First Avenger Is this the same costume or 2 different costumes?

[Surfer]

Hi,

Please bare with me as this is my 1st thread.

I was wondering what everyone thinks. Are the 2 concept art pieces of the same WWII Cap costume (meaning the new concept art shown on the left is just a revised version of the original concept art shown on the right), or is the original concept art piece of a modern day Cap costume and the new concept art is of WWII Cap? Now I just need to figure out how to set up a poll. Thanks!

Surfer

 

[Shivsguy616]

The right is an earlier concept, but they're both for the same costume.

 

[Surfer]

Well I have heard many people say different things, so I just thought we should put it to a poll and see what most people thought.

Surfer

 

[Shivsguy616]

Fair enough.

 

[Rage]

I think that the first picture released was a concept for the current day Captain America costume and the recent artwork is the cobbled together version that Steve makes during WWII

 

[Surfer]

Wow, so far this is alot closer then I thought it would be.

Surfer

 

[The Infernal]

They're are both so similar that the differences could be said to be negligible. Fairly sure they're the same, just with a few tweaks. Though I could see how some think that the right, earlier concept, was the modern outfit since it still looks pristine and gives the effect it could have been made out of a different material than the later concept.

 

[Galactus123]

They are 2 different costumes. Costume on the right is too futuristic to be WWII costume.

 

[afan]

The design is exactly the same right down to the seams......only the materials have changed.

 

[Norm3]

I hope we get to see an updated version. I want the wings too!

 

[BrlntDsgse]

The design is exactly the same right down to the seams......only the materials have changed.

On the contrary, it's clear that there are more differences than just the leather/denim-ish look of the material in the new concept pic. To clarify my point, here's a list of all the differences I see....


- The older pic has a full neck area to the outfit, extending up under the helmet, while the newer pic shows a collar that is not attached to the helmet, and even buttons up in the front.

- The older pic has Cap's ears covered with the black piece that the helmet strap attaches to, while the newer pic has the ears exposed.

- While the older pic shows a helmet with a strap that goes just BEHIND the chin, where it meets the neck; the new pic shows the straps attached to the little "cup" directly ON the chin.

- The belt in the old pic with it's more modern, "techy" looking buckle is clearly not the same as the traditional buckle seen in the newer pic.

- The boots in the new pic, while they look the same or similar to the ones in the older pic, still do not have the reddish "cuff" at the top where they meet the pants, as in the old image.

- The white sleeves in the older pic go under the gloves, while in the newer one the sleeves cover the gloves.

- The somewhat "techy" look of the seamlines in the older pic is mostly gone except for the center chest area. The abdominal area still has the same vertical seams, but not the diagonal ones you can see between them in the older pic. Also, this new one doesn't have the same seamwork on the legs as the VERY modern looking seams on the legs in the older pic.

Now while all these differences are relatively minor, they are still differences in DESIGN, not just differences of material. And, there is also one MAJOR difference....

- The upper torso/shoulder harness area is totally different. The straps in the old pic: Black. In the newer one: Blue. Also, the newer pic doesn't have remotely the same shoulder pads as the older pic. In fact it doesn't seem to be any kind of shoulder pad at all, just a flap of blue fabric that goes down the sleeves.

All of the differences lead me to believe that we are looking at 2 different designs for pre- and post- freeze Cap.

 

[Surfer]

I found this persons blog on the event in the Thor forum, but what I find interesting are the areas I highlighted in red. It makes you think that perhaps that 1st concept art costume is the same as the 2nd concept art costume, but it could just mean that they have not shown the modern costume in any live footage as well. Not sure what to make of it.

Surfer



Dana Vinson:
Here we go, Captain America trailer
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:47 Dana Vinson
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Dana Vinson:
Starts out with footage from World War II...
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:47 Dana Vinson
6:47

Dana Vinson:
And now the famous Captain America shield!
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:47 Dana Vinson
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Dana Vinson:
"Next Summer, Meet the World's First Avenger"
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:48 Dana Vinson
6:48

Dana Vinson:
and then we get a quick look at Captain America. End of trailer!
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:48 Dana Vinson
6:49

Dana Vinson:
Now they're bringing out the director of Captain America, Joe Johnston
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:49 Dana Vinson
6:50

Dana Vinson:
"We have one chance to tell the origin story of Captain America." Johnston
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:50 Dana Vinson
6:50

Dana Vinson:
Chris Evans is out on stage now...Captain America himself!
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:50 Dana Vinson
6:51

Dana Vinson:
Evans has only been shooting for five days he says, "The Suit is fantastic."
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:51 Dana Vinson
6:52

Dana Vinson:
Hugo Weaving, who plays The Red Skull, spend a lot of time studying the German accent, but won't do it for us right now in this panel.
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:52 Dana Vinson
6:52

Dana Vinson:
Evans also played the human torch in the Fantastic Four.
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:52 Dana Vinson
6:53

Dana Vinson:
Also, just for the record, Chris Evans's shoulders are out of control muscular.
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:53 Dana Vinson
6:53

Dana Vinson:
They're very Captain America.
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:53 Dana Vinson
6:54

Dana Vinson:
"We're going slightly more modern than the old Captain America," Johnston said in regards to the suit.
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:54 Dana Vinson
6:54

Dana Vinson:
What we saw in the trailer was just a little snippet from the costume test. The final suit has not been revealed yet. Chris Evans hasn't filmed in it yet.
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:54 Dana Vinson
6:56

Dana Vinson:
"If we don't love Steve Rogers before he gets transformed, we're not going to love him after," Johnston said.
Saturday July 24, 2010 6:56 Dana Vinson

 

[Rage]

Good points BrlntDsgse! Although there could be shoulder pads on the new illustration... the shoulder positioning doesn't allow for us to see them though.

Great find Surfer! There is hope we get wings yet ;D

 

[wobbly]

It makes sense his WW2 costume would be simpler than his modern day version, so I think we are seeing concept art for both.

The first looks like stylised materials from the 40's period (cottons, leathers etc)
The 2nd is in a style (modern patterning and styling indicating the thing might be armoured, etc) that would clearly only be made in modern times. It would simply look entirely out of place in a WW2 setting.

 

[Boom]

Based on the action figure released at Comic Con, I'm guessing that the picture on the right is Captain America's present day costume, with the picture on the left being his WWII suit.

 

[Norm3]

Any pictures?

 

[Boom]

The First Avenger: Captain America - 3inch Exclusive Preview of the new series from Hasbro

It's an action figure of the right picture.

 

[Norm3]

Thanx, I'm not wild about the way it looks like a mask pulled above his nose.

 

[Amazing Afroman]

They are clearly two different, albiet similar, designs. I would hope that the left would be what we see as his WWII costume with the right being the modern update, but we'll see. It could just be that they're two different artists' interpretations on the final design.

At the same time, after seeing pics of the silver, not white, on the official movie used shield, I'm starting to think that in the end the costume could be something slightly different than either of these.

 

[cryptic name]

Hi,

Please bare with me as this is my 1st thread.

I was wondering what everyone thinks. Are the 2 concept art pieces of the same WWII Cap costume (meaning the new concept art shown on the left is just a revised version of the original concept art shown on the right), or is the original concept art piece of a modern day Cap costume and the new concept art is of WWII Cap? Now I just need to figure out how to set up a poll. Thanks!

Surfer

the pic on the right definitely looks like shield went in and remade the suit from the pic on the left using modern materials. i'm hoping that's the way it works out because that's an awesome costume evolution.

 

[Brian Braddock]

On the contrary, it's clear that there are more differences than just the leather/denim-ish look of the material in the new concept pic. To clarify my point, here's a list of all the differences I see....


- The older pic has a full neck area to the outfit, extending up under the helmet, while the newer pic shows a collar that is not attached to the helmet, and even buttons up in the front.

- The older pic has Cap's ears covered with the black piece that the helmet strap attaches to, while the newer pic has the ears exposed.

- While the older pic shows a helmet with a strap that goes just BEHIND the chin, where it meets the neck; the new pic shows the straps attached to the little "cup" directly ON the chin.

- The belt in the old pic with it's more modern, "techy" looking buckle is clearly not the same as the traditional buckle seen in the newer pic.

- The boots in the new pic, while they look the same or similar to the ones in the older pic, still do not have the reddish "cuff" at the top where they meet the pants, as in the old image.

- The white sleeves in the older pic go under the gloves, while in the newer one the sleeves cover the gloves.

- The somewhat "techy" look of the seamlines in the older pic is mostly gone except for the center chest area. The abdominal area still has the same vertical seams, but not the diagonal ones you can see between them in the older pic. Also, this new one doesn't have the same seamwork on the legs as the VERY modern looking seams on the legs in the older pic.

Now while all these differences are relatively minor, they are still differences in DESIGN, not just differences of material. And, there is also one MAJOR difference....

- The upper torso/shoulder harness area is totally different. The straps in the old pic: Black. In the newer one: Blue. Also, the newer pic doesn't have remotely the same shoulder pads as the older pic. In fact it doesn't seem to be any kind of shoulder pad at all, just a flap of blue fabric that goes down the sleeves.

All of the differences lead me to believe that we are looking at 2 different designs for pre- and post- freeze Cap.

^This.

And a sincere 'thank you' to you - saved me a lot of typing.

 

[afan]

Why would modern day Cap need a cartridge belt?

Still believe that the first image we saw is the concept for the film, the second is not a concept, it is the suit he will wear; the alterations were made simply to better represent the period.
IMO modern day Cap in suspenders is not "modern" in the least.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I'm not up on terminology - what do mean by cartridge belt?

Do you literally mean his belt with the pouches? Because he's been drawn with a belt and pouches as recently as Seige.

 

[wobbly]

Why would modern day Cap need a cartridge belt?

Still believe that the first image we saw is the concept for the film, the second is not a concept, it is the suit he will wear; the alterations were made simply to better represent the period.
IMO modern day Cap in suspenders is not "modern" in the least.

He could keep all sorts of things in that belt. Doesn't have to be bullets.
Re: the 'suspenders'. Well 'Braces' would be a more fitting term and the way they are designed into the rest of the suit (Molded directly into the shoulder pieces) is very modern (the 'braces' actually serve a function in keeping the shoulder pieces in place).

Personally I do not think the modern suit (assuming we are right...) would fit at all in a WWII setting. Too much of it looks like something that would be made in this era and not something anyone would come up with over 60 years ago. The second action pic does fit in with that era.

 

[Original Spawn]

They seem like the same costume.