it's official batman has a son.

[Speedball]

i'm fine with batman having a son, as long as he's brought in right. I think it would be nice change.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's the thing, though; how's it a change? He has 2--arguably 3--sons already.

Are you even reading DC titles? Hes not like that anymore since after the Crisis, Joe Chill has been caught as his parents killer. One of the main reasons hes much nicer now.

false. he became batman to prevent it from happpening to others. and bruce was never traumatized, he became vengeful. and how did he never grew up? it makes him more of man then any of us, to do what he does. and im pretty sure if your parents were shot right in front of you you'll be traumatized as well,so that point is moot.

Thanks.

 

[Hush]

Still think its a good idea. I just want to see how he reacts to his own flesh and blood being revealed. I guess I really just want to see BRUCE WAYNE react to it. Not Batman but bruce. Considering i dont remember the last time I saw bruce in the comics. does that make sense???

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not really. I don't draw the huge distinction between Bruce Wayne and Batman some do. They're the same man, and he's every bit "the real Bruce Wayne" every time he's sitting in the Batcave alone. You could look at his confrontation with Harvey Dent in the current arc as a Bruce Wayne moment, too. That had the distinct air of Bruce Wayne making an impassioned plea to his friend to give him some sign that he could still believe in him while Batman part of his brain was adding up all the evidence that damned Harvey.

Anyway, I got side-tracked but I was basically saying that however Batman reacts, that's how Bruce Wayne is reacting. And I also think it'd be a betrayal of the character to have him really draw a huge distinction between the new kid and Dick, whom he's always treated as 100% his son, period, simply because the former has his genes.

 

[Hush]

Well to each his own. I guess I will bite my tongue if this sucks or I will simply be pleased if its good. Either way im not passing up Kubert art on bats. Its just to good to be true. lol. I mean really the art looks very nice, i personally believe people should buy this for the art. I have faith in Morrison and Kubert. By the way Corp i do see what you are saying. I just prefer my views.naturally.lol.

 

[Rambo, John J]

Not really. I don't draw the huge distinction between Bruce Wayne and Batman some do. They're the same man, and he's every bit "the real Bruce Wayne" every time he's sitting in the Batcave alone. You could look at his confrontation with Harvey Dent in the current arc as a Bruce Wayne moment, too. That had the distinct air of Bruce Wayne making an impassioned plea to his friend to give him some sign that he could still believe in him while Batman part of his brain was adding up all the evidence that damned Harvey.

Anyway, I got side-tracked but I was basically saying that however Batman reacts, that's how Bruce Wayne is reacting. And I also think it'd be a betrayal of the character to have him really draw a huge distinction between the new kid and Dick, whom he's always treated as 100% his son, period, simply because the former has his genes.

Exactly. When written well, there shouldn't be any real distinction between Bats and Bruce. See Andersen Gabrych, Ed Brubaker, Jeph Loeb, Denny O'Neill and others for good examples of this.

However, many writers who (IMO) really should know better choose to write him as a dual personified maniac with little to no control. I'm glad that DC acknowledged this with the ending of crisis and that future stories are going to have a 'Bruce Wayne: Batman' feel.

A great story showing how Bruce is always Batman (and vice versa) was Devin Grayson's final issue in Gotham Knights. Issue 32 I think it was. Y'all should check it out.

 

[Rambo, John J]

All of this stuff about how having an 'actual' son should change Batman strikes me as silly. If you can read some of the stuff that Dick and Bruce have been through together and still somehow manage to not consider Dick Bruce's actual son, I think I must be reading different comics from the rest of you. If anything, I imagine the stuff they do with the relationship between Bruce and his new son will basically just be rehashed stuff that they did with Dick a long time ago. Bruce has a son already and his name is Dick Grayson. Blood doesn't change that, and I certainly don't believe blood would somehow make Bruce love this new kid more or raise him differently from Dick.

You're saying that finding out that he (Bruce) has an actual flesh and blood son that he hasn't known about isn't going to change him? At the very least, it'll knock him for a loop. It doesn't take from the fact that Grayson is his adopted son, nor does it presuppose that Batman will love this biological son more than Nightwing or indeed Robin but it certainly does raise a new dynamic in the Batman family.

Ask any father who's happily married with wife and kids what happens when their son/ daughter that they didn't know about suddenly shows up on their doorstep.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I get that, but after the initial shock wears off there's nothing they could really do with the new kid that they haven't done with Dick or Jason or Tim, blood or no blood.

 

[LadyVader]

I hate this kid already. Hitting Batman like that.

 

[sethcohen]

why are all the colorists coloring batman blue and grey again? i thought it was like dark blue/black and grey? ugh... i hate the blue as much as i hate the raised superman S

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's sad that Robin's costume is now darker than Batman's.

 

[Darthphere]

The light tones are symbolic of the new nicer Batman.....

 

[sethcohen]

ya i get that... but for a guy who uses stealth to his advantage (especially at night) bright blue doesnt make much sense... his mission is to strike fear into the hearts of criminals... them being a "cowardly and superstitious lot"

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The light tones are symbolic of the new nicer Batman.....

That's a stupid symbol, then. He's still a guy who skulks about in shadows, even if he is willing to give people second chances these days.

 

[Rambo, John J]

I get that, but after the initial shock wears off there's nothing they could really do with the new kid that they haven't done with Dick or Jason or Tim, blood or no blood.

True. I'm hoping they don't go down the 'Nightwing and Robin are jealous of Batman's new biological son' route. Nor do I wish to see a 'where were you when I was growing up, dad?' storyline.

I'd like it if the son showed up, and have him be as resolved, driven and mature as Bruce was as a child. Sort of a 'I have my own place in the world, dad, and it's not part of your mission. But I don't resent you for continuing to do what you do.'

Or something.

 

[Darthphere]

That's a stupid symbol, then. He's still a guy who skulks about in shadows, even if he is willing to give people second chances these days.

Im just saying.

 

[Rambo, John J]

That's a stupid symbol, then. He's still a guy who skulks about in shadows, even if he is willing to give people second chances these days.

Heh. Not to be deliberately argumentative, but if I recall correctly, dark blue and grey blend into nighttime shadows better than black.

But yeah, I dislike the blue cape and cowl also. On the plus side, it does harken back to the Neal Adams era...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

True. I'm hoping they don't go down the 'Nightwing and Robin are jealous of Batman's new biological son' route. Nor do I wish to see a 'where were you when I was growing up, dad?' storyline.

I'd like it if the son showed up, and have him be as resolved, driven and mature as Bruce was as a child. Sort of a 'I have my own place in the world, dad, and it's not part of your mission. But I don't resent you for continuing to do what you do.'

Or something.

Actually, I could see myself being satisfied with the story if the kid is introduced, has his obligatory tussle with Batman, then declares that he's following the path of the Demon's Head but doesn't really set himself up as a maniacal arch-nemesis for Bats. Just quietly decides that his path lies with Ra's and, although he respects and admires his father, the next time they meet it must be as enemies. I think that'd go a long way towards making him more implacable and unique among Batman's rogues, to have a great deal of respect for Batman's honor but to still be willing to kill him, though it would clearly break his heart, because he believes his mission supercedes even blood.

 

[Rambo, John J]

Again, for me it comes down to the issue of 'is it written well?'

Could be good. Could be crap. Time will tell.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I figured that goes without saying. Everything in comics comes down to how it's presented, ultimately.

 

[Tropico]

WTF?! Young Wolverine is gonna be in Batman?!?!?!?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, he does look like Jimmy Howlett.

 

[Assassin]

Those look good. Is one of the writers the same one who did the Crow?

thats james o barr

 

[Anubis]

I'm gonna tell you right now. If Morrison is writing this, then it will be nothing like anything we can possibly contemplate. You would have to be insane to be able to predict what he will do with this story. You would literally have to be locked up somewhere, eating your own feces and singing the "thong song" in a high pitched voice while *********ing furiously to images of dead kittens. So I can safely say that every guess so far of how this will play out is false.

 

[batnkevlar]

I'm gonna tell you right now. If Morrison is writing this, then it will be nothing like anything we can possibly contemplate. You would have to be insane to be able to predict what he will do with this story. You would literally have to be locked up somewhere, eating your own feces and singing the "thong song" in a high pitched voice while *********ing furiously to images of dead kittens. So I can safely say that every guess so far of how this will play out is false.

Must be Frank Miller you're thinking of...