BvS Jesse Eisenberg IS Lex Luthor - Part 6

[Young Superman]

I hope Jesse's Lex is a m x of both corrupt businessman and mad scientist.

 

[scatterax]

He's usually still a mad scientist to an extent even when he's a corrupt business man. Like reverse tony stark.

 

[Dr. Thanos]

He's usually still a mad scientist to an extent even when he's a corrupt business man. Like reverse tony stark.

When you're a genius and always trying to defeat Superman, you can't help but use some of that intellect for some mad scientist tinkering. He is the smartest human on DC Earth after all.

 

[Rodrigo90]

He's a visionary...like, Hitler or Disney, if you will

 

[scatterax]

When you're a genius and always trying to defeat Superman, you can't help but use some of that intellect for some mad scientist tinkering. He is the smartest human on DC Earth after all.

Science wise, I agree. Everything else goes to Bruce Wayne. (Well maybe not magic knowledge)

 

[DKDetective]

Science wise, I agree. Everything else goes to Bruce Wayne. (Well maybe not magic knowledge)

Urggh, am I the only one who doesn't like omniscient, Batgod Bruce Wayne? Wayne should be a polymath but not a foremost expert in every field, more of a jack of all trades, master of none except maybe martial arts and ninjitsu.

 

[jonathancrane]

I was reading Forever Evil - the first issue? - and there's a great scene where Lex threatens to systematically destroy a rival industrialist, unless he sells his company to him.

I would like to think the characterization is modeled on this iteration of Lex; on his own, Eisenberg's not intimidating or does not scream villain material. But, if written like this, they could make him as awesomely evil as Redford in TWS. I'm pretty sure we'll get something like this, sans power suit.

 

[Dr. Thanos]

Science wise, I agree. Everything else goes to Bruce Wayne. (Well maybe not magic knowledge)

No, not a chance. Luthor is way smarter. Batman is a better detective, and possibly a better strategist, but Lex is a 12th level intellect almost on par with Brainiac and beats him on memory, science, engineering, and basically anything else. He's a master of the human condition.

Luthor only ever loses because A- he's a villain and B- he's always going against Superman. Have you read Red Son? In the beggining of that story, shortly before Superman arrives, you can see how ridiculously intelligent Lex can be if he doesn't have a Superman to be obsessive about.

 

[Jekecy]

No, not a chance. Luthor is way smarter. Batman is a better detective, and possibly a better strategist, but Lex is a 12th level intellect almost on par with Brainiac and beats him on memory, science, engineering, and basically anything else.

Citation? That seems objectively incorrect.

He's a master of the human condition.

That's practically Bruce's schtick.

 

[Nathan]

Urggh, am I the only one who doesn't like omniscient, Batgod Bruce Wayne? Wayne should be a polymath but not a foremost expert in every field, more of a jack of all trades, master of none except maybe martial arts and ninjitsu.

That's what I'd prefer. I liked how in JLU, he went to the Question, and had him look for clues and connections that even he couldn't find.

 

[Dr. Thanos]

Citation? That seems objectively incorrect.

Last episode of JLU. Since cartoon Luthor never appeared to be less intelligent than his comic counterpart, we can assume this is also true for the comic version. And either way, that's still higher than Batman.

 

[chamber-music]

To get back on topic; I'm actually interested in seeing this different portrayal of Lex, I have no idea if it's going to work or not but I'm always open to different portrayals of legendary fictional characters. Eisenberg is such an unexpected choice for the villain of a huge Superhero epic. I mean Michael Shannon looked like an unhinged villain, Jesse Eisenberg? Not so much.

Eisenberg was a cocky sneaky SOB in Social Network and Now You See Me.

If you have seen the Double Eisenberg plays a evil twin who bullies, manipulates and charms people.

I think Eisenberg has the ingredients to be a good Lex.

 

[NosfeRomas]

Urggh, am I the only one who doesn't like omniscient, Batgod Bruce Wayne? Wayne should be a polymath but not a foremost expert in every field, more of a jack of all trades, master of none except maybe martial arts and ninjitsu.

And that's why i don't like New 52 Batman. Jack of all trades master of none isn't the Batman i like. I agree we shouldn't get Batgod exactly but Batman IS an expert on many fields.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

Eisenberg was a cocky sneaky SOB in Social Network and Now You See Me.

If you have seen the Double Eisenberg plays a evil twin who bullies, manipulates and charms people.

I think Eisenberg has the ingredients to be a good Lex.

The Double was fantastic, but I think Eisenberg might give us something quite different from that. He's literally this film's version of Christopher Reeve.

When Reeve was cast, he was so scrawny nobody could see him as a charming, powerful Superman. With Eisenberg, no one can see him as a charming, powerful Lex. But he has the chops, and that's what counts.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Eisenberg should still bulk up a bit or something. Lex always looked his best against Superman by having a decent presence of his own. Even though he couldn't literally go toe to toe with him, he has a look of some intimidation as well.

 

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Eisenberg should still bulk up a bit or something. Lex always looked his best against Superman by having a decent presence of his own. Even though he couldn't literally go toe to toe with him, he has a look of some intimidation as well.

Um... no. Did you dislike the animated Doomsday Lex? I thought he was still good without looking muscle bound. This is a villain that uses his intellect not brawn anyways. It's not necessary imo for him to be jacked.

 

[GreenKToo]

For me, I want batman to be the best detective since holmes, and so good at martial arts that bruce lee would go WOW!! That said, to do lex justice like most of us want, he needs to be the most intelligent human on earth. Maybe his weakness can be a lack of common sense. I know some pretty smart people that cant walk and chew gum at the same time but can tell you what happened on any given day 500 years ago.

 

[GreenKToo]

The lex I want could play chess with einstein, poker with hitler, and monopoly with trump and win them all.

 

[chamber-music]

The same way Superman needs to be vulnerable and have common human qualities make his relatable so does Batman. The quickest way to kill Batman's popularity on screen would would to bring the worst aspects of the 'Batgod' take on Batman to live action.

Batman as a renaissance man (skilled detective, businessman, scientist, martial artist, strategist, ect) is fine but making him the best in the world in every field would be over kill.

For me, I want batman to be the best detective since holmes, and so good at martial arts that bruce lee would go WOW!! That said, to do lex justice like most of us want, he needs to be the most intelligent human on earth. Maybe his weakness can be a lack of common sense. I know some pretty smart people that cant walk and chew gum at the same time but can tell you what happened on any given day 500 years ago.

I feel Lex weakness should be his obsessive nature, his pride and his huge ego. Lex is the kind of guy who who wants to rub his victories into the faces of his enemies.

 

[regwec]

Science wise, I agree. Everything else goes to Bruce Wayne. (Well maybe not magic knowledge)

Characters like Vandal Savage and Ra's al Ghul, both of whom have been around for centuries, probably have the edge on wordly wisdom and knowledge of languages, cultures, geography etc.

Urggh, am I the only one who doesn't like omniscient, Batgod Bruce Wayne? Wayne should be a polymath but not a foremost expert in every field, more of a jack of all trades, master of none except maybe martial arts and ninjitsu.

He should also be the foremost escapologist. The movies have never dealt with this.

Lex is a 12th level intellect almost on par with Brainiac and beats him on memory, science, engineering, and basically anything else.

That's not right - Brainiac has the accrued knowledge of several alien civilizations. However learned Lex is, his knowledge doesn't exceed the human sphere.

 

[chamber-music]

I loved that John Byrne Lex Luthor story in which he offered a small town waitress called Jenny a million dollars to be his live in lover for a month. The waitress says she is married and not that kind of woman. Lex deconstructs mundane cliché her past, present and future. Lex tells her he will be waiting in the parking lot for ten minutes.

Lex drives off without waiting to hear Jenny's answer. It turns out Lex did it just to mess with the waitress knowing that the question of what if she had went with him will torment the waitress for the rest of her life. It is also implied he does stuff like this all the time.

I loved it because it is not just another supervillain messing with another superhero story, this was a supervillain messing with regular every day people just for his own amusement.

 

[GreenKToo]

Characters like Vandal Savage and Ra's al Ghul, both of whom have been around for centuries, probably have the edge on wordly wisdom and knowledge of languages, cultures, geography etc.



He should also be the foremost escapologist. The movies have never dealt with this.



That's not right - Brainiac has the accrued knowledge of several alien civilizations. However learned Lex is, his knowledge doesn't exceed the human sphere.

I think it should be lex's capacity to learn that sets him apart. What would take you and I or anyone else days or weeks to learn, lex could learn in a couple minutes. I want him that smart, and as ruthless as stalin, rich as gates.

 

[GreenKToo]

For instance. Brainiac may have more knowledge than lex when they first meet, but after a few minutes with lex, brainiac would be doubting his own existence.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Urggh, am I the only one who doesn't like omniscient, Batgod Bruce Wayne? Wayne should be a polymath but not a foremost expert in every field, more of a jack of all trades, master of none except maybe martial arts and ninjitsu.

Are you on about the "actual" Bat-God, the characterisation of Batman by Grant Morrison that was dubbed Bat-God in 1998 from his JLA run?

If so, I couldn't disagree with you more. He presented a very human Batman, but one that is so single minded and obsessed in how he pursues being Batman that it's genuinely feasible that he can contribute to a team of omnipotent characters. And that's not to say he's invincible. He's often caught unaware by things, but only ever once. One of my favourite Batman quotes is from Morrison's Bat-God (I'll try and get it right): "Obvious variations aside there's only one human body. 206 bones, 50, 000 miles of blood vessels. All it takes is time, days. Weeks. Months. Years, spent studying the finite number of ways there are to hurt and break a man. I've escaped every conceivable death trap ten times. A dozen times. But benchpressing a pine coffin lid under 600 pounds of loose soil that's shredding your dehydrated muscles and filling your mouth and lungs. That's harder. But FAR from impossible."

 

[GreenKToo]

Interesting. I would like for each member of the league to be the absolute best at one thing or maybe a couple of things.
Superman-strength. WW-warrior skills. Batman-detective skills and martial arts, etc etc.
Thats not to say that ww isnt strong or superman cant be a good detective its just that certain members are the best at certain things.