Isaiah Thomas Okay With Black Men Calling Sistas' "*****es"

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

so, then black people that listen to rap will instinctively become exactly like the characters that rappers play?
gee...that explains all the dudes dressed like Andre 3000 I saw the other day.

no wait, I didn't.
I also fail to see how "we" ( the kids raised in the 80's) were poisoned by the music we saw, which was just as filled with misogyny as any rap video, I mean, try to see a hair Metal video were a girl is treated respectfully, you will hard pressed.
and none of the chicks I grew up with took to licking guitars ( or *****) out of nowhere, sure, some of them got pregnant, but guess what?
nowhere near as many as back in the 70's ( yeah it happened in the "gold old days too!!! GASP!) and me? well, I treat women respectfully, heck! no complaints from any girl I've dated, and never have I strolled around like David Lee Roth casually groping all the women I saw, or sticking my tongue out suggestively ala Gene Simmons.
I mean, it's not like every kid in the 80's dressed like this:

gee why was that?

but then, I didn't try to save the world from the evil forces of Cobra either.
you know why?
because I knew from a very early age television was makebelieve!
oh my gawd! insight only middle class white kids have!
"just because something is being done on television, doesn't men I have to do it!"

wait, no, everyone knows that. regardless of race.
aren't you giving the young people very little credit?
if they do something it's because they want to do it and their parents are too stupid too busy, or too self involved to tell them not to.

despite our differences on the other topic, mr. sparkle comes with the truth on this one.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Sure, that in no way has anything to do with the "progress" the hip-hop culture -- or its product -- has made.

SentinelMind, if you'll learn to quote properly, I might spend some time to debate you.

If BET was as influenced by white corporations as you claim, we'd have already heard about it from disgruntled BET employees. They seem to be able to brunt the majority of the blame, why can't you accept that?

Progress????? We have more pimps. More Hos. More Bling......and more glorification of drugs and alcohol.

What universe do you live in?

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

Progress????? We have more pimps. More Hos. More Bling......and more glorification of drugs and alcohol.

What universe do you live in?

You only have black people to blame for that, not all of us that bling mentality, but its provoked by the black media and unfortunately young blacks eat that garbage up.

 

[terry78]

The youth embrace whatever is the rebellious thing at the moment. Unfortunately too many of them take it literally.

 

[jaguarr]

no, i am not. i am white, but i'm not from the "burbs".

and no, i'm not "ghetto". i'm not a "thug", i'm not a "gangsta", and i don't think that i am.

but i know where i came from. and it wasn't the "burbs"

And you've still not disproven the point of my original statement.

jag

 

[Steve Rogers]

The youth embrace whatever is the rebellious thing at the moment. Unfortunately too many of them take it literally.

Yup. And that is the problem. It's not about age, media, color, music or anything else that is being blamed in this thread. It's about people too ignorant to recognize the difference between fantasy and reality.

 

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071002/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_knicks_thomas_harassment_suit

He's been found guilty of sexual harrassment. This thing just keeps blowing up in his face, don't it?

 

[Sloth7d]

Progress????? We have more pimps. More Hos. More Bling......and more glorification of drugs and alcohol.

What universe do you live in?

But you can't blame the problems society as a whole have soley on hip hop. Pimps, drugs, and alcohol? They were a big problem before rap even became popular, and is not soley a problem because of it.
Let's not forget alcohol is widely accepted in our culture already, which plenty of other genres of music glorify more than rap. Can't see what you have against "bling". There are a lot of better things to complain about than something as trivial as that.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Progress????? We have more pimps. More Hos. More Bling......and more glorification of drugs and alcohol.

What universe do you live in?

Incorrect. The most widespread use of drugs in mainstream and popular culture was in the sixties and seventies. The highest rates of sexually related crimes, including prostitution, was in the seventies.

And Pimps, drugs and ho's, and their glorification, are hardly a product of rap music.

 

[jaguarr]

The youth embrace whatever is the rebellious thing at the moment. Unfortunately too many of them take it literally.

Yup. And that is the problem. It's not about age, media, color, music or anything else that is being blamed in this thread. It's about people too ignorant to recognize the difference between fantasy and reality.

Truth.

jag

 

[Steve Rogers]

But you can't blame the problems society as a whole have soley on hip hop. Pimps, drugs, and alcohol? They were a big problem before rap even became popular, and is not soley a problem because of it.
Let's not forget alcohol is widely accepted in our culture already, which plenty of other genres of music glorify more than rap. Can't see what you have against "bling". There are a lot of better things to complain about than something as trivial as that.

That's true. There have been a lot of rock and country musicians who have either ruined their lives with drugs and alcohol or ended their lives. I can't think of a rapper who drank himself to death or OD'ed on drugs off the top of my head. But I can think of a crapload of other musicians that have.

 

[jaguarr]

Jimmy Buffet has done more to promote alcoholism than any other entertainer alive except for maybe Sammy Hagar who has sort of turned into Neo-Jimmy Buffet. Buffet owns a chain of restaurants called Margaritaville, for crying out loud (and Hagar has his own tequila label).

jag

 

[Steve Rogers]

Cabo Wabo

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That's true. There have been a lot of rock and country musicians who have either ruined their lives with drugs and alcohol or ended their lives. I can't think of a rapper who drank himself to death or OD'ed on drugs off the top of my head. But I can think of a crapload of other musicians that have.

yea, alcohol isn't as prevelant in rap music as it is in other genres. and the only drug use that rap music "promotes" is marijuana, which really isn't that bad anyways and i personally feel should be legal.

as far as how rappers die, they might not od, they are just too busy shooting each other in drive by's =)

i kid, i kid. i love my rap music =)

now, since i listen to all of this corrupting rap music, i'm going to go out and pimp, and sell drugs, and kill people, because rap music told me to.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And you've still not disproven the point of my original statement.

jag

what, that i am a white kid from the burbs?

this is the internet, how exactly do you expect me to do that? obviously my word isn't good enough for you, and i really don't care about your opinion enough to have to prove myself, because you've shown me in our previous encounters that any attempt is wasted on you, because you've got your mind made up already.

 

[Steve Rogers]

now, since i listen to all of this corrupting rap music, i'm going to go out and pimp, and sell drugs, and kill people, because rap music told me to.

I prefer metal, so I'm gonna go worship Satan now.

 

[jaguarr]

what, that i am a white kid from the burbs?

this is the internet, how exactly do you expect me to do that? obviously my word isn't good enough for you, and i really don't care about your opinion enough to have to prove myself, because you've shown me in our previous encounters that any attempt is wasted on you, because you've got your mind made up already.

That wasn't the point of my original statement (which in reality really didn't have much to do with you specifically).

jag

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That's true. There have been a lot of rock and country musicians who have either ruined their lives with drugs and alcohol or ended their lives. I can't think of a rapper who drank himself to death or OD'ed on drugs off the top of my head. But I can think of a crapload of other musicians that have.

Most musician live in excess because their lifestyle and income allows for it. They have little responsiblity. However to think that they are 'corrupting' the youth is absurd. It's simply another attempt to skirt personal parenting problems under the rug.

 

[jaguarr]

Most musician live in excess because their lifestyle and income allows for it. They have little responsiblity. However to think that they are 'corrupting' the youth is absurd. It's simply another attempt to skirt personal parenting problems under the rug.

Errr....most musicians make very little money off of their art (often losing money instead) and have to hold down another "regular" job in order to be able to pay rent and bills and eat. What you're talking about is recording artists that have made it big and sold a lot of records, merchandise, concert tickets and made endorsement deals. Totally different animal. I'm a musician, but believe me I'm not living in excess.

jag

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Most musician live in excess because their lifestyle and income allows for it. They have little responsiblity. However to think that they are 'corrupting' the youth is absurd. It's simply another attempt to skirt personal parenting problems under the rug.

we have a winner!!!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That wasn't the point of my original statement (which in reality really didn't have much to do with you specifically).

jag

this?

Given all the white kids in the 'burbs (like Neil, for example) that listen to these rappers' albums, I'd say their potentially damaging effects and examples have a much farther reach than just young black kids.

i have already expressed my views on the "damaging effects" of rap music, and expressed that i believe the effects are minimal, and that it's up to parenting and personal responsibility, not the lyrics of rap music.

and it's kind of hard to say that it didn't have much to do with my specifically, when you pointed me out specifically, in your example (and got my name wrong in the process - it's neLL2thaizzay, not neIL2thaizzay)

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Errr....most musicians make very little money off of their art (often losing money instead) and have to hold down another "regular" job in order to be able to pay rent and bills and eat. What you're talking about is recording artists that have made it big and sold a lot of records, merchandise, concert tickets and made endorsement deals. Totally different animal. I'm a musician, but believe me I'm not living in excess.

jag

i think he is obviously talking about artists who have made it big, and do have some kind of "impact" on the general population.

 

[jaguarr]

this?



i have already expressed my views on the "damaging effects" of rap music, and expressed that i believe the effects are minimal, and that it's up to parenting and personal responsibility, not the lyrics of rap music.

and it's kind of hard to say that it didn't have much to do with my specifically, when you pointed me out specifically, in your example (and got my name wrong in the process - it's neLL2thaizzay, not neIL2thaizzay)

Yeah, you're still missing the overarching point.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

i think he is obviously talking about artists who have made it big, and do have some kind of "impact" on the general population.

Didn't I just say that in my post that you are responding to?

jag