Superman Returns Jason's End at the hands of a Supervillian?

[Silver Lad]

I wanted to make this a seperate topic to gauge some opinions on it. Bryan basically said that the Superman sequel will be 'The Wrath of Khan' implying that Superman will go up against a menacing 'alien villian' who will push him over the edge.

There are only certain things that could make Superman furious enough to yell the name of the villian ("Khaaaaaan") and get ready to beat the living hell out of him; that would be if the villian ever harmed Martha, Lois or Jason.

Somehow I dont see Lois or Martha getting axed....

So what about 8/9 year old Jason White? Singer identified himself as a hardcore Trek fan and even within these early Trek films; I noticed Kirk had an illegetimate son...who was killed...causing a deep hatred between him and the villians responsible.

Brainiac seems certainly cold and soulless enough to commit such an act or to inject Jason with some kind of virus. Darkseid killed Superman's friend Dan Turpin in "Apokolips Now" to have the same effect on Superman and it was handled brilliantly....in fact it was my favorite STAS episode.

This would definately make Kal-El into a more badass, action driven superhero pushed to his extreme. It could be dramatic and intense if handled right and could let Brandon explore some sides of the character that werent seen in SR.

I think if theres enough interest in this concept, it could happen, since Mike and Dan frequent BT alot.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[kal-el2006]

no..jason was a good character..i'd like to see more of him.

 

[Silver Lad]

You will. Obviously you'll see alot of him in the sequel, but I dont think he should grow into his teens. It should end in the sequel.

 

[The Kid]

i never saw that Khan movie. Any good?

 

[Superfreak]

He should be made to kneel before the great statue of Zod at Mt. Rushmore, just before being killed... leading to Superrage, wherein Superman destroys his enemy

 

[bosef982]

I'm thinking more of a viral injection that threatens to kill Jason, resulting in a group of vagabound Kryptonians taking Jason with them in the end, with the permission of a distraught Lois and Superman, so they can save him.

 

[Mr. Thing]

As long he's away in some way in the sequel.

 

[The Sage]

I'm thinking more of a viral injection that threatens to kill Jason, resulting in a group of vagabound Kryptonians taking Jason with them in the end, with the permission of a distraught Lois and Superman, so they can save him.

Cable?

 

[Triligors]

I liked Jason as a character. But, I think his death would be a really, really powerful motivation. It would also show a more human and vulnerable side of Superman. Most, if this ever happened, would find the killer and get pay back. The question would be- how far would Superman go if this ever happened to him?

I would love to see what he does. I like Jason as a character, but I really am interested in what this could do to Superman's core beliefs.

 

[Silver Lad]

Dude Watch Apokalips Now Part 2. Its pretty brilliant in the last 5 minutes. Theres potential there to explore new sides to Superman's character through this.

http://livedigital.com/content/318190/

If S-II can expand on something like this, but with Jason as the casualty, it would be great.

 

[Steelsheen]

i'm no fan of the kid, but i'm afraid that killing him would have a backlash of some kind specially from folks and the GP who do like him.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The kid won't be killed off IMO.Superman the father is a theme i think Singer wants to explore and i also think ppl are taking his Khan comment to literally,to me he just meant an action packed sequel to a more subdued first movie
If anyone dies it will be Richard sacrificing himself to save Lois IMO which will bring up some interesting emotions for Superman and Lois to deal with

 

[Galactical]

Jason's a main character now. He'll fight alongside super dad and defeat brainiac in the end with a piano or guitar. He won't ever die.

 

[Silver Lad]

If anyone dies it will be Richard sacrificing himself to save Lois IMO which will bring up some interesting emotions for Superman and Lois to deal with

No man. Thats garbage. Its obvious Richard would eventually lose Lois to Superman, but he shouldnt lose his life also... thats just too much. It would make Superman look like the lesser man and Richard as the great hero.

Methinks Jason is the key.

 

[Hunter Rider]

No man. Thats garbage. Its obvious Richard would eventually lose Lois to Superman, but he shouldnt lose his life also... thats just too much. It would make Superman look like the lesser man and Richard as the great hero.

Methinks Jason is the key.

If Lois leaves Richard for Superman it makes her look like a b1tch and Superman a jerk,this way it takes him out heroically and solves the fact that we all know Lois really loves Superman but both are to decent to act on it
There's no reason to kill Jason other than fanboys wanting him gone

 

[Triligors]

I think the poll should have more options. Because I could go either way, but leaning more towards yes. I really like the character of Jason. But also want to see what his death could do to Superman and to what lengths it would make Superman go to. But, they could also do this by Jason winding up in the hospital near death similar to the film Paparazzi. In which Jason winds up in the hospital, the doctors think that he has little chance for recovery and the case looks hopeless. That would cause a similar to response to Jason being dead, without actually killing him and being able to use his character for the next film as well. So, for me- in between- would be a great way to go. Keep the character, show what this situation could do.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think the poll should have more options. Because I could go either way, but leaning more towards yes. I really like the character of Jason. But also want to see what his death could do to Superman and to what lengths it would make Superman go to.

I'd wager they won't kill a child off in a Superman movie,there are other avenues to explore Superman's character without killing his son IMO

 

[retconned]

i never saw that Khan movie. Any good?

Although the special effects are dated, it's by far the best Trek movie ever. It actually saved the Trek franchise as a whole, if it had not been for Wrath of Khan, you wouldn't have all the trek that you do today.

It's funny that Singer made this analogy because I can also see the comparison of Returns and Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

 

[Triligors]

Yeah, just thought of another way to do it- in my edited post above. I like the character of Jason and what he could bring to the table, this is one of the things that I would like to see- to what lengths a father is willing to go for their child. Because I'm not a father and I know to what lengths I would go if ever in this situation, it seems to be a natural instinct in a way that I would like to see Superman handle. The movie Paparazzi did it in a way that caused a very similar reaction, but never killed the kid. I think that would be a better way to go.

Also this scenario could put Clark at almost losing his son, before actually telling him that he's his father. Thus, the end could lead up to a big reveal as well. Superman stepping up and becoming a father, rather than a father watching his son grow up from a distance.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, just thought of another way to do it- in my edited post above. I like the character of Jason and what he could bring to the table, this is one of the things that I would like to see- to what lengths a father is willing to go for their child. Because I'm not a father and I know to what lengths I would go if ever in this situation, it seems to be a natural instinct in a way that I would like to see Superman handle. The movie Paparazzi did it in a way that caused a very similar reaction, but never killed the kid. I think that would be a better way to go.

Also this scenario could put Clark at almost losing his son, before actually telling him that he's his father. Thus, the end could lead up to a big reveal as well.

I think Jason will end up in peril in the sequel due to the fact Lex knows Jasons identity and they can explore how Superman the father reacts to this and how far he would go to protect his son without actually semi killing Jason in any form

 

[Silver Lad]

It's funny that Singer made this analogy because I can also see the comparison of Returns and Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Agreed. Maybe that was intentional

 

[Triligors]

Yeah, that would be great. Because those are really human emotions that I want to see how this scenario would effect the Man of Steel and how far he goes. Also, is a great way to transition from a "watching from afar" father, to a more involved father. Meaning an actual reveal to Lois and Jason.

 

[retconned]

Agreed. Maybe that was intentional

I really hope Singer wouldn't take that big of a gamble. Thats actually the problem with these franchise movies, the writers are thinking of the sequel before the first one comes out.

 

[Silver Lad]

I really hope Singer wouldn't take that big of a gamble. Thats actually the problem with these franchise movies, the writers are thinking of the sequel before the first one comes out.

TWOK is also a very dark movie also, this may piss people off who want a happy light campy Superman film *cough* Ebert *cough*...

Assuming the sequel is darker than SR. I'm hoping to actually see some blood this time since I remember as a kid, TWOK was the first time I saw I dead burned bloody corpse...and I loved it.

 

[Immortalfire]

The more I think, and the more talk I see, just convinced me more and more that Jason is the most pointless addition I have ever seen