Jack the Ripper

[lars573]

I heard a theory that the Ripper was an America quack doctor (forgot the name). Who loved to collect Uterues and hated women with a passion.

 

[Matt]

Ultimate Movie Man,

Unfortunately, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle already beat you to this theory, but the "Jill the Ripper" theory as it is commonly known has been proven to be rubbish. I read an article on it some time ago, there are numerous reasons ranging from psychological to things such as hand writing analysises of the geninue letters ("Hello Boss" The Postcard, and "From Hell" letter) being male writing. Besides, your theory on religious murders doesn't add up. You should research more before creating a theory. Different motives create different results. The Ripper murders were Sado-masochistic. In other words, they were done because the killer got sexual pleasure out of it. Aside from the obvious fact that lesbians were very uncommon during the Victorian era, this type of behavior is seen primarily in males.

The odds of it being a woman are very very unlikely.

Its great that you're writing. Don't give it up, but writing anything requires tons of research and planning. Hell, even a completely original story contains tons of research, character creation, background creation, etc. But writing on historical events...God, to do it properly you'd have to spend at least months researching it.

 

[Matt]

I heard a theory that the Ripper was an America quack doctor (forgot the name). Who loved to collect Uterues and hated women with a passion.

No one will ever know. Personally, I think there was Jack The Ripper and then the later murders were a copy cat.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Well, no because not too long ago they found out Jack The Ripper's true identity. It was a male.

no they didnt. that patricia cornwell book that came out a few years ago claiming that walter sickert was jack the ripper is such bull**** and so full of holes. hell, she cant even prove that he was in london during the 3 month period of the ripper murders....all available evidence of his whereabouts at the time put him in paris. the only link she had that related him to jack the ripper was the fact that he wrote letters to the police in the name of jack the ripper...which he certainly did...just like hundreds of other people did. and of the hundreds and hundreds jack the ripper letter the police recieved, there are only 3 letters that are thought to possibly actually be from jack, none of which are the sickert letters. (though, now a days theres proof those three letters just came from news paper journalists trying to cause a sensation for the sake of news). walter sickert was also quite the eccentric. he would have days where he'd dress up like napoleon (or other such fascinating figures) and walk around the whole day pretending to be said person.


aaaaaaaaaaanyways, everyone who is interested in JTR, should check out www.casebook.org
its the definitive website ont he subject. there you will even find the whole "jane the ripper" theory.

 

[Kritish]

no they didnt. that patricia cornwell book that came out a few years ago claiming that walter sickert was jack the ripper is such bull**** and so full of holes. hell, she cant even prove that he was in london during the 3 month period of the ripper murders....all available evidence of his whereabouts at the time put him in paris. the only link she had that related him to jack the ripper was the fact that he wrote letters to the police in the name of jack the ripper...which he certainly did...just like hundreds of other people did. and of the hundreds and hundreds jack the ripper letter the police recieved, there are only 3 letters that are thought to possibly actually be from jack, none of which are the sickert letters. (though, now a days theres proof those three letters just came from news paper journalists trying to cause a sensation for the sake of news). walter sickert was also quite the eccentric. he would have days where he'd dress up like napoleon (or other such fascinating figures) and walk around the whole day pretending to be said person.


aaaaaaaaaaanyways, everyone who is interested in JTR, should check out www.casebook.org
its the definitive website ont he subject. there you will even find the whole "jane the ripper" theory.

He had a deformed penis and was impitent, He sounds like a prime canidate, most sexually based killers suffer some kind of tramua in their life to spark the growth of "the monster".

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Ultimate Movie Man,

Unfortunately, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle already beat you to this theory, but the "Jill the Ripper" theory as it is commonly known has been proven to be rubbish. I read an article on it some time ago, there are numerous reasons ranging from psychological to things such as hand writing analysises of the geninue letters ("Hello Boss" The Postcard, and "From Hell" letter) being male writing. Besides, your theory on religious murders doesn't add up. You should research more before creating a theory. Different motives create different results. The Ripper murders were Sado-masochistic. In other words, they were done because the killer got sexual pleasure out of it. Aside from the obvious fact that lesbians were very uncommon during the Victorian era, this type of behavior is seen primarily in males.

The odds of it being a woman are very very unlikely.

As stated in the previous page, the idea of making Jack a woman in men's clothing was a stupid idea and I'm not moving forward with that concept.

Besides, your theory on religious murders doesn't add up.

I'm sorry but I don't remember saying anything about religious murders linked to this...

Its great that you're writing. Don't give it up, but writing anything requires tons of research and planning. Hell, even a completely original story contains tons of research, character creation, background creation, etc. But writing on historical events...God, to do it properly you'd have to spend at least months researching it.

Thanks...I try. It's in my blood. Beleive it or not I'm 3rd generation cousin of Ian Fleming. Just thought I'd brag that

back on topic.

As I said before I think a group would have been a very spooky idea...it sort of helps the fact they didn't catch "him" because they couldn't..."he" didn't exist, whereas "they" did. There was only the illusion of one murderer...but then again for all we know that could be complete and utter bullocks.

 

[Matt]

He had a deformed penis and was impitent, He sounds like a prime canidate, most sexually based killers suffer some kind of tramua in their life to spark the growth of "the monster".

If he was impotent it would make it all the more unlikely. As stated, the murders were sado-masochistic. In otherwords, he did them for sexual gratification. He likely masterbaited or had intercourse afterwards. Not exactly something, someone who could not get off would do.

 

[Matt]

As stated in the previous page, the idea of making Jack a woman in men's clothing was a stupid idea and I'm not moving forward with that concept.

The woman in mens clothes idea, stupid.

Jill the Ripper...it has merits, you just need to research it more and do some historical revision in your writing.

 

[Motown Marvel]

He had a deformed penis and was impitent, He sounds like a prime canidate, most sexually based killers suffer some kind of tramua in their life to spark the growth of "the monster".

well, first off, even if it were true, thats some piss poor evidence and should hardly be considered such. second, i dont recall exactly, but i do remember reading something about how this may not even be true, and if it is, theres little to no evidence of how extreme the deformity was...if it were deformed, it could have been quite mild....i'll have to try and find where i read that.

but seriously....www.casebook.org...its amazing.

EDIT: okay, heres a dissertation on patricia cornwells book which basically destroys any and all "evidence" that she posed in the book:

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-pamandsickert.html

and heres an excerpt on the matter of his alleged deformed penis:

Concept #5: Walter Sickert was impotent, childless, and had a fistula on his penis.

Patricia Cornwell states that Walter Sickert had no children, and was most likely impotent due to several surgeries early in life to correct a "fistula of the penis." This impotence she believes was a major cause of his intense hatred of women, and possibly spurned him on to commit the Ripper murders. Serial killers today are often found to be impotent - the act of murder becomes their only means of sexual fulfillment.

Fact #5: There is no evidence whatsoever that Sickert's fistula was on his penis. There is, to the contrary, abundant evidence that Sickert was quite a virile man who possibly sired several illegitimate children.

The only source for Walter Sickert's penis fistula is the testimony of his nephew-by-marriage, John Lessore - now an elderly man. (Mr. Lessore has since clarified that this was only "family hearsay" and that he was not absolutely sure). Although it is clear that Sickert did have a fistula of some sort, there is no documentary evidence to suggest that it was on his penis. Indeed, the fact that he was treated by Dr. Alfred Duff Cooper of St. Mark's Hospital suggests otherwise. Both Dr. Cooper and the Hospital were known for performing surgery of the rectum, anus and vagina. No records suggest at all that they were ever involved in, or qualified to perform, surgeries of the penis. The evidence here suggests that Sickert's fistula was on his rectum or anus.

Assuming for a moment that the fistula was on his penis, there is still no evidence to suggest that he was impotent because of it. He was rumored to have sired at least one child by his Dieppe mistriss, Mme. Villain, and a man named Joseph "Hobo" Sickert still contends to this day that he was Walter's illegitimate son. Indeed, a close friend, Jacques-Emile Blanche described Sickert in 1902 as an "immoralist... with a swarm of children of provenances which are not possible to count." Sickert was known to have had several mistresses, and was cited as being an adulterer by his first wife. All of this is copious evidence that Walter was perfectly able to have regular sex.

 

[Ultimate Movie-Man]

Yeah I looked on that site this morning, only at FAQs though...which I learnt from ha!

 

[Matt]

well, first off, even if it were true, thats some piss poor evidence and should hardly be considered such. second, i dont recall exactly, but i do remember reading something about how this may not even be true, and if it is, theres little to no evidence of how extreme the deformity was...if it were deformed, it could have been quite mild....i'll have to try and find where i read that.

but seriously....www.casebook.org...its amazing.

Casebook is an amazing site

 

[Motown Marvel]

Casebook is an amazing site

dude, a few years back when i first found the site...i was so damn addicted to it for lke weeks on end, reading everything i can....damn near destroyed the first semester of my junior year in college.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Casebook is an amazing site

 

[WorthyStevens]

Now I'm addicted to the Casebook site again. I'm reading the 'From Hell' letter right now.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

...The Ripper murders were Sado-masochistic. In other words, they were done because the killer got sexual pleasure out of it. Aside from the obvious fact that lesbians were very uncommon during the Victorian era, this type of behavior is seen primarily in males.

The odds of it being a woman are very very unlikely.

It's still possible, though--a woman has just as much of a chance of being a psychopathic killer as a man.

Is it unlikely? Sure, but, it's possible.

 

[Caliber]

is it possible that Jack the Ripper was a woman taking revenge on prostitutes maybe? I have a script in mind with the ripper in it...just curious as to what people think. Personally I think it makes sense, but then a sentence on Wikipedia said "cutting the victims up and removing organs suggests that the killer had surgical experience"...a woman would not have surgical experience back then...unless a male taught her, or had a male in on it...?
Jack the ripper is so intriguing

Jack the Ripper was a male. He murdered for a mysertious reason and women were treated badly back then. A woman killing other loose women makes no sense.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Wait... so Mary Kelly may not have been the one that JtR killed that night? Has that theory been proven or disproven yet?

EDIT: Francis Tumblety is very suspicious.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Wait... so Mary Kelly may not have been the one that JtR killed that night? Has that theory been proven or disproven yet?

its hard to conclusively say it was her. logic says it was her, but there was no definite evidence that says it was or wasnt.

EDIT: Francis Tumblety is very suspicious.

i've thought the same. i'd put him in my top 5 of likely suspects.

 

[heypapajinx]

He had a deformed penis and was impitent, He sounds like a prime canidate, most sexually based killers suffer some kind of tramua in their life to spark the growth of "the monster".

totally.
poor poor impotent little man.
not even the skuzzy rat bitten tuberculoses carrying hookers of London wanted him.
so sad.
Dr. Phil woulda fixed him right up though.

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

A woman could have had midwifing training, and therefore be familiar with internal organs, also many women would have butchering experience. The Wlater Sickert theory is BUNK as is James Maybrick or the "Royal Assassin" theory. Leaps of faith too wide to jump in those cases. There is even a running theory that there was no Jack the Ripper at all, just a series of murderers copy-catting each other.

 

[Mike_D202]

Well, The Ripper would have had to be a male in order to lure the females, right? I mean the female theory must be below the radar because homosexuality wasnt THAT acceptable back then, right?

 

[Matt]

It's still possible, though--a woman has just as much of a chance of being a psychopathic killer as a man.

Is it unlikely? Sure, but, it's possible.

Yes, a woman has a chance of being a psychopathic killer, but generally women show different trends when killing. You should read a criminology book, interesting stuff.

 

[Matt]

Now I'm addicted to the Casebook site again. I'm reading the 'From Hell' letter right now.

The "Hello Boss" letter sends chills down my spine every time I read it.

 

[Matt]

A woman could have had midwifing training, and therefore be familiar with internal organs, also many women would have butchering experience. The Wlater Sickert theory is BUNK as is James Maybrick or the "Royal Assassin" theory. Leaps of faith too wide to jump in those cases. There is even a running theory that there was no Jack the Ripper at all, just a series of murderers copy-catting each other.

The midwife theory holds no water in grounds of psychological evidence indicating male, witness accounts, etc.

I personally do believe there was at least one copy cat however.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Well, The Ripper would have had to be a male in order to lure the females, right? I mean the female theory must be below the radar because homosexuality wasnt THAT acceptable back then, right?

Just because it wasn't acceptable doesn't mean there wasn't a lot of it. You make something illegal, it doesn't stop people doing it. Being a prostitute was also totally unnaceptable but there were thousands around.