James Bond In Skyfall - - Part 11

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I liked the film a lot; I thought Craig was at his best, Bardem was a superbly creepy villain and it was a great
send-off for Judi Dench.

The nods to the older Bond films were cool... people can hate them if they want, but well, you can't please everyone, I guess.

The only things I didn't like were:

1. Silva not really having any major scheme beyond embarrassing and killing M, and Severine getting offed so quickly.
 
I don't think
Bond questioning his motivations
was either needed nor an interesting part of the film.

There were a lot of other, much more interesting interpersonal themes that could have been explored.
 
I loved the film, but I can understand how people say it has almost too many seeming inspirations from Nolan's Batman films. HOWEVER I might have just seen these because the writer or director in interviews said that Nolan's films were an influence...

For example, it would be impossible for this team to know in TDKR Robin would be introduced in a very similar way Moneypenny is introduced by revealing their name at the very end.

But, overall, it's definitely one of my favorite Bond movies because it was thrilling, I felt connected because of a more emotional through line, and one of the best Bond villains in that he stole the scene every single time. 9/10

One point off, because as others have said, the beginning pacing can be a little slow.

Also I could be biased because...

I'm an orphan, so going to that area of Bond's character really struck home for me and although I'd have love to have seen certain things -- when Bond walked through his home for example we could have seen ghostly flashbacks from Bond's past as a kid with his parents -- I couldn't have asked for it to be much better than what and how they presented it.
 
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I don't think
Bond questioning his motivations
was either needed nor an interesting part of the film.

There were a lot of other, much more interesting interpersonal themes that could have been explored.

Speak for yourself, i found it very interesting.

Oh and that Cinematography was pure eye candy. Oscar nomination!
 
Enjoyed it for the most part, Mendes knows how a to frame a scene. Don't think
going into origins
was needed though.
 
I don't think
Bond questioning his motivations
was either needed nor an interesting part of the film.

There were a lot of other, much more interesting interpersonal themes that could have been explored.

I found it to be a necessary part of the film, especially for Bond's relationship with Silva.
 
I liked Skyfall.

Pros:

- The cinematography was flawless. If Deakins isn't nominated at the Oscars, it will be screwjob. The noir-esque fight scene between Bond and Patrice was my favorite scene of the film.
- I enjoyed how there was quite some time between Quantum of Solace and this film, with Bond being a commander and all.
- Bardem was great as Silva.
- I enjoyed the nods and callbacks to the past Bond films.
- I enjoyed Eve, Q, M, Mallory, Tanner, etc. Everyone did a fine job in the acting department.
- The last scene sets up nicely and leaves you craving more.
- This was the most human Bond has ever been and it was refreshing.

Cons:

- I wished there was an actual fight between Bond and Silva. Silva's demise was anti-climactic to say the least.
- The third act with the Skyfall estate and going into Bond's origins was iffy. It detracted from an otherwise flawless Bond film. Honestly, had it not been iffy, Skyfall could have been my favorite Bond film ever.
 
I found it to be a necessary part of the film, especially for Bond's relationship with Silva.
What would be more intriguing...
Is if Bond never wavered in his determination. Again, it would add mystery to the character and really make you wonder what the hell is wrong with Bond psychologically.

Instead, we were given a feigned attempt at exploring Bind's origins that amounted to nothing more than him destroying his childhood home fir no real reason.
 
Speak for yourself, i found it very interesting.

Oh and that Cinematography was pure eye candy. Oscar nomination!
Did you really need to randomly shout out good things about the movie? It screams overcompensation.

Of course the cinematography was good. The score was good, the direction was good, the acting was good, but we're not talking about any if that presently.
 
Btw, as I said before, I would've loved how they addressed his origins if this were a Connery film. Everything about them very much fit Connery's Bond.
 
I loved this. Definitely one of the greatest Bond films. But where it exceeds is that it's not only a Bond man on a mission film, it's more of this very personal character drama. The title pertains to Bond even which is a first.

I just loved how it dealt with Bond as a human being at the core. Skyfall is all about going back to the beginning of things for him. He got shot, bled, and died. If Casino Royale was the rebirth of Bond, this kind of did it again, but approached it in a very interesting and different angle, but also got Bond back on track to classic Bond. I had a gigantic smile on my face in the last scene.

I got some Roger Moore and Sean Connery moments. And I loved all of the references. When the Aston Martin showed up I just ****ing loved it.

And Silva is definitely one of the best Bond villains ever. Theatrical, humorous, but still very frightening. Though is Silva homosexual? I wasn't entirely clear if he was.
 
Skyfall to me Is first real Bond film of craig era.And to be more blunt.You could Ignore QOS and watch Casino Royale and Skyfall as the origin of
Bond.I could almost Imagine Criag at end of Skyfall walking Into DR No as his next assignment.

Craig Is allowed to be serious,tough and menacing but also with sense of humor(something laregly missing from first 2 films he did) and while the bond girls don't get much screen time due to focusing on M as they did he does come off as womanazing ad flirty Bond In time he doeshave with women.

EON Is really trying to blur the line between being 23rd film of serious and being final part of reboot story.A good case can be made than they want
audences to see that alternate versions of DR No through Die Another Day happened In between end of QOS and begining of Skyfall.

I viewed Silva as cross between 006 and Heath Leger's Joker.The Main Influence that Nolan inspired with Skyfall was with Silva.

Just as The Spy who Loved me could be called a loose remake of You Only Live twice I call this a loose remake of The World Is Not enough.And there
are defently In Skyfall elements Inspired by From Russia With Love(Bond as sniper) Licnce to Kill(signature gun) and Goldeneye(Silva Is very 006 Influenced by)

The action sequenzes are more like you would expect from Bond save for the final act
Apart from Silva being Influenced by Joker somewhat this Is what I felt Sam Mendas took from Nolan

I thought Naomi Harris was sexiest woman In film and she was very underused
She Is going to be sexiest Moneypenny ever.I thought Caroline Bliss
moneypenny In the Dalton was most attractive moneypenny but Naomi has her beat.When Craig does his last bond film I hope there Is a moment like there was between Pierce Brosnan and Samantha Bond In Die another day only for real to make up for fact Bond didn't sleep with Eve In Skyfall

Ralph Fiennes was great
They defently wanted you to be unsure of him till he wanted M to be allowed to speak at hearing and getting shot.His M seems like he will be very Bernard Lee like which Is why they recreated the classic office

with Q
him giving Bond a gun Is nice homage to DR No where he only gav Bond a new gun.And I liked they are keeping In newq him wanting Bond to return his equipment

Skyfall Is for me wihtout question best of Craig bond films and I glad they are done trying to appeal to Jason Bourne audences.Casino Royale Is good as spythriller but lacking as Bond film.QOS best not to mention that.

Craig has bumped to third on my favorate Bond list.Connery and Brosnan will always be my favorate but I can now put Craig ahead of Moore and dalton
without a doudt.

Having gunbarrell at end works perfectly.It at end of Skyfall works better than having It at all at end of QOS.It says at end of Skyfall the Bond everyone knows Is back.
 
I loved this. Definitely one of the greatest Bond films. But where it exceeds is that it's not only a Bond man on a mission film, it's more of this very personal character drama. The title pertains to Bond even which is a first.

I just loved how it dealt with Bond as a human being at the core. Skyfall is all about going back to the beginning of things for him. He got shot, bled, and died. If Casino Royale was the rebirth of Bond, this kind of did it again, but approached it in a very interesting and different angle, but also got Bond back on track to classic Bond. I had a gigantic smile on my face in the last scene.

I got some Roger Moore and Sean Connery moments. And I loved all of the references. When the Aston Martin showed up I just ****ing loved it.

And Silva is definitely one of the best Bond villains ever. Theatrical, humorous, but still very frightening. Though is Silva homosexual? I wasn't entirely clear if he was.

When Silva was fondling Bond and grabbed his thighs, at first I was thinking "Whoa, this cat is gay." But then I think he was just playing mind games. It helps that I thought Bond's line was a callback to Casino Royale's torture scene. Who knows?
 
He was just kind of ambiguously weird. I see where the Joker comparisons come in, where it's kind of implied he has a man crush on Batman and wants to hurt him at the same time.
 
Did you really need to randomly shout out good things about the movie? It screams overcompensation.

Of course the cinematography was good. The score was good, the direction was good, the acting was good, but we're not talking about any if that presently.

Um those were two seperate thoughts hence the space inbetween the two lines. I hadnt mentioned the cinematography. I think im well within my rights as a member to discuss any aspects of the film regardless of what the collective may be discussing. Chill. Your hostility is not needed.

And as for Bonds past not discussing it and leaving Bond mystery after 50 years isnt very good character growth now is it? It was time his childhood was examined.
 
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And Silva is definitely one of the best Bond villains ever. Theatrical, humorous, but still very frightening. Though is Silva homosexual? I wasn't entirely clear if he was.

Nah, it was to make Bond feel as uncomfortable as possible. I think Bardem even went out to confirm this.
 
I thought Silva was bi-sexual or at the least metrosexual.

And holy crap his face when he pulled his teeth out!
 
Well, I mean maybe he is. But the context of that scene was to make James feel as awkward as possible.
 
When Silva was fondling Bond and grabbed his thighs, at first I was thinking "Whoa, this cat is gay." But then I think he was just playing mind games. It helps that I thought Bond's line was a callback to Casino Royale's torture scene. Who knows?

Nah, it was to make Bond feel as uncomfortable as possible. I think Bardem even went out to confirm this.

Ah, ok. That's just part of his overall weirdness. :funny:
 
But that had to do more with M's betrayal than anything, not some deep childhood scarring that needed confronted. And if it did, I feel like the filmmakers failed to communicate it to the audience properly.

Maybe some of them, but not all of them. Including me.
 
I like Moore, myself. I think he is funny and charming. He is basically the antithesis of Connery, which is what worked for the time. Obviously by today's standards it is a bit hammy and over the top and I can see why some would not like it. But I have always been able to look at it in the context of the time and for that reason I often find his movies to be among the funnest of the Bond movies.

That being said, Brosnan is my favorite Bond. He has the grit and toughness of Connery mixed with the charm and wit of Moore. He is the perfect middle ground. Craig and Dalton go too far to the Connery side of the scale, IMO. Brosnan is the perfect balance.

I like Moore too. In the last decade, it has become fashionable to hate Moore because he played the role amusingly and at times comedically. But it works and he had several great entries (I put TSWLM above Skyfall and FYEO is also in my top 10).

Brosnan was a great Bond. I grew up with him and I will always like his approach. Sadly, GoldenEye is his only really great entry. I know I put TWINE at no. 10, but it is quite flawed. It could have been great with tighter direction, editing, and a recast second Bond girl. But yes, Brosnan was great in the role.
 
I loved this. Definitely one of the greatest Bond films. But where it exceeds is that it's not only a Bond man on a mission film, it's more of this very personal character drama. The title pertains to Bond even which is a first.

I just loved how it dealt with Bond as a human being at the core. Skyfall is all about going back to the beginning of things for him. He got shot, bled, and died. If Casino Royale was the rebirth of Bond, this kind of did it again, but approached it in a very interesting and different angle, but also got Bond back on track to classic Bond. I had a gigantic smile on my face in the last scene.

I got some Roger Moore and Sean Connery moments. And I loved all of the references. When the Aston Martin showed up I just ****ing loved it.

And Silva is definitely one of the best Bond villains ever. Theatrical, humorous, but still very frightening. Though is Silva homosexual? I wasn't entirely clear if he was.

I too loved seeing the Astin Martin. Especially Bond threatening M with it and later his reaction when [blackout]Silva blows it up.[/blackout]

However, am I the only one who found it odd it had gadgets? Yes, it's a nice throwback, but it makes no sense. Craig's all about not having gadgets and the new Q even makes a snide joke about the style of old Bond flicks. Then all of a sudden this car shows up way more tricked out than Craig's Q branch has ever even expanded to. It did not make a whole lot of sense.
 
It is amazing how much different Goldeneye is from Casino Royale.
 
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