Jay Z or Eminem???!!!

[Godman]

Who is the best emcee out of the two overall

Jay has stayed on point while Eminem has fallen off so I see why many would currently give it to Jay, but in Eminem's prime and Jay Z's prime's Eminem bvy far was the superior emcee and has NEVER talked about collateral and how more dominant he is as a rich, made man. Eminem has some GREAT music and singles, so has Jay z so with both their underground stuff and their mainstream stuff, who would you give that title to???

 

[knowsbleed]

Oh man... *awaits the slew of rap sucks comments*.

I'll stick with classic Eminem. As much as I hate what he's evolved into and how little true hip hop there is out there right now, a lot of his old rhyme still astound me. He was really on a different level. Jay is nice sometimes but has never, ever really floored me with his lyrics. I personally feel that he got destroyed by Nas... but that's just me.

 

[Alexia Dark]

Neither of them add anything of value to any musical genre, and therefore, one of them cannot be 'best' at something which they don't really contribute to.

Yes, as you can tell, I don't consider rap/hip-hop/anything involving more 'yeahs', 'uhs', and 'yo's' than actual singing to be music. Which means, a heck of a lot of stuff that's 'popular' right now.

I see that knowsbleed has the gift of foresight .

 

[knowsbleed]

Oh man... *awaits the slew of rap sucks comments*.

Neither of them add anything of value to any musical genre, and therefore, one of them cannot be 'best' at something which they don't really contribute to.

Yes, as you can tell, I don't consider rap/hip-hop/anything involving more 'yeahs', 'uhs', and 'yo's' than actual singing to be music. Which means, a heck of a lot of stuff that's 'popular' right now.

I see that knowsbleed has the gift of foresight

I'm psychic like whoa, yeah, uh, yo.

 

[StrainedEyes]

Neither of them add anything of value to any musical genre, and therefore, one of them cannot be 'best' at something which they don't really contribute to.

Yes, as you can tell, I don't consider rap/hip-hop/anything involving more 'yeahs', 'uhs', and 'yo's' than actual singing to be music. Which means, a heck of a lot of stuff that's 'popular' right now.

I see that knowsbleed has the gift of foresight .

It's a shame that you're so close minded on the subject.

Anyway, I'm not a big Jay-Z fan. A lot of his songs sound the same and only a small number of them have any replay value for me. Not to mention the fact that who knows which lines he wrote or which lines he paid for.

Eminem however, in his heyday, was a beast. Classic after classic in my opinion. A lot of his best songs have so much more to them then the "yeah" and "uhs" that Alexia believes all rap is. He's a great story teller and when he's on fire, his rhymes can't be touched.

I think Jay needs to stop making music, and I hope Em has some fire left in him.

 

[Godman]

Oh man... *awaits the slew of rap sucks comments*.

I'll stick with classic Eminem. As much as I hate what he's evolved into and how little true hip hop there is out there right now, a lot of his old rhyme still astound me. He was really on a different level. Jay is nice sometimes but has never, ever really floored me with his lyrics. I personally feel that he got destroyed by Nas... but that's just me.

He did get destroyed by Nas...badly

 

[Godman]

Neither of them add anything of value to any musical genre, and therefore, one of them cannot be 'best' at something which they don't really contribute to.

Yes, as you can tell, I don't consider rap/hip-hop/anything involving more 'yeahs', 'uhs', and 'yo's' than actual singing to be music. Which means, a heck of a lot of stuff that's 'popular' right now.

I see that knowsbleed has the gift of foresight .

You don't need to comment here. Music is what it is. I agree that Hip Hop today is not to be proud of but you can not speak on something you don't understand.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

JayZ's old stuff pwns any of Eminem's stuff. 'Nuff said.

 

[Godman]

It's a shame that you're so close minded on the subject.

Anyway, I'm not a big Jay-Z fan. A lot of his songs sound the same and only a small number of them have any replay value for me. Not to mention the fact that who knows which lines he wrote or which lines he paid for.

Eminem however, in his heyday, was a beast. Classic after classic in my opinion. A lot of his best songs have so much more to them then the "yeah" and "uhs" that Alexia believes all rap is. He's a great story teller and when he's on fire, his rhymes can't be touched.

I think Jay needs to stop making music, and I hope Em has some fire left in him.

You said it perfectly. Eminem is one of the best and greatest lyricists of ALL time period. The guy has got song on the level of Michael Jackson, Beatles and even Bob Marley, but Eminem does it in his own comical way. I knew he had more in him then slapstick when I heard Eminem Show which had his most substance. Mosh was GREAT too for the subject matter was grimey. He was a beats. Jay also has some great mental consepts but nowhere on the level of Em. Jay isn't really the best story teller. He also doesn't really have any one thing that I'd say he takes with no competition.

 

[Godman]

JayZ's old stuff pwns any of Eminem's stuff. 'Nuff said.

LOL, not one verse form Jay can EVER touch Eminem's lyrics on the track Infinite, and Em proved he can ish on Jay on his OWN album. Jay talks collateral, Eminem talks about himself and his personal pains and jokes about them. Jay Z is not really much different then any other rapper. he just does what they do to a better level, but still the same where as Eminem and Joe Budden are probably the only rappers I know to give us that much of themselves in their lyrics.

 

[Alexia Dark]

It's a shame that you're so close minded on the subject.

Anyway, I'm not a big Jay-Z fan. A lot of his songs sound the same and only a small number of them have any replay value for me. Not to mention the fact that who knows which lines he wrote or which lines he paid for.

Eminem however, in his heyday, was a beast. Classic after classic in my opinion. A lot of his best songs have so much more to them then the "yeah" and "uhs" that Alexia believes all rap is. He's a great story teller and when he's on fire, his rhymes can't be touched.

I think Jay needs to stop making music, and I hope Em has some fire left in him.

I vaguely remember approving of his actual story-telling skills in 8 Mile (the part in which he tells his life's story, admitting his faults and such, during the competition). However, I believe that lyrics are one of two things: meant to be sung, or meant to be poetry. Rap clearly isn't sung, and much of it is too... basic to be worthy of being called 'poetry'. I have seen some decent rap/hip-hop song lyrics, but the way in which they're presented just instinctually sickens me.

You don't need to comment here. Music is what it is. I agree that Hip Hop today is not to be proud of but you can not speak on something you don't understand.

For the past few years, rap and hiphop have been almost everything I've heard whenever I turn on my tv or listen to the radio. I'm sure I've heard enough to form my own opinion, thanks. If the situation were reversed, and all that currently played in popular media were current Broadway songs, and you didn't like them, I would consider your opinion valid.

 

[Zacky]

i pick eminem

 

[StrainedEyes]

I vaguely remember approving of his actual story-telling skills in 8 Mile (the part in which he tells his life's story, admitting his faults and such, during the competition). However, I believe that lyrics are one of two things: meant to be sung, or meant to be poetry. Rap clearly isn't sung, and much of it is too... basic to be worthy of being called 'poetry'. I have seen some decent rap/hip-hop song lyrics, but the way in which they're presented just instinctually sickens me.

Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a mother****in drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You ****in do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the

See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he the latter - a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, who they can be mad at today
See it's easy as cake, simple as whistlin Dixie
while I'm wavin the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
in holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I'm a mother****in spiteful, DELIGHTFUL eyeful
The new Ice Cube - mother****ers HATE to like you
What did I do? (huh?) I'm just a kid from the gutter
makin this butter off these bloodsuckers, cause I'm a muh'****in
Renegade!

Rap is all about flow.

and Eminem killed Jay-Z on that song.

 

[Alex_The_ Large]

I never liked jay-z maybe 1 or 2 songs, so i got for m&m

 

[Godman]

I vaguely remember approving of his actual story-telling skills in 8 Mile (the part in which he tells his life's story, admitting his faults and such, during the competition). However, I believe that lyrics are one of two things: meant to be sung, or meant to be poetry. Rap clearly isn't sung, and much of it is too... basic to be worthy of being called 'poetry'. I have seen some decent rap/hip-hop song lyrics, but the way in which they're presented just instinctually sickens me.




For the past few years, rap and hiphop have been almost everything I've heard whenever I turn on my tv or listen to the radio. I'm sure I've heard enough to form my own opinion, thanks. If the situation were reversed, and all that currently played in popular media were current Broadway songs, and you didn't like them, I would consider your opinion valid.

You have to study something to judge it. I used to judge reggae in that same ignorant manner until I actually listened to it. Same goes for country music which all sounds the same but they damn sure can write lyrics. I give chance to every angle of a genre before i cancel out an entire genre of music.

You ever heard of Rakim? Slick Rick? Lauren Hill? The Fugees? Common? Lupe Fiasco?...go listen to them and tell me what you think, but you may just not like it. Rap is not singing and as a matter of fact a LOTT of it is poetry. Just because they don't speak of meadows, and green pastures or use thou and thy a lot...it it peotry on a who nother level. You must not have heard Nas, Illmatic. Hip hop was born as a voice for the negro community who had no voice but caucasian domination on radio waves with THEIR culture everywhere till blacks started their own form of revolutionary music that has been disrespected by this non elevated new gen, but hey...It is a very important form of art if you truly give it time to CARE.

 

[Godman]

Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a mother****in drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin to do but make you look stupid as parents
You ****in do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the

See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he the latter - a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, who they can be mad at today
See it's easy as cake, simple as whistlin Dixie
while I'm wavin the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
in holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I'm a mother****in spiteful, DELIGHTFUL eyeful
The new Ice Cube - mother****ers HATE to like you
What did I do? (huh?) I'm just a kid from the gutter
makin this butter off these bloodsuckers, cause I'm a muh'****in
Renegade!

Rap is all about flow.

and Eminem killed Jay-Z on that song.

Now that is poetry...don't see how one could even argue that AT ALL!!!

and rap is all about lyrics too and a form of elevating to a better place of mind and spirit. it was revolution music.

 

[Alexia Dark]

See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist
But that ain't the case, see it's a matter of taste
We as a people decide if Shady's as bad as they say he is
Or is he the latter - a gateway to escape?
Media scapegoat, who they can be mad at today
See it's easy as cake, simple as whistlin Dixie
while I'm wavin the pistol at sixty Christians against me
Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics
in holy water - no wonder they try to hold me under longer
I'm a mother****in spiteful, DELIGHTFUL eyeful
The new Ice Cube - mother****ers HATE to like you
What did I do? (huh?) I'm just a kid from the gutter
makin this butter off these bloodsuckers, cause I'm a muh'****in
Renegade!

Rap is all about flow.

and Eminem killed Jay-Z on that song.

First half would make for some interesting teen-angst poetry. Second half I could care less about.

Flow being... what, exactly? Tempo? I'd love me some coloratura rap.

 

[JP]

Eminem has and always will suck.

 

[knowsbleed]

JayZ's old stuff pwns any of Eminem's stuff. 'Nuff said.

Hhahahaha... hahahahaha



MWAAAHAHahahahahahahaHHAHAHAhaha... haha... oohhh man... oh






HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Joker]

They both suck...But I'm going to give it to Eminem, for writing a song about raping nuns. That's pretty awesome.

 

[Godman]

Eminem has and always will suck.

ok so I guess your another ignorant rap hater cause though you may not like Eminem...He is FAR from sucking.

 

[Godman]

They both suck...But I'm going to give it to Eminem, for writing a song about raping nuns. That's pretty awesome.

You must be in highschool or ignorant to rap.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

A rapper doesn't mean you're rude, and in peoples face, and obnoxious, and make little puppet fetish videos about teenagers having sex and "rapping" with an annoying high pitched voice. Rap is poetry. I don't like Jay-Z's new stuff or any of Eminem's stuff, but when it comes down to overall, Jay-Z's old music was actually pretty good. Either way, they're both Commercial Rappers and need to stop releasing crap.

 

[JP]

ok so I guess your another ignorant rap hater cause though you may not like Eminem...He is FAR from sucking.

Dude, I was born and raised in the Bronx. Live in Harlem right now. I doubt I'd still be alive if I was an 'ignorant rap hater'.

You asked a question and I gave you my answer. Em sucks. Deal with it.

 

[knowsbleed]

First half would make for some interesting teen-angst poetry. Second half I could care less about.

I'll bite. Here's some poetry for you... forgive the initial "yo".

Yo...on the amen, corner I stood lookin at my former hood
Felt the spirit in the wind, knew my friend was gone for good
Threw dirt on the casket, the hurt, I couldn't mask it
Mixing down emotions, struggle I hadn't mastered
I choreograph seven steps to heaven
And hell, waiting to exhale and make the bread leavened
Veteran of a cold war its chica-i-go for
What I know or, whats known
So some days I take the bus home, just to touch home
From the crib I spend months gone
Sat by the window with a clutched dome listening to shorties cuss long
Young girls with weak minds, but they butt strong
Tried to call, or at least beep the lord, but didn't have a touch-tone
Its a dog-eat-dog world, you gotta mush on
Some of this land I must own
Outta the city, they want us gone
Tearing down the projects creating plush homes
My circumstance is between cabrini and love jones
Surrounded by hate, yet I love home
Ask my God how he thought traveling the world sound
Found it hard to imagine he hadn't been past downtown
Its deep, I heard the city breathe in its sleep
Of reality I touch, but for me its hard to keep
Deep, I heard my man breathe in his sleep
Of reality I touch, but for me its hard to keep