a powerful combination.
Falco: You really think people are going to be seduced by that?
Gracchus: I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it's the sand of the coliseum. He'll bring them death - and they will love him for it.

 

[SoulManX]

Commodus: It vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.

 

[SoulManX]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/20/nyc-fire-chief-giuliani-not-a-hero-he-ran-that-day/

 

[jaguarr]

Good link, Soulman.

jag

 

[SoulManX]

Good link, Soulman.

jag

 

[sinewave]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/11/20/nyc-fire-chief-giuliani-not-a-hero-he-ran-that-day/

i love that site. one of the best progressive political blogs on the web.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Rudy Giuliani, the only candidate that, if elected, could make me miss George Dubbya.

 

[jaguarr]

Dirty Rudy strikes again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/nyregion/29campaign.html?ref=politics

November 29, 2007
City Said to Have Paid Bills as Giuliani Affair Began
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM

Late in his tenure as mayor of New York, Rudolph W. Giuliani billed tens of thousands of dollars in travel expenses to little-known city agencies as he was beginning an extramarital affair, a political Web site reported yesterday.

The report, on the Politico Web site, cited documents obtained under the New York State Freedom of Information Law. But it was unclear from those documents whether Mr. Giuliani allocated those travel costs, from 1999 through 2001, to obscure city offices in an attempt to conceal expenses associated with the relationship or for some accounting purpose.

The administration of Mr. Giuliani’s successor, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, said in 2002, several months after taking office, that the Giuliani administration had kept the budget for the mayor’s office artificially low by paying more than $5 million in salaries through other city agencies. The agencies to which Mr. Giuliani billed the travel expenses were outside the mayor’s office.

The New York mayor always travels with a security detail, and the expenses for the police detectives assigned to protect him are normally paid for by the Police Department when he travels on city business.

Asked about the travel expenses during the Republican presidential candidates’ debate last night, Mr. Giuliani denied any wrongdoing. “I have nothing to do with the handling of their records,” he said. As far as he knew, he said, the records were handled appropriately.

One of Mr. Giuliani’s chief political advisers, Anthony V. Carbonetti, said earlier yesterday that any suggestion that the former mayor had sought to hide anything was “nonsense.”

“As far as we are concerned, these are all legitimate expenses incurred by the N.Y.P.D. while performing their duty protecting the mayor,” Mr. Carbonetti said.

Mr. Carbonetti told reporters, “There was no effort to hide anything — on the mayor’s part definitely because this is stuff he has never seen.”

He suggested it would have been easier to conceal the expenses had they been billed to the Police Department, which routinely declines to provide information about security. A Giuliani aide said last night that it was the campaign’s understanding that the Police Department had reimbursed the agencies billed for security expenses.

The documents obtained by Politico, described as American Express bills and travel documents, detailed hotel, gas and other costs for the detectives on trips to Southampton, N.Y. The woman with whom Mr. Giuliani was having an affair, Judith Nathan, who became his third wife, had a condominium in the Long Island beach community.

Politico said it was impossible to know whether all of Mr. Giuliani’s trips to Southampton were to see Ms. Nathan. In fact, little is known about the trips, and the Giuliani campaign yesterday did not provide details.

The fact that Mr. Giuliani was carrying on an extramarital affair at the time he made the trips, and that he had been accompanied by his security detail, was widely reported in 2000.

But the unusual accounting practices highlighted by the Politico Web site, in which the costs for the security detail’s travel expenses were billed to small agencies, had not before been reported. The disclosure served to refocus attention on that period of Mr. Giuliani’s life with just over a month before the first votes are cast in the Iowa caucuses.

The report also comes as one of Mr. Giuliani’s rivals for the presidential nomination, Mitt Romney, has been questioning his fiscal stewardship of the city.

Politico cited credit card receipts for expenses incurred by the Mr. Giuliani’s security detail; the report did not suggest that Mr. Giuliani had billed the city for the costs of his own expenses or meals. The costs were billed to offices that had nothing to do with the trips or the mayor’s security, including a agency that regulates loft apartments, one responsible with aiding the disabled and another that helps provide lawyers for indigent defendants.

When the fact that the security detail was accompanying him on the visits to Ms. Nathan’s condominium was first reported in May 2000, the Giuliani administration refused to provide an accounting of the expenses, suggesting that it was a security issue.

Police officials acknowledged in January 2001 that they also paid for detectives to guard Ms. Nathan during a period of time before she and Mr. Giuliani were married. Mr. Bloomberg continued that practice after he came into office in January 2002, and continued to offer security for Mr. Giuliani, Ms. Nathan and Mr. Giuliani’s estranged wife, Donna Hanover, saying it was a sensible policy as long as there were “credible threats” to their safety.

The unusual billing of the 11 Southampton trips documented in the receipts came to light at the end of Mr. Giuliani’s eight years as mayor. An auditor at the comptroller’s office was reviewing the records of the city’s Loft Board in 2001 and found $34,000 in travel expenses, an unusual sum for the tiny agency.

When the comptroller’s office sought an explanation, Mr. Giuliani’s aides refused, citing security. Later, according to a spokesman for the comptroller, when the office sought answers from Mr. Bloomberg’s administration, they got the same response.





jag

 

[SoulManX]

Dirty Rudy strikes again:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/nyregion/29campaign.html?ref=politics

November 29, 2007
City Said to Have Paid Bills as Giuliani Affair Began
By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM

Late in his tenure as mayor of New York, Rudolph W. Giuliani billed tens of thousands of dollars in travel expenses to little-known city agencies as he was beginning an extramarital affair, a political Web site reported yesterday.

The report, on the Politico Web site, cited documents obtained under the New York State Freedom of Information Law. But it was unclear from those documents whether Mr. Giuliani allocated those travel costs, from 1999 through 2001, to obscure city offices in an attempt to conceal expenses associated with the relationship or for some accounting purpose.

The administration of Mr. Giuliani’s successor, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, said in 2002, several months after taking office, that the Giuliani administration had kept the budget for the mayor’s office artificially low by paying more than $5 million in salaries through other city agencies. The agencies to which Mr. Giuliani billed the travel expenses were outside the mayor’s office.

The New York mayor always travels with a security detail, and the expenses for the police detectives assigned to protect him are normally paid for by the Police Department when he travels on city business.

Asked about the travel expenses during the Republican presidential candidates’ debate last night, Mr. Giuliani denied any wrongdoing. “I have nothing to do with the handling of their records,” he said. As far as he knew, he said, the records were handled appropriately.

One of Mr. Giuliani’s chief political advisers, Anthony V. Carbonetti, said earlier yesterday that any suggestion that the former mayor had sought to hide anything was “nonsense.”

“As far as we are concerned, these are all legitimate expenses incurred by the N.Y.P.D. while performing their duty protecting the mayor,” Mr. Carbonetti said.

Mr. Carbonetti told reporters, “There was no effort to hide anything — on the mayor’s part definitely because this is stuff he has never seen.”

He suggested it would have been easier to conceal the expenses had they been billed to the Police Department, which routinely declines to provide information about security. A Giuliani aide said last night that it was the campaign’s understanding that the Police Department had reimbursed the agencies billed for security expenses.

The documents obtained by Politico, described as American Express bills and travel documents, detailed hotel, gas and other costs for the detectives on trips to Southampton, N.Y. The woman with whom Mr. Giuliani was having an affair, Judith Nathan, who became his third wife, had a condominium in the Long Island beach community.

Politico said it was impossible to know whether all of Mr. Giuliani’s trips to Southampton were to see Ms. Nathan. In fact, little is known about the trips, and the Giuliani campaign yesterday did not provide details.

The fact that Mr. Giuliani was carrying on an extramarital affair at the time he made the trips, and that he had been accompanied by his security detail, was widely reported in 2000.

But the unusual accounting practices highlighted by the Politico Web site, in which the costs for the security detail’s travel expenses were billed to small agencies, had not before been reported. The disclosure served to refocus attention on that period of Mr. Giuliani’s life with just over a month before the first votes are cast in the Iowa caucuses.

The report also comes as one of Mr. Giuliani’s rivals for the presidential nomination, Mitt Romney, has been questioning his fiscal stewardship of the city.

Politico cited credit card receipts for expenses incurred by the Mr. Giuliani’s security detail; the report did not suggest that Mr. Giuliani had billed the city for the costs of his own expenses or meals. The costs were billed to offices that had nothing to do with the trips or the mayor’s security, including a agency that regulates loft apartments, one responsible with aiding the disabled and another that helps provide lawyers for indigent defendants.

When the fact that the security detail was accompanying him on the visits to Ms. Nathan’s condominium was first reported in May 2000, the Giuliani administration refused to provide an accounting of the expenses, suggesting that it was a security issue.

Police officials acknowledged in January 2001 that they also paid for detectives to guard Ms. Nathan during a period of time before she and Mr. Giuliani were married. Mr. Bloomberg continued that practice after he came into office in January 2002, and continued to offer security for Mr. Giuliani, Ms. Nathan and Mr. Giuliani’s estranged wife, Donna Hanover, saying it was a sensible policy as long as there were “credible threats” to their safety.

The unusual billing of the 11 Southampton trips documented in the receipts came to light at the end of Mr. Giuliani’s eight years as mayor. An auditor at the comptroller’s office was reviewing the records of the city’s Loft Board in 2001 and found $34,000 in travel expenses, an unusual sum for the tiny agency.

When the comptroller’s office sought an explanation, Mr. Giuliani’s aides refused, citing security. Later, according to a spokesman for the comptroller, when the office sought answers from Mr. Bloomberg’s administration, they got the same response.





jag

Very sneaky.

 

[chamber-music]

Wow. Very damning for Newscorp if it turns out to be true. They said that a prosecutor has said that he has evidence of the allegations, which could really turn out badly for them. All these little side stories surrounding Giuliani and dirty business dealings from his cohorts and running buddies should be sending up red flags for anyone who doesn't think he's dirty as all hell.

jag

Murdoch is a real life Lex Luthor.

I like my billionaires like Richard Branson hanging out with supermodels in jumbo jets.

 

[SoulManX]

Murdoch is a real life Lex Luthor.

I like my billionaires like Richard Branson hanging out with supermodels in jumbo jets.

Word

 

[AllThingsComic]

This moron can't even stay loyal to his baseball team (or his wife), what makes anyone think he'll be any better for this country. He'll do and say whatever he needs to to get into office. At every debate a bunch of friends and I have a drinking party, everytime Foolyiani says 9/11, terrorist and Hillary we do shots. Let's just say we were pretty buzzed by the end of the debate.

 

[SoulManX]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/u...1196444408-AKRzWVdVxsJrXxoB2bzo9g&oref=slogin


Citing Statistics, Giuliani Misses Time and Again

In almost every appearance as he campaigns for the Republican presidential nomination, Rudolph W. Giuliani cites a fusillade of statistics and facts to make his arguments about his successes in running New York City and the merits of his views.

Discussing his crime-fighting success as mayor, Mr. Giuliani told a television interviewer that New York was “the only city in America that has reduced crime every single year since 1994.” In New Hampshire this week, he told a public forum that when he became mayor in 1994, New York “had been averaging like 1,800, 1,900 murders for almost 30 years.” When a recent Republican debate turned to the question of fiscal responsibility, he boasted that “under me, spending went down by 7 percent.”
All of these statements are incomplete, exaggerated or just plain wrong. And while, to be sure, all candidates use misleading statistics from time to time, Mr. Giuliani has made statistics a central part of his candidacy as he campaigns on his record.

 

[jaguarr]

Nice find, SoulManX. Saw some coverage of this on the news the other night and meant to go find the article version for this thread.

jag

 

[SoulManX]

Nice find, SoulManX. Saw some coverage of this on the news the other night and meant to go find the article version for this thread.

jag

I'm getting sick of him

 

[SoulManX]

Besides Freakonomics explained the low crime rated in the 90's.