Goldeneye - Best James Bond movie...

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I rewatched Goldeneye last night, and I have come to the conclussion that it is easily the best James Bond movie. Better than On Her Majesty's Secret Service, better than Goldfinger, better than From Russia With Love, better than The Spy Who Loved Me, better than even Casino Royale.

This movie is everything a Bond movie should be. It is in my opinion the first modern Bond movie. It embraces some of the more silly cliches of James Bond mythos while adapting them into a modern society. It doesn't feel the need to turn away from what makes the Bond franchise unique but instead plays them up in a more realistic, post Cold War setting.

Many credit Craig for turning Bond into a more human character, but I gotta say, Brosnan did it first. Die Another Day is really the only Bond movie where Brosnan is a caricature. Prior to Brosnan, you had no middle ground. It was either a rigid, cold, humorless, Bond (Dalton, and to an extent Connery) or an over the top, childish Bond (like Roger Moore). Brosnan gave Bond a soul. He played him as a vulnerable person (his scenes with Natasha in Goldeneye, Alec's first "death," and his guilt over it, etc) while at the same time he is a cold, detatched, efficient killer ("For England, James?" "For me, Alec."). There are layers to Bond in this movie. Plus he does not neglect the wit or charm of James Bond (as I feel to this point, to an extent, though not entirely, Craig has. Though I blame the scripts, not Craig).

Furthermore, you have two very complete Bond girls. Natasha, while essentially a damsel-in-distress provides much more. She allows the audience to get insight into Bond's world view and brings out a more vulnerable side to him. Meanwhile, Xenia Onnatopp is more your classic Bond girl-villain. Plus Janssen has so much fun with the role and plays it so perfectly, you can't help but rank her as one of the top Bond girls.

The supporting cast is great as well. Lleweyln is brilliant as Q, of course. Plus this is Samantha Bond's best outting as Moneypenny and actually my favorite portrayl of Moneypenny. Instead of a silly school girl with a crush, she actually comes off as James' equal to an extent (which may explain why he has never bedded her). "Some day you'll have to make good on your inneuendos." Brilliant line.

But the real star of the supporting cast is Judi Dench as M. Her first outting is in my opinion the best. I love the dynamic introduced between her and Bond. Bond sees her as an accountant who was wrongfully promoted and she sees him as an outdated relic from the Cold War. I really wish they continued this dynamic down the line.

The action sequences are top notch. Some are elaborate, mindless fun (the tank through Moscow, the plane escape)...others are brutal, gritty and personal (the final showdown with Bond and 006). It is a perfect balance.

And the villain, what else can you say about Trevelyan other than he is the best Bond villain to date. He is the anti-Bond. He has Bond's training. He knows Bond. He thinks like Bond and anticipates his every move and due to his training is quite possibly the greatest physical threat to Bond ever portrayed as well as the greatest mental threat.

I think this is the one Bond movie that is a 10/10. It is the perfect James Bond movie.

What are your thoughts?
 
Its definitly a 10/10 but i do believe Casino Royale is a better film just by a little bit, probably cause the bond girl was better and it explored the characters origin(I love origins for some reason).

It is funny however that the director that directed these 2 films, has revived Bond Films twice and in both times the next film after (tomorrow never dies and Quantom of Solace) have both dissapointed the previous film. Poor Martin Cambell hes gonna have to revive this series again after 3 other medicore films
 
A Matt-made film thread in which he isn't condemning the mentioned film, that's new. :D

Truly my favorite Bond film to date. This was the James Bond of my generation. I couldn't pick a flaw in it. Besides everything Matt mentioned, the film has in my opinion, the best Bond intro song by Tina Turner, as well as one of the best mano-e-mano fights of the series between Bond and Trevelyan.

Natasha: How can you act like this? How can you be so cold.
James: It's what keeps me alive.
Natasha: No, it's what keeps you alone.
 
A Matt-made film thread in which he isn't condemning the mentioned film, that's new. :D

Truly my favorite Bond film to date. This was the James Bond of my generation. I couldn't pick a flaw in it. Besides everything Matt mentioned, the film has in my opinion, the best Bond intro song by Tina Turner, as well as one of the best mano-e-mano fights of the series between Bond and Trevelyan.

Natasha: How can you act like this? How can you be so cold.
James: It's what keeps me alive.
Natasha: No, it's what keeps you alone.

Great scene. I so often hear that Craig brought vulnerability to Bond, but I disagree. It was all Brosnan. That scene above says it all.

And the song is good, as well as the Trevelyan fight, which is brutal. God, I love the end of that fight.

Alec: (hanging by his legs): For England, James?
Bond: For me, Alec (punches him off)
 
Great scene. I so often hear that Craig brought vulnerability to Bond, but I disagree. It was all Brosnan. That scene above says it all.

And the song is good, as well as the Trevelyan fight, which is brutal. God, I love the end of that fight.

Alec: (hanging by his legs): For England, James?
Bond: For me, Alec (punches him off)

Alec: Why can't you just be a good boy and die?
James: You first.
 
You Only Live Twice
A View to a Kill
Goldeneye



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:wow: I get You Only Live Twice, but A View to Kill shocks me. And don't get me wrong, I LOVE A View to Kill, but most would claim it their guilty pleasure Bond movie, not a favorite.
 
Alec: Why can't you just be a good boy and die?
James: You first.

And how can any Goldeneye review be complete without the tank chase. I gotta admit, no matter how many times I see it, the second Bond crashes through the wall in that tank and the classic bond theme blasts for the first time in the movie, I can't help but get a huge, corny grin. That is one of my biggest problems with the Craig movies. Neither Casino Royale or QOS had a money shot like that.
 
Great Bond movie, but not the best. Goldfinger still holds that title 44 years later.
 
:wow: I get You Only Live Twice, but A View to Kill shocks me. And don't get me wrong, I LOVE A View to Kill, but most would claim it their guilty pleasure Bond movie, not a favorite.


I've heard that too, but I just don't get it. Walken, Jones, Roids, Computer chips, Duran Duran.


I've always liked Roger Moore. It seems like its popular to rag on him but he saved the franchise after Connery. He always had the best lookin' Bond Girls and let's face it, the guy was funny.

I just wish Indiana Jones could find their Roger Moore so the franchise could continue.



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And how can any Goldeneye review be complete without the tank chase. I gotta admit, no matter how many times I see it, the second Bond crashes through the wall in that tank and the classic bond theme blasts for the first time in the movie, I can't help but get a huge, corny grin. That is one of my biggest problems with the Craig movies. Neither Casino Royale or QOS had a money shot like that.

The movie also had some good one-liners.

James: Beg your pardon, forgot to knock. *Smash!*

Other little things too. When Alec recovered from the train crash, he automatically knew that James would be nearby and rushed for the nearest rifle, only to have James place his foot over it.

Going to have watch Goldeneye tomorrow now.
 
I've heard that too, but I just don't get it. Walken, Jones, Roids, Computer chips, Duran Duran.


I've always liked Roger Moore. It seems like its popular to rag on him but he saved the franchise after Connery. He always had the best lookin' Bond Girls and let's face it, the guy was funny.

I just wish Indiana Jones could find their Roger Moore so the franchise could continue.



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I love Roger Moore as well. He was the perfect Bond for the time period. Sure, it was a bit cheesey at times...but I think that was the charm of it.
 
The movie also had some good one-liners.

James: Beg your pardon, forgot to knock. *Smash!*

Other little things too. When Alec recovered from the train crash, he automatically knew that James would be nearby and rushed for the nearest rifle, only to have James place his foot over it.

Going to have watch Goldeneye tomorrow now.

:up: Amen.

Plus I love the scene when Orumav is holding Natasha at gunpoint and Alec tells him to choose between the girl and the mission and Bond remarks, "Kill her. She means nothing to me." Anyone who says the Brosnan Bond was too over-the top or corny only need watch that scene.
 
Goldeneye also featured some of the most sensible, plausible gadgets of the franchise; the belt with the mini grapple and wire, the Omega watch with the laser and detonator. And of course, one of my favorites, the pen grenade.
 
Goldeneye also featured some of the most sensible, plausible gadgets of the franchise; the belt with the mini grapple and wire, the Omega watch with the laser and detonator. And of course, one of my favorites, the pen grenade.

Q: Don't say it, 007.

Bond: The writing is on the wall.

I love how he can't resist the quip :lmao:
 
i just like a more badass bond thats not so predictable

Re-watch Goldeneye. The myth of Brosnan being a predictable, boring, cliched, goofy, Moore-esque Bond is far greater than the truth of it.
 
Matt said:
I rewatched Goldeneye last night, and I have come to the conclussion that it is easily the best James Bond movie. Better than On Her Majesty's Secret Service, better than Goldfinger, better than From Russia With Love, better than The Spy Who Loved Me, better than even Casino Royale.
I haven't seen all the Bond films, so I can't comment on the "best of them all" sentiment. Nevertheless, I'll offer what I can in my responses below.

This movie is everything a Bond movie should be. It is in my opinion the first modern Bond movie. It embraces some of the more silly cliches of James Bond mythos while adapting them into a modern society. It doesn't feel the need to turn away from what makes the Bond franchise unique but instead plays them up in a more realistic, post Cold War setting.
I'd seen one or two of the 007 pictures during my childhood (don't recall which ones), and I was a brief fan of the "James Bond, Jr." cartoons. But "GoldenEye" was the first film of the series that I remember seeing all the way through. Like any film, there's always aspects of it I like and others I don't.

Many credit Craig for turning Bond into a more human character, but I gotta say, Brosnan did it first.
I haven't seen either of the new films starring Daniel Craig, but i do agree that Pierce's version was more human than prior portrayals.

Die Another Day is really the only Bond movie where Brosnan is a caricature.
I always thought Toby Stephens, Halle Berry, and Rosamund Pike's characters were more exaggerated than Pierce in that film. I liked the angle of Bond actually being captured by the Chinese military.

Furthermore, you have two very complete Bond girls. Natasha, while essentially a damsel-in-distress provides much more. She allows the audience to get insight into Bond's world view and brings out a more vulnerable side to him. Meanwhile, Xenia Onnatopp is more your classic Bond girl-villain. Plus Janssen has so much fun with the role and plays it so perfectly, you can't help but rank her as one of the top Bond girls.
The only one of Famke's scenes I actually liked was when she gets burned in the sauna (or whatever it was). Bond finally had enough of her psychotic advances. As for Natasha, I liked her scenes with Boris ("I am invincible!") :D

The supporting cast is great as well. Lleweyln is brilliant as Q, of course.
Desmond was always brilliant as Q; sad shame that he's no longer with us.

But the real star of the supporting cast is Judi Dench as M. Her first outting is in my opinion the best. I love the dynamic introduced between her and Bond. Bond sees her as an accountant who was wrongfully promoted and she sees him as an outdated relic from the Cold War. I really wish they continued this dynamic down the line.
Agreed; they each had a mutual resigned attitude where the other was concerned. This was especially done well near the beginning of "Die Another Day".

The action sequences are top notch. Some are elaborate, mindless fun (the tank through Moscow, the plane escape)...others are brutal, gritty and personal (the final showdown with Bond and 006). It is a perfect balance.
Yeah, I'd say about the same thing. I loved the plane escape in the prologue.

And the villain, what else can you say about Trevelyan other than he is the best Bond villain to date. He is the anti-Bond. He has Bond's training. He knows Bond. He thinks like Bond and anticipates his every move and due to his training is quite possibly the greatest physical threat to Bond ever portrayed as well as the greatest mental threat.
I remember thinking "What?!" when Alec first apears to Bond later in the film. Shortly after, I was likely muttering, "You cold-hearted, blood-sucking, murderous traitor..." under my breath. :D
 
Re-watch Goldeneye. The myth of Brosnan being a predictable, boring, cliched, goofy, Moore-esque Bond is far greater than the truth of it.

yes i know... hence why i love it so much...
however just not as good as royale or quantum.

casino royale being my favorite movie of all time
 

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