Is there something wrong with the Snyderverse?

[The_Manhunter]

No.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Blind hatred? Almost everyone who dislikes Snyder's films all seem to have issues with his weak storytelling and overuse of CGI. That's not blind hatred. Can't help but laugh at the idea that WB would keep Snyder around just to spite his detractors. I highly doubt WB is investing hundreds of millions of dollars on these franchises but keeping Snyder around is a priority simply to spite his so-called 'haters'.

I agree. I am disliking Zach more and more with each film at this point. He does do cool shots that only he can think of. But his story telling is weak. He's over gifted visually but he is undergifted with his other director talents. And someone like this needs guidance espcially with the DCEU. I think WB made the wrong decision and now it's hard to clean up the mess.

Agreed.

 

[batman1]

Agreed.

Amen!!

 

[dc_mos]

Is there something wrong with the Snyderverse?

No.

 

[The Joker]

Blind hatred? Almost everyone who dislikes Snyder's films all seem to have issues with his weak storytelling and overuse of CGI. That's not blind hatred. Can't help but laugh at the idea that WB would keep Snyder around just to spite his detractors. I highly doubt WB is investing hundreds of millions of dollars on these franchises but keeping Snyder around is a priority simply to spite his so-called 'haters'.

Well said. I bet they wouldn't have even signed him on for JL if they knew the reception BvS was going to get.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Well said. I bet they wouldn't have even signed him on for JL if they knew the reception BvS was going to get.

What.

 

[The Joker]

What.

What do you mean what? What are you asking exactly?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

What do you mean what? What are you asking exactly?

I'm trying to understand the point your statement, since it could never apply to anything. That is all.

 

[The Joker]

Its very easy to understand. I believe if Warner Bros knew in advance the kind of reception BvS was going to get - critically slammed, disappointing box office, divisive fans etc, they wouldn't have signed Snyder on to direct JL. Unfortunately he was already signed on to do it and the movie was in pre-production when BvS came out. Would have cost them too much money to get rid of him at that late stage. That can apply to any similar situation.

That is all.

 

[Patchwork Man]

If Zack had a three-film deal in place, it wouldn't matter. The movie still made money, and it is still making money.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Wb definitely not hire Zack Snyder after disappointment of Batman vs Superman. They silly and should have wait to see how movie did before hire him again for another big Dceu movie. Now he going to spoil Justice league too.

Amen!!

Amen twice lol. I hope Justice league last movie he direct in Dceu.

 

[metaphysician]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: WB is reaping the whirlwind for their hyper-fast release schedule. If they weren't desperate to get movies out as fast as possible, they'd have had time to switch directors. As is, they are on a train they can't realistically get off.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Nearly three years passed between the release of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. So because Justice League is arriving 18 months later (when BvS had been done for a year prior), now everything is moving hyper-fast? Please. The "other guys" haven't exactly operated at a snail's pace.

 

[metaphysician]

Its not how long they waited to release BvS, its how many following movies they have literally filming at the same time. When the *third* sequel to a movie is filming at the same time as its in theaters, you have a potential problem.

( Also, Marvel didn't start having this many movies in development at the same time until after Avengers- prior to that, they had as much as a year or more between movies. )

 

[MadVillainy]

Nah Marvel was moving kinda fast too.
Thor and I think Cap were filming by the time IM2 was in theaters. And Avengers was filming by the time Cap was in theaters so yeah Marvel and DC are doing something similar with the filming schedules. Imagine if both Thor and Cap were poorly received.

However, Marvel had the goodwill of RDJ as Stark, at least 1 very well received movie before Cap/Thor in 2011. DC has at least 2 divisive movies under their belts while they're doing this and that just makes it more difficult

If Zack had a three-film deal in place, it wouldn't matter. The movie still made money, and it is still making money.

You know people get bought out of deals all the time

 

[Patchwork Man]

You know people get bought out of deals all the time

The buyout may be more expensive. Or maybe the studio likes the overall vision. It's best to see what Zack comes up with. I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Its not how long they waited to release BvS, its how many following movies they have literally filming at the same time. When the *third* sequel to a movie is filming at the same time as its in theaters, you have a potential problem.

BvS had been finished for some time before it hit theaters. The fact that Justice League began filming while it was in theaters is wholly irrelevant. It's like complaining about Star Wars Episode VIII and Rogue One being in production at the same time. Different people are working on these films.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Its very easy to understand. I believe if Warner Bros knew in advance the kind of reception BvS was going to get - critically slammed, disappointing box office, divisive fans etc, they wouldn't have signed Snyder on to direct JL. Unfortunately he was already signed on to do it and the movie was in pre-production when BvS came out. Would have cost them too much money to get rid of him at that late stage. That can apply to any similar situation.

That is all.

Except that would never happen. Last time I checked science still couldn't foresee the future, especially movie box offices and reviews. That's why your point is just plain pointless and nonsensical. Literally added nothing, at all.

 

[The Joker]

Except that would never happen. Last time I checked science still couldn't foresee the future, especially movie box offices and reviews. That's why your point is just plain pointless and nonsensical. Literally added nothing, at all.

This is a joke right. Where did I say seeing into the future could happen? That's what you seriously took from my post? That WB should have looked into the future to see what would happen? You're having a laugh, as well as making a pointless and nonsensical rebuttal again. I was clearly talking about if they had known what the outcome of BvS would be, as in waited to see the response to BvS before they hired Snyder to direct JL, they'd never have given him the job. Is the concept of hindsight and regret new to you or something? You've never seen someone say 'I would never have done that if I'd known this or that would happen'? Of course you have. Unless you've been living under a rock all your life.

 

[Jaxon]

BvS had been finished for some time before it hit theaters. The fact that Justice League began filming while it was in theaters is wholly irrelevant. It's like complaining about Star Wars Episode VIII and Rogue One being in production at the same time. Different people are working on these films.

Except Rogue One looks a complete mess now they have a new director and a new music director because Disney doesn't like the movie they made.
What matters is that you produce an agreed vision between studio and production team.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I've said it before, I'll say it again: WB is reaping the whirlwind for their hyper-fast release schedule. If they weren't desperate to get movies out as fast as possible, they'd have had time to switch directors. As is, they are on a train they can't realistically get off.

Its not how long they waited to release BvS, its how many following movies they have literally filming at the same time. When the *third* sequel to a movie is filming at the same time as its in theaters, you have a potential problem.

( Also, Marvel didn't start having this many movies in development at the same time until after Avengers- prior to that, they had as much as a year or more between movies. )

Agreed. They rushing it because they want to make shared universe fast as possible.

You know people get bought out of deals all the time

Agreed. Sam Raimi get bought out of Spider-Man 4 deal months after they start working on it. That was big.

Except that would never happen. Last time I checked science still couldn't foresee the future, especially movie box offices and reviews. That's why your point is just plain pointless and nonsensical. Literally added nothing, at all.

lol Andrew you being silly. It mean if Wb not hire Zack Snyder before Batman vs Superman come out. They silly and should have wait to see how movie do before they pick who to be director of Justice league. It not about seeing into future lol.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

This is a joke right. Where did I say seeing into the future could happen? That's what you seriously took from my post? That WB should have looked into the future to see what would happen? You're having a laugh, as well as making a pointless and nonsensical rebuttal again. I was clearly talking about if they had known what the outcome of BvS would be, as in waited to see the response to BvS before they hired Snyder to direct JL, they'd never have given him the job. Is the concept of hindsight and regret new to you or something? You've never seen someone say 'I would never have done that if I'd known this or that would happen'? Of course you have. Unless you've been living under a rock all your life.

No. It's just your typical snarky remark, it's dull, senseless and doesn't add nothing to the discussion as usual. You know it's true, and I'm surprised you didnt quote 7 people with "" already.

Of course I've seen people saying that, but not when they're debating movies It's part of it. I don't spend my days here trying to appear better than everyone, but anyways, have fun Jokey.

 

[The Joker]

No. It's just your typical snarky remark, it's dull, senseless and doesn't add nothing to the discussion as usual. You know it's true, and I'm surprised you didnt quote 7 people with "" already.

Of course I've seen people saying that, but not when they're debating movies It's part of it. I don't spend my days here trying to appear better than everyone, but anyways, have fun Jokey.

You've never seen people express regrets in regards to movies?

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2561073

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/07/fantastic-four-josh-trank-tweet

http://www.slashfilm.com/jj-abrams-regrets/

That's just a tiny handful of examples. Even Geoff Johns who is now involved in the DCCU said WB was wrong about their dark and gritty approach to it; http://uk.businessinsider.com/warner-bros-was-making-superhero-movies-wrong-2016-9?r=US&IR=T

I guess all these people are stupid for expressing regrets and hindsight about making movies.

Your whole post translates like this; I know your point was valid that's why I couldn't offer any real counter argument except to make childish snarky personal remarks. The reason why is I'm still carrying a chip on my shoulder for the time I got put on a long probation stint for being rude and childish just like this in a discussion with you.

You're as transparent as polished glass. Only a person nursing a personal grudge could equate what I said about WB and Snyder as "trying to appear better than everyone". Pathetic. You couldn't come in and just politely disagree and try to offer some reasonable counter points. No you just call my post worthless and make personal insults. I thought that was your agenda but I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked what you meant with your "What" post thinking there might be a million to one chance you were actually going to have an actual sensible discussion. All you've done is derail this thread with your pettiness.

If you're done contributing nothing but dull senseless snark and insults then drop it before you get slapped with another stint on probation.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Except Rogue One looks a complete mess now they have a new director and a new music director because Disney doesn't like the movie they made. What matters is that you produce an agreed vision between studio and production team.

We won't know until it's here. I feel Gareth probably made a good movie, but then they watched it and wanted to lighten things up.

One thing is guaranteed: it will make money, because of the brand.

 

[obredaan]

Except Rogue One looks a complete mess now they have a new director and a new music director because Disney doesn't like the movie they made.
What matters is that you produce an agreed vision between studio and production team.

Just bring in a company that edits trailers and have them do the work on Star Wars. It worked for WB.

Also those Rogue One stories are still just rumors. Similar to all the rumors about BvS and SS being a mess behind the scenes. Lets not assume that these rumors are true...at least until we've seen the film.