Goldeneye - Best James Bond movie...

[The Chairman]

It's second best behind Goldfinger. Awesome, awesome film. If only Brosnan's next three films were of the same quality, he might have eclipsed Connery. Instead, they generated slowly into almost a parody with each progressing film.

My ranking:

1. Goldfinger
2. Goldeneye
3. From Russia With Love
4. The Spy Who Loved Me
5. Octopussy
6. Thunderball
7. For Your Eyes Only
8. The Living Daylights
9. Casino Royale
10. Live And Let Die

 

[DACrowe]

Now this is a better list. Don't completely agree but it's a good one.


I suppose I should round out my top 10.

1. You Only Live Twice
2. A View to a Kill
3. Goldeneye
4. The Man With the Golden Gun
5. Moonraker
6. Dr. No
7. From Russia With Love
8. The Spy Who Loved Me
9. Octopussy
10. Live and Let Die

I have to admit, I am not a fan of YOLT, AVTAK, Moonraker, TMWTGG or Octopussy. Out of curiosity you grew up with Moore?

But fair enough. My full 10:

1. Goldfinger
2. Goldeneye
3. From Russia With Love
4. Casino Royale
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. Dr. No
7. The World is Not Enough
8. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
9. For Your Eyes Only
10. Quantum of Solace
11. Live and Let Die

Had to add one more. I find those to be the very best Bond movies (mind you 9-11 aren't the best, but still).

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I find Moore hit and miss. I really liked For Your Eyes Only and The Spy Who Loved Me is an all-time great. Octopussy, Live and Let Die, and The Man with the Golden Gun were enjoyable romps but disposable. TMWTGG has one of the best villains of the series. Octopussy is one of the biggest missed opportunities of the entire series. Had there been a more serious effort there it could have been fantastic with its clever Cold War plot and the most exotic setting in the series. As it is, OP is merely decent to good. Moonraker and A View to a Kill are awful.

 

[Venomfan]

my judgment of this movie is clouded by the game lol. that game was glorious, better then the movie even lol

 

[SuGarRush]

1.) Goldfinger
2.) Thunderball
3.) Dr. No
4.) Golden Eye
5.) From Russia With Love


As far as I'm concerned, Pierce did a fantastic job in Goldeneye, and if he had had a decent script, his other films would have been good as well. As it is, Goldeneye was the only decent Bond film he made. The rest I rank with the Moore stuff, second-rate at best.

I'm 23, and I LOVE Sean Connery's Bond. He was so cold, so ruthless, and such a player. Absolutely vicious, and yet very charming. He was the perfect blend of opposites, and as such, appealed to everyone at the time.

Moore was too old to be believable, and he was smarmy and goofy as well.

Lazenby? Really? I'm not even going to bother.

Dalton was ok, but didn't have the charm.

Pierce was the logical and spiritual successor, but unfortunately, he was saddled with bad script after bad script. Goldeneye was where he shined, and it really is a fantastic Bond film. It's just too bad he wasn't allowed to excel after that one.

Craig is...meh. No charm, he's not a good looking dude. He isn't slick or suave. And frankly I thought I was going to get motion sick the editing was so choppy in the newest installment. I felt like I was watching the Bourne Identity part 4. It wasn't a Bond movie, just an action film. To be honest, I was very disappointed.

Pierce was excellent, Famke Jannsen was excellent, and Michael Bean was Superb. It was a great film, I wish they would make another like it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love it a lot. Believe it was the first I seen in theaters. Some really great moments, like the escape leading into the chase. However it is no FRWL, no CR, and no OHMSS. Goldeneye has to much down time, bad accents, worse dialogue, and an air of SuperBond. The finale is such a mess as well, running overly long and not having one satisfying finale. Not to mention the Bond/Bond girl relationship is completely irrational.

There is no debate. FRWL, OHMSS, and CR are the only real "best Bond" options. People may like others better, but they are not nearly as good of films. FRWL is the perfect spy thrill. OHMSS is the "epic" Bond. CR is the perfect blend of the two.

 

[Hunter Rider]

^^^^ Wow "there is no debate" Yeah...there really really really is.

 

[Eggyman]

Tsk. Now now, Hunter. Don't get above your station. Darth Skywalker's put his foot down and we all need to shut up.

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Anyway, it's not my favourite - not even my favourite Brosnan Bond Film (you'd throw tomatoes at me if I told you which one was) - but I can't deny that it is one of the best.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Tsk. Now now, Hunter. Don't get above your station. Darth Skywalker's put his foot down and we all need to shut up.

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Anyway, it's not my favourite - not even my favourite Brosnan Bond Film (you'd throw tomatoes at me if I told you which one was) - but I can't deny that it is one of the best.

I certainly felt there was a mini fist pump upon submitting! t:


Oh come on! Egg's and Tomatoes go well together!

 

[November Rain]

goldeneye is aweful...

only decent bit is the first ten minutes

 

[Eggyman]

If you say so. Tomorrow Never Dies.

I don't get where the hate comes from for this film. A few scenes are over the top, and I'll except any negativity cast its way... but I'll stand by my opinion that it has the best Bond opening scene of all time. Yes, I will.

Smack! 'Filthy habit.'

 

[Hunter Rider]

If you say so. Tomorrow Never Dies.

I don't get where the hate comes from for this film. A few scenes are over the top, and I'll except any negativity cast its way... but I'll stand by my opinion that it has the best Bond opening scene of all time. Yes, I will.

Smack! 'Filthy habit.'

Well it does have an awesome bike chase. t:

My dirty secret is that I actually think Die Another Day has the best pre credits sequence in the series.

 

[Eggyman]

Well it does have an awesome bike chase. t:

My dirty secret is that I actually think Die Another Day has the best pre credits sequence in the series.

Can't remember it - it's been a while. They have all melded into each other. I may go Tescos and buy one seeing as I am a gentleman of leisure today.

 

[The Englishman]

I find Moore hit and miss. I really liked For Your Eyes Only and The Spy Who Loved Me is an all-time great. Octopussy, Live and Let Die, and The Man with the Golden Gun were enjoyable romps but disposable. TMWTGG has one of the best villains of the series. Octopussy is one of the biggest missed opportunities of the entire series. Had there been a more serious effort there it could have been fantastic with its clever Cold War plot and the most exotic setting in the series. As it is, OP is merely decent to good. Moonraker and A View to a Kill are awful.

My problem is Moonraker is my worst Movie but my favorite Book.... Strange.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Can't remember it - it's been a while. They have all melded into each other. I may go Tescos and buy one seeing as I am a gentleman of leisure today.

I'm picturing a tall man with an Egg for a head, wearing a tweed suit and cravat, shopping at HMV.

 

[Eggyman]

I'm picturing a tall man with an Egg for a head, wearing a tweed suit and cravat, shopping at HMV.

You have me pegged. HMV is a good idea actually... they have a bike rack outside where I can park my penny-farthing.

 

[Matt]

goldeneye is aweful...

only decent bit is the first ten minutes

Care to elaborate?

 

[November Rain]

It's been a while since i saw it but i remember being completely and utterly underwhelmed by it.

I'm also not fond of the anti-hero villain, the rogue agent.

it was all just one big....urgh but i will give it the benefit of the doubt of another viewing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

^^^^ Wow "there is no debate" Yeah...there really really really is.

They are easily the best made films of the series. I do not believe the quality of film can be questioned. Only one's enjoyment. A good film is a good film. A superior film is a superior film. A crap film is a crap film. You can enjoy something more, but in terms of pure cinema, those are the "real" films in the series. Everything else is either gimmicky or not fully realized. Goldeneye is good and has some brilliant moments. But it is stuck with such utter repetitive and stupid moments it can't compare. I like to use Die Another Day in situations like this. It is a microcosm of the entire series. Good ideas, with questionable to every so often terrible execution.

Goldeneye is generic. Good, but generic. Leg crushing villain, as hot as she is, is generic. Leaving someone to be killed by missiles when you can just put two between their eyes? Generic and foolish. Don't even get me started on the "catching of the plane" moment or absurd dialogue between Bond and Natalya.

 

[Golgo-13]

My problem is Moonraker is my worst Movie but my favorite Book.... Strange.

I truly don't understand all the hate for Moonraker. The only aspect i found underwhelming was that they made the villan Jaws come off as comic relief. Everything else was fine.

 

[Hunter Rider]

They are easily the best made films of the series. I do not believe the quality of film can be questioned. Only one's enjoyment. A good film is a good film. A superior film is a superior film. A crap film is a crap film. You can enjoy something more, but in terms of pure cinema, those are the "real" films in the series. Everything else is either gimmicky or not fully realized. Goldeneye is good and has some brilliant moments. But it is stuck with such utter repetitive and stupid moments it can't compare. I like to use Die Another Day in situations like this. It is a microcosm of the entire series. Good ideas, with questionable to every so often terrible execution.

Completely wrong, Cinema is art and thus art is emotion and interpretation, but hey if you actually think ONHMSS is good film making then good for you, i consider it sub par in several key departments, such as acting, action and dialogue.

Goldeneye is generic. Good, but generic. Leg crushing villain, as hot as she is, is generic. Leaving someone to be killed by missiles when you can just put two between their eyes? Generic and foolish. Don't even get me started on the "catching of the plane" moment or absurd dialogue between Bond and Natalya.

Generic is something that is common place, thus you are again wrong.
the second two lines make it sound like you are actually trying to say the movies you are touting are realistic, thus i am very glad you are not gonna "get started".

 

[Franklin Richards]

They are easily the best made films of the series. I do not believe the quality of film can be questioned. Only one's enjoyment. A good film is a good film. A superior film is a superior film. A crap film is a crap film. You can enjoy something more, but in terms of pure cinema, those are the "real" films in the series. Everything else is either gimmicky or not fully realized. Goldeneye is good and has some brilliant moments. But it is stuck with such utter repetitive and stupid moments it can't compare. I like to use Die Another Day in situations like this. It is a microcosm of the entire series. Good ideas, with questionable to every so often terrible execution.

Goldeneye is generic. Good, but generic. Leg crushing villain, as hot as she is, is generic. Leaving someone to be killed by missiles when you can just put two between their eyes? Generic and foolish. Don't even get me started on the "catching of the plane" moment or absurd dialogue between Bond and Natalya.

Gimmicky

Vaudeville is gimmicky and great.

Generic

If by generic you mean a unit in a series I suppose you are right.

Foolish

Comedia Del arte is foolish but it is legitimate and real.

Absurd

Waiting for Godot is absurd and yet it's still real.

Why am I being so nitpicky? Because you are speaking in absolutes. Never a good idea.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Completely wrong, Cinema is art and thus art is emotion and interpretation, but hey if you actually think ONHMSS is good film making then good for you, i consider it sub par in several key departments, such as acting, action and dialogue.

No I find that to be the cheap cop out parents use to example to their children why they are being forced to watch crappy film or television.

OHMSS has its problems, as small as they are, acting is not one of them. Lazenby's Bond is actually well... Bond. He spends most of the film looking slightly amused and little more. It fights. Even with his interplay with Tracey, he doesn't need to pour on the suave or lift his eyebrows to indicate to everyone that he is about to get laid. Hes Bond. He knows that. His lack of experience as an actor probably kept him from trying to mimic Connery who only really hit the make in FRWL. Only three moments really call for geniune emotion and he hits all three. Action is great imo. Bond actually hits people and you feel it with the sped up film. The car chase if filmed nicely as is the skiing. Only problem is the sled ride, that I cannot ever see being able to get right.

I have no idea what you mean by dialogue. Please give me an example, because I can't remember any such problems.

Generic is something that is common place, thus you are again wrong.
the second two lines make it sound like you are actually trying to say the movies you are touting are realistic, thus i am very glad you are not gonna "get started".

Generic is what I said and what I meant. Your henchmen with their "trait" and the basic Bond is going to get his manhood lasered off in the way that takes so long he will eventually find a way out of the situation. Done over and over again. FRWL and CR handle these situations in completely different ways. One with Bond being saved by Vesper's "sacrifice" and Grant's Irish heritage.

And there is the point were you can stretch the realism, before eye rolling ensues. No fights in film, no matter how "real" they are said to be, really look anything like an actual fight. However actions scenes can get to the point were all you can do is roll your eyes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Gimmicky

Vaudeville is gimmicky and great.

Generic

If by generic you mean a unit in a series I suppose you are right.

Foolish

Comedia Del arte is foolish but it is legitimate and real.

Absurd

Waiting for Godot is absurd and yet it's still real.

Why am I being so nitpicky? Because you are speaking in absolutes. Never a good idea.

It is my writing and unless I start naming sources, it is all my opinion. And Yoda spoke it absolutes. So did Gandalf. I think they are ok. t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

No I find that to be the cheap cop out parents use to example to their children why they are being forced to watch crappy film or television.

The opposite is used by ppl with an arrogance to try and deem their view as fact.

OHMSS has its problems, as small as they are, acting is not one of them. Lazenby's Bond is actually well... Bond. He spends most of the film looking slightly amused and little more. It fights. Even with his interplay with Tracey, he doesn't need to pour on the suave or lift his eyebrows to indicate to everyone that he is about to get laid. Hes Bond. He knows that. His lack of experience as an actor probably kept him from trying to mimic Connery who only really hit the make in FRWL. Only three moments really call for geniune emotion and he hits all three. Action is great imo. Bond actually hits people and you feel it with the sped up film. The car chase if filmed nicely as is the skiing. Only problem is the sled ride, that I cannot ever see being able to get right.

Actually acting is one of them, both Lazenby and Savalas are horrible in both roles, almost spooflike in their portrayals. The fights look like they came from a Carry On movie IMO so again all you are doing is touting your hard on for the movie as fact, all of which is easily debated away to mere like or dislike.

I have no idea what you mean by dialogue. Please give me an example, because I can't remember any such problems.

You don't recall any of the horrible cringe worthy "undercover" deliveries as Hilary saint James ?

Generic is what I said and what I meant. Your henchmen with their "trait" and the basic Bond is going to get his manhood lasered off in the way that takes so long he will eventually find a way out of the situation. Done over and over again. FRWL and CR handle these situations in completely different ways. One with Bond being saved by Vesper's "sacrifice" and Grant's Irish heritage.

Humans have traits, thus characters have traits, if a character has a trait that is not seen regularly in other characters then they are not generic, thus you are over simplifying your reasoning.

And there is the point were you can stretch the realism, before eye rolling ensues. No fights in film, no matter how "real" they are said to be, really look anything like an actual fight. However actions scenes can get to the point were all you can do is roll your eyes.

Like the entire end battle in OHHMSS ?