Israel Plans to Pay for All of Its Young Ladies' Abortions in 2014

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

American conservatives love, love, love Israel. They also hate, hate, hate abortion and socialized medicine. American conservatives face one hell of a moral conundrum in the new year.
Via Ha'aretz:

Israel will pay for abortions for women aged 20 to 33 regardless of circumstance starting next year, health officials said Monday, adding that they hope to make eligibility for state funding universal in the future....
The new rule opens it up for 6,300 more women to have a state-funded abortion next year, at a cost of about 16 million shekels ($4.6 million). The cost of all state-subsidized abortions is estimated at 24 million shekels a year.
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Officials ultimately aim to fund all abortions as part of the Jewish state's publicly subsidized "health basket" for citizens, as well as offering full contraceptive coverage—but for now, they'll stand pat on this plan to bankroll abortions for young women, Ha'aretz reports.
"It was brought to our attention that there is a large group of women between 20 and 40 who for various reasons – financial or reasons of secrecy – do not terminate pregnancies," a state health official explained in a press conference. "In the current basket we've approved funding for pregnancy termination for women in the 20-to-33 age group, with the intention of completing the process ... and raising the age to 40."
This will be a tough cookie for the mostly evangelical philo-Semites of the American Right. Consider Sarah Palin—who, admittedly, is an idiot, but still gets straight-faced praise in some conservative circles. She's a Pentecostal who's sworn to combat "the atrocity of abortion" and decried Obamacare as "the biggest advance of the abortion industry in America." She's also visited the Holy Land, made a cottage industry of "defending our friends in Israel," and told Israelis to stop "apologizing all the time" for doing their thang.
There's no been no comment yet from Palin and her fellow antichoice Zionists on Eretz Yisrael's abortions for its chosen people. Of course, it's possible the conservatives' brains just exploded.

Haha your move Republicans t:

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'd be more worried about certain conservative groups in Israel than Republicans.

I'd be royally ticked if they started making me pay for abortions.

 

[KevanG]

That's interesting. I hope no one decides to take a more radical route to oppose this.

 

[Anita18]

Haha your move Republicans t:

LOL this'll be fun.

 

[Teelie]

I've always found that dichotomy interesting. Most conservative Republicans are Evangelical Christians and yet they are against the definition of Christ. You know the guy who said to love thy neighbor, to help the sick and the poor. Not to live a greedy, selfish life, etc? Most of them aren't like that even as they profess their faith in his teachings if the revulsion to universal health care, welfare and other public assistance programs as well as their free-for-all, cut-throat business ethics and the fact they covet wealth are any indicator.

Now abortion is a very touchy subject by itself even if it included in the overall healthcare spectrum (and there's so much I could say on it) but given their attitude with the US' attempt to give all Americans healthcare I'll be interested in their spin on this.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Good for them. At least some countries are realizing that it's the 21st century.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yes because aborting fetuses is a sign of how advanced a civilization is.

 

[Warhammer]

This thread...

 

[KevanG]

I've always found that dichotomy interesting. Most conservative Republicans are Evangelical Christians and yet they are against the definition of Christ. You know the guy who said to love thy neighbor, to help the sick and the poor. Not to live a greedy, selfish life, etc? Most of them aren't like that even as they profess their faith in his teachings if the revulsion to universal health care, welfare and other public assistance programs as well as their free-for-all, cut-throat business ethics and the fact they covet wealth are any indicator.

Now abortion is a very touchy subject by itself even if it included in the overall healthcare spectrum (and there's so much I could say on it) but given their attitude with the US' attempt to give all Americans healthcare I'll be interested in their spin on this.

Shh don't point out the hypocrisy. They'll get angry and confused and start screaming about gay marriage.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

And the moral decay, don't forget the moral decay.

 

[Teelie]

Yes because aborting fetuses is a sign of how advanced a civilization is.

When you take a complex subject like this and turn it into something so simple you fail to prove anything.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Personally I see the very demand for elective abortions as indicative of societal problems.

Though my position does assume that there is something morally... wrong about destroying human life. Obviously not everyone shares that.

Still, even as a non-moral issue, I would think that few people want to have abortions, if they can otherwise avoid it (cost and what not).

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Thundercrack at what point is it a human life? Do all the sperm men waste while *********ing count? Do women's unused eggs shed every 30 days count? At what point does a cell become a human?

 

[Teelie]

That's where it gets complicated. Abortions are controversial because you define human life starting at one point and others define it as starting at another. Then you have the issue of when its appropriate to do so, and then why it should/shouldn't be done. And inbetween those cracks are those circumstances that are exceptions one way or another. What if the baby will have severe deformities? What if it was a result of rape or incest? What about when the mother is brain dead or otherwise incapable of concious thought? Do you use her as a living incubator until the baby is born or do you just let it and her die naturally?

There's an endless list of reasons this is not a cut and dry keep/don't keep a pregnancy issue and it's very sensitive when you thrown in religious/moral issues.

 

[Warhammer]

Thundercrack at what point is it a human life? Do all the sperm men waste while *********ing count? Do women's unused eggs shed every 30 days count? At what point does a cell become a human?

I'm pretty sure very few people on this entire planet believe that either of those are considered human life.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Thundercrack at what point is it a human life? Do all the sperm men waste while *********ing count? Do women's unused eggs shed every 30 days count? At what point does a cell become a human?

There is a hell of a difference between a fetus and a sperm and an egg.

I assume you know that, and are simply being facetious in an attempt to make a point.

I don't care much for the "just a bundle of cells" argument, because all humans (in the womb, or outside the womb, or in the ground) are just a bundle of cells.

 

[Doctor Evo]

There is a hell of a difference between a fetus and a sperm and an egg.

I assume you know that, and are simply being facetious in an attempt to make a point.

I don't care much for the "just a bundle of cells" argument, because all humans (in the womb, or outside the womb, or in the ground) are just a bundle of cells.

There was nothing facetious about what he said.

 

[Thundercrack85]

There was nothing facetious about what he said.

Comparing a fetus being aborted to sperm being *********ed is not being facetious?

 

[Xeno]

That's interesting. I hope no one decides to take a more radical route to oppose this.

You mean like here in the US, where some people kill the born to oppose abortion? There's no hypocrisy (or viciousness, or hatefulness) in that.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Comparing a fetus being aborted to sperm being *********ed is not being facetious?

What exactly do you think that word means?

 

[Thundercrack85]

What exactly do you think that word means?

Flippant attitude, smart guy.

 

[Feenix]

The decision to abort should never be taken lightly, and yet I have friends who have gone at least twice to abort. The problem that I have is that these women are clearly not protecting themselves. If you don't want a kid and you take every necessary precaution not to have one (birth control, condoms, diaphragms, etc), and you still get pregnant, I have no problem with abortion. I would do it, too because I don't want kids.

But, if you're not even making an effort to be safe and you get pregnant over and over, then I would support sterilization above anything else.

Forcing women to have kids they clearly don't want is going to make a mess for everyone later on when that kid turns into a criminal.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Flippant attitude, smart guy.

Not quite.

 

[Xeno]

The decision to abort should never be taken lightly, and yet I have friends who have gone at least twice to abort. The problem that I have is that these women are clearly not protecting themselves. If you don't want a kid and you take every necessary precaution not to have one (birth control, condoms, diaphragms, etc), and you still get pregnant, I have no problem with abortion. I would do it, too because I don't want kids.

But, if you're not even making an effort to be safe and you get pregnant over and over, then I would support sterilization above anything else.

Forcing women to have kids they clearly don't want is going to make a mess for everyone later on when that kid turns into a criminal.

While I agree that women should only abort as a last resort, sterilization should be a personal choice, as well. In some cases multiple abortions are preferable to a woman having many children she doesn't want, can't care for or should not have (because of mental illness, addiction, etc.). Also, some women are just unlucky or super-fertile. A dear friend of mine had four unplanned pregnancies, the last two despite using two forms of birth control. She had all the babies, happily so, but it's been a struggle for her and her husband to support their family.


I wouldn't have an abortion unless it were a matter of life or death, but I would never deny that choice to any other woman. Until I can walk in another woman's shoes I'm not going to judge anyone's choices and motives.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

There is a hell of a difference between a fetus and a sperm and an egg.

I assume you know that, and are simply being facetious in an attempt to make a point.

I don't care much for the "just a bundle of cells" argument, because all humans (in the womb, or outside the womb, or in the ground) are just a bundle of cells.

I wasn't being a smart***, it's a valid question. Both are part of the whole, you couldn't have one without the other. At what point do you consider it a human life? Is it alive and human the second it undergoes mitosis? When exactly does the fetus gain it's "soul"?

And in all fairness I do consider myself a Christian and while I support anyone's right to choose, I personally would never abort a child if I had the means to take care of said child.