Discussion in 'Misc. Films' started by johnsonuk, Apr 15, 2006.
Are you serious?
From the script Le Chiffre talking to a retired croatian general at a poker game. Le Chiffre: "My dear general, weeping blood comes merely from a derangement of the tear duct. Nothing sinister." The general still blanches at this comment.
What the heck? Did they make up this eye scar and tears of blood just for the movie? I don't recall it in the book
Well that's pretty...quirky, I guess. I'll wait and see how it works on screen before saying anything.
yeah crying at the poker table is really gonna show us how bad le chiffre heh
a bigger better quality pic..http://latinoreview.com/filmpreview_image.php?id=5048
Is it only me or does he look more like a villain in the bad quality picture? His hair look more reddish and a tad Hitlerian and his skin looks paler in the "old" pic.
I would of much rather preferred him to have no scar and look as realistic as possible. I mean, isn't that what the producers want? A realstic Bond, a new,s serious take on the iconic character...So why have the villain wear some cheesy scar makeup and bring us right back to square one.
Bond's villains need to be somewhat physically monstrous, they are not "realistic", not completely anyway, a part of them belongs to the mythical realm. Their physical oddity is an illustration of their moral depravity. No Bond fan should have a problem with Le Chiffre looking weird and/or ugly, but maybe the scar wasn't the best idea.
There's a difference between bringing Bond down-to-earth and losing everything that makes Bond "Bond" in the first place. Bond, even at his most realistic, has always featured what I refer to as "elements of the bizarre."
The Ian Fleming novels, which CASINO ROYALE hearkens to, were pretty down-to-earth and very serious. However, they always featured "elements of the bizarre," ranging from individual personality quirks to weird settings. One such item has been the physical deformity of villains, which was a standard Fleming element. Physical deformity reflected the moral deformity of the characters.
Make no mistake, CASINO ROYALE is a very grounded adventure (moreso than anything since LICENCE TO KILL), but it does have little touches here and there of Bondian flair. Which is precisely how it should be.
I like the look. He has the look of a classic Bond villain. I hope it works out.
seriously how many bond baddies have had facial disfigurements?
and now chiffre...i know its bond and all, but audience is going to walk in and and see scar dude #x and be all "oh snap that's the villain"
That's exactly what they want the audience to think.
Why? Having distorted faces on villains doesn't make them any more sinister, yet it does make it a bit more hard to believe and cheesier. I mean, seriously, why does every villain have to have a jacked up face. I think Zao and 006 both had scars, yet they were obtained during the film, making it believable.
But seriously, the scary thing about evil is that it can come in any form. It raises the element of suprise, which would be a nice little change from the current style of Bond Films.
006 is warrented..it sets up why he hates James so much.
Didn't Sanchez have scared face?
Yeah I just saw the picture.
coudn't have said it better myself
A difformed villain is an archetype, and it is an archetype that was used both in Bond films and in the original Bond novels, where the badguy was usually ugly to an operatic degree. It has a symbolic/metaphorical reasonance. Their body have to be distorted because their soul is. Thinking about it, I find the scar in the eyes quite relevant and pretty acurate with the Bond tradition. Largo had an eye patch and Blofeld's scar was surrounding his eye. Besides, the eye very often in fiction represents the genitals, and a destroyed/hurted eye represents castration. Since in CR Bond is tortured by Le Chiffre on his genitals, and since Lie Chiffre like many Bond adversary is seemingly sexually impotent/inadequate, I think the wounded eye works quite well. Is it simplistic symbolism? Yes it is. But Fleming used simplistic symbolism, and so did the people adapting his work to the cinema.
What the frak?
That sorry little freak is gonna be in a Bond film?
I find it ironic that some complaint about Le Chiffre having some bizarre physical traits (like most of the Bond villains, and probably all the novel Bond villains) and nobody ever complained that they always cast stunning women as Bond girls. It's a cliché too! But it is a cliché that works properly in the Bond universe.
i think the beautiful woman thing is different though
beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and there are some out there who might find some bond girls undeserving of the title, or rate others higher than certain ones
however, with ugliness/deformities its a more universal definition...plus with the bond girls the BAD ones were hot too, not just the good ones. with the bond baddies who are men, you can bet that they won't be as handsome (especially when you have a james bond in your movie)
on the other hand, i like things like scaramanga's 3rd nipple, as it was more subtle and not in your face like largo's eyepatch
i like the pic, and i doubt we'll be disappointed with the results of the film, its gonna kick ass!