It's your own fault...

[Man-Thing]

There seems to be a lot of threads lately of fanboys complaining about extended/director cut movies being released after the theatrical version. Their complaint is that they have already spent money on the theatrical version, but now they HAVE TO BUY the new version.

Excuse me for being so blunt, but I find this plight amusing and outrageously stupid. For one, you don't HAVE TO BUY anything except the essentials for life that you can't produce yourself ie food, liquids, shelter, clothing. Last time I checked having a particular edition of a movie isn't a "need" in life, but it is a "want". Your life will be no less hindered if you don't buy the "special edition directors extended cut" than if you don't have a water pik. You will get by just fine, and I'm 99.9999999999999999999999999% certain the sun will rise tomorrow if you don't buy the latest gollum statue.

Secondly, it's all about the Benjamin$. By saying it's "greedy" to release a certain cut of a movie only to make a profit is silly. Of course the object of releasing the alternative cut is to make a profit but that doesn't mean Peter Jackson or George Lucas are "greedy". Let's turn it around OK? Isn't it more greedy on our part to use our money buying a luxury item, when there are people starving in the world? Wouldn't that 35 bucks your using for a movie be better given to a charity? So unless your willing to give up watching movies all together, don't call them greedy if they are wanting to make a profit (which I'm sure you like to make).

In truth it is the exact opposite of greed. It is generosity, because the studios are delivering to the fans an alternate/longer edition for the die hard fans. Most people who buy director cuts/extended cuts ect. are people who have seen the original theactrical cut. They don't owe you anything for being a fan, but out of the goodness of their heart they decided to give this alternative movie to you to purchase at your discresion- so I think it's good not to complain about it. Would you rather they not make extended editions? Would you rather they ****de them all up for themselves?

And lastly, if this offends you, then (just as the title says) it's your own fault. As I type this, I am daydreaming about owning a ZO6 Corvette. I want one really bad, the thing is, it's not in my financial interests to buy one at the moment. One day, hopefully I can own one, but until then I'm NOT going to pitch a hissy fit over me not having such and such luxury item. It all boils down to it being my fault I don't have the means to purchase a Corvette. I'm sure if I put in more hard work and a better education I would be able to get it, but until I reach my financial goals it remains out of my grasp. In the end though, even through all of my wants, I am content with what I have now. I'm lucky enough to be able to buy some luxury items and while not having to make any sacrifices on to my material needs. This truth remains though, if you can't afford a paricular luxury item, it is because you haven't been succesful enough. Don't blame someone else for your shortcomings.

If you've complained over something as meaningless as a directors cut movie, then I'm sorry, but you are a spoiled brat. People like this, are in need of a reality check. Your wants don't equal a drop in the bucket to the needs of the world. Be thankful for what you have, instead of being a spoiled greedy brat.

Sorry, for the rant, it just kinda ticks me off. Everyday, when something goes wrong (and it usually does happen every day), I try to remind myself that even though I am upset, that there are millions of people far worse off than myself.

In the end, there's always netflix.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Your not completly wrong but I think it depends on the context of which DVDs are released. You take Sin City for example, it was pretty annoying that they released the special editon after the bare bones one, although in fairness that was a business move to release it during the christmas period when consumer spending is at it's peak, they still could have just released it anyways in the summer of last year when the bare bones one was out. But stuff like Lord of the Rings where there constantl re-releasing new edition is a bit ridiculous and personally I dont see how much more fans would want to see but its just sometimes they can tell a studio is milking a franchise in a booming retail sector like DVDs.

 

[Man-Thing]

You obviously didn't comprehend my post SL.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Did I have to? I'm mean it's only you in this thread.....

Besides not everyone can get netflix, think about the international audience. I was just speaking on the perspective of why people get annoyed with re-released special editon DVDs coming out after the movie is first on DVD and that includes Director's Cut. But with Director's Cut obviously I can understand why they cant happen for cinema releases but some people might feel that it could have been used but that's why DC's are used to debate movies in general

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Complaining about the complainers? I guess I could say something like "if you don't like to hear complaints, don't read them" which is similiar to "if you don't like special editions, don't buy them".

You're right, there are plenty of other things in the world to worry -- and thus complain -- about. So what was the point of your thread then?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Complaining about the complainers? I guess I could say something like "if you don't like to hear complaints, don't read them" which is similiar to "if you don't like special editions, don't buy them".

You're right, there are plenty of other things in the world to worry -- and thus complain -- about. So what was the point of your thread then?

To be fair to him everyone is reactive to people complaining regardless of what the issue is, especially on the internet with hyperbole. You could be complaining about complainers who complain about people complaining

nah'mean?

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

To be fair to him everyone is reactive to people complaining regardless of what the issue is, especially on the internet with hyperbole. You could be complaining about complainers who complain about people complaining

nah'mean?

No, not really.

My issue isn't with special editions and actually BUYING THEM, its the fact that the films are altered, and sometimes the original version isn't available on DVD, i.e. Last of the Mohicans. Plus this fad is becoming more and more common, where movies are starting to look like computer software to be patched as the filmmaker sees fit when he looks back at what he did with a much different mind. Its not only detrimental to the art, it's an easy way to abuse the art for financial means.

This IS an internet forum, and not expecting people to complain about something -- especially movies -- is an ideal that is unattainable and will only result in these types of "sorry for this rant but..." kinda posts, which are pretty pointless if you ask me.

Maybe the complaints can be good. Maybe it can raise awareness within the public to these greedy (and yes, it can be greed, not generosity) tactics used by the studios and filmmakers alike.

I've complained about special editions, and to be labelled a spoiled brat as a result is pretty stupid. I can assure you, as can my large rent, large pile of bills, and a job that barely pays them, that I am far from spoiled as I make my own way without any help. Movies are my escape from this reality and when I am as involved with them, there will be things that get on my nerves. I am not going to withhold my opinion just so I don't get on the nerves of some overly sensitive people.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

But all internet forums have complainers and ranters. They would be boring without them. Sure I hate them too from time to time but it is what it is. You complain too so it's all good. It's gon do what it do and it is what it is *shrug*

Ultimatlely as a consumer you have to measure your options and wonder if its worth buying another purchase of a movie and weight the pros and cons.

 

[Man-Thing]

The main points I made were...

1. You don't have to buy the movies, no one forces you to. Your life wouldn't be in danger if you don't.

2. You can't legitimately say movie studios/directors are greedy for putting out their product while you buy a luxury item while other people in the world are starving.

3. The idea that you are entitled to a luxury item is nauseating and does infact make you look like a spoiled brat.

4. It's nobody's fault but your own if you aren't successful enough to buy a luxury item. No one should be entitled to luxury items (DVD's are luxury items).

I would also like to add, that I too enjoy buying and watching movies even director cuts. I have also been annoyed at director's cuts coming out after I've bought the theatrical release- then I realized how silly it was, and how snobby of me to think so.

My words aren't gospel, and you are free to feel what you will, but I think the truth is found in my initial post (even though I was kinda a dick about it). I agree to disagree with anyone who disagrees with me.

Oh, and ranting/arguing/debating on message boards is fun.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

The main points I made were...

1. You don't have to buy the movies, no one forces you to. Your life wouldn't be in danger if you don't.

Kinda silly to say that on a messageboard about movies, isn't it? Again, on the flip side, your life won't be in danger if you let people talk and/or complain about what they want to. You don't have to read the complaints or respond to them, no one forces you to.

2. You can't legitimately say movie studios/directors are greedy for putting out their product while you buy a luxury item while other people in the world are starving.

That's plain silly. A movie is not a luxury item at all. And to draw any comparison between grievances over buying yet another movie release and people starving in another country is also plain silly. Are you the type of person that yells everytime someone complains about something, and reminds them of the starving children?

STOP WORRYING ABOUT MESSAGEBOARD COMPLAINTS WHEN THERE ARE CHILDREN IN AFRICA STARVING!! GO OVER THERE AND COMPLAIN!! t:

When you have three, even FOUR versions of a movie out on DVD, you are NAIVE to think that isn't greed. Ever read that quote from the Fox exec who said that they (the studios) like taking several bites from the same apple, in regards to multiple DVD releases? I believe it was in reference to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which had a special edition mere MONTHS after the initial release.

3. The idea that you are entitled to a luxury item is nauseating and does infact make you look like a spoiled brat.

Since we're not talking about movies and are talking about sports cars, boats, and other luxury items, I agree with you. No one is entitled to things like that. They should work for it.

4. It's nobody's fault but your own if you aren't successful enough to buy a luxury item. No one should be entitled to luxury items (DVD's are luxury items).

Wrong, they are not luxury items.

Go to this wikipedia page and see if you see ANYTHING about DVDs and movies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_item

I would also like to add, that I too enjoy buying and watching movies even director cuts. I have also been annoyed at director's cuts coming out after I've bought the theatrical release- then I realized how silly it was, and how snobby of me to think so.

You sound like someone who simply accepts things, and doesn't feel that change should be made to anything, other than through apathy which rarely accomplishes anything.

My words aren't gospel, and you are free to feel what you will, but I think the truth is found in my initial post (even though I was kinda a dick about it). I agree to disagree with anyone who disagrees with me.

Oh, and ranting/arguing/debating on message boards is fun.

Sure, but I disagree with you and don't think anything even resembling truth was found. You're attacking people for the way they are, and not for anything malignant or ignorant or anything like that. You're attacking people who are impassioned by movies and incensed by certain GREEDY and deceitful tactics that the studios use to make up for THEIR ineptitudes and self-caused inflation within the movie business.

Good thing you weren't in Boston Harbor in 1773, yelling at the Americans to stop complaining about taxes and think of the starving children. t:

 

[maxwell's demon]

Wrong, they are not luxury items.

Go to this wikipedia page and see if you see ANYTHING about DVDs and movies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_item

literalism. the death nell of culture.




i agree with Man-thong

 

[The Shape]

I don't feel I need to buy all these extended, special edition, 8-disc, box sets.

But I still find it annoying.

 

[WormyT]

It's peoples own fault if they buy the bare bones versions of these movies. These DVD's are pretty much for people who aren't really THAt into the movie. Anyone who knows anything about movies would know first hand that the FIRST King Kong, LOTR, SIN CITY DVD's are NOT the extended versions, they are the theatrical cuts riding on the publicity of the not so distant theatre shows.
Of course some first gen DVD's have so much extra added and contain so much stuff you may as well get them. But for the big movies, just rent them and wait half a year or buy it used if you must have it UNTIL the extended version comes out.

 

[Shuley]

I'm not a big fan of Special Edition DVDs,they cost more and I really don't care how they made the movie,or what multi-million dollar actors/actress think about the movie either. I have a few special edition dvds Sin City,Batman Begins (only cause i liked the cover better) and Casablanca,but all in all,I go for the bare bones release.

 

[black_dust]

Or you can just wait like me. I have waited going on 5 years for the Blade Runner Speical edition that is coming out soon woo!!!

 

[Super_Ludacris]

True I'm always hesitant to buy bare bones DVD and wait cause I know something better will come out. Take for example Inside Man. Recently it came out on DVD. Great movie to me still the movie of the year and it was one of Spike and Denzel's best work IMO but the DVD had nothing on it. I'm hoping Spike and the studio release a special edition one during the holidays

 

[Super_Ludacris]

True I'm always hesitant to buy bare bones DVD and wait cause I know something better will come out. Take for example Inside Man. Recently it came out on DVD. Great movie to me still the movie of the year and it was one of Spike and Denzel's best work IMO but the DVD had nothing on it. I'm hoping Spike and the studio release a special edition one during the holidays

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

Or you can just wait like me. I have waited going on 5 years for the Blade Runner Speical edition that is coming out soon woo!!!

I hope you're not waiting for the one coming out this year. It is merely a barebones edition with cleaned up a/v. There is a better version coming out next year with the different cuts. Yes, more studio "generosity".

 

[black_dust]

I hope you're not waiting for the one coming out this year. It is merely a barebones edition with cleaned up a/v. There is a better version coming out next year with the different cuts. Yes, more studio "generosity".

Im waiting for the one Ridley has been bangging on about for years with the extrended cut and Dir commentry and all that stuff "I have wanted to put it out for awhile but WB wont let me"

That one.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I like the route Warner Bros takes by releasing the barebones version along with the 2/3 disk version at the same time (Batman Begins, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire)

The only people I have a problem with is 20th Century Fox. That's why I don't buy a single DVD from them. I know that they are going to make another version of Fantastic Four and X-Men: The Last Stand, hence why I'm not going to buy them when they first come out. I hate double dipping so I usually wait for the better version to come out (certain films you just know they are going to make another version of, King Kong, the Lord of the Rings, Fantastic Four, X-2: X-Men United, X-Men: The Last Stand, Daredevil, Elektra, etc)

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I like the route Warner Bros takes by releasing the barebones version along with the 2/3 disk version at the same time (Batman Begins, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire)

I don't, because you use to pay $15-20 for a full fledged single release of a movie that usually had lots of extras. Now you pay $15-20 for the barebones and $20-25 (and sometimes more) for the special edition. And they don't make as many SEs and they disappear quickly, like the SEs of Jarhead, Munich, and Batman which albeit was only for a while.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I don't mind stuidos released special editions a few months after the regular edition if the studio tells you the special edition is coming. Take Lord of the Rings, New Line told you the special 4-disc versions would be released during the holiday season before the theatrical cut was released. Now they've just released a new edition, but it doesn't seem to have much added from the 4-disc version so I won't buy it. What I have a problem with is movies like Star Wars, it seems every couple years we have a new edition of the original trilogy, also Army of Darkness and the two Evil Deads, how many versions of that movie are there? There comes a point where the studio needs to stop releasing new versions of the same movie with just one or two new features.

 

[블라스]

I'm going to wait for the extended director's cut version of this thread and pass on this one

 

[Addendum]

There's plenty of 2 disc Batman Begins DVDs on shelves in movie stores. I bought a copy earlier this year. It didn't have the comic book, but I've already read those comics they had so it's no big loss.

Star Wars and Star Trek are notorious for re-releasing the same stuff over and over. I stopped counting how many times they would come out with a new box-set of the movies each time a 2-disc version of each movie came out.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

There's plenty of 2 disc Batman Begins DVDs on shelves in movie stores. I bought a copy earlier this year.

Hence my comment that it was only out for a while, which it was. I worked retail and the SE sold out fast, and we didn't get anymore for a while, as in months. It was high in demand as well.