Jim Cameron switches gears into the space mining industry (yes, you read that right)

yeah it is consistency fail... waste of time, waste of space...

lol at the person about Michael Bay... he should devote himself to this as he knows more I'm sure than Cameron so that Cameron can make up to Avatar 5 for several years for those with a narrow minded, pointless completely ill-thought out point of view and not help mankind. Let others do the work right? seriously stupid.

anyways, one possible way to reach these distant asteroids is to use the ion engine which according to briefly reading out it would allow propulsion to be achieved at a faster and faster rate as it starts slow but with time the engine revs up with more energy and it could be very cost effective. It's already in use by NASA and others.
 
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Back to the thread, I wonder how they would try to approach an asteroid? Would it be via robotics or harvesting minerals from other planets possibly? One challenge that puzzles me is, and please correct me if I'm totally wrong here for those who are good at engineering, space and physics, none of which I'm an expert on, how would they make machinery that would be able to land on hurtling fast moving asteroids or meteor rocks which would be able to detach itself from such rocks and come back to Earth with these rich minerals? Or am I completely misunderstanding the idea here?

I think it would be through robotics and remote controlled mining vehicles. Similar to the Mars rovers.
 
I think it would be through robotics and remote controlled mining vehicles. Similar to the Mars rovers.

Agreed. The cost of sending a robot vs sending a person is staggering. It doesn't make fiscal sense to send a group people if you're space mining. Space exploration, however, could use a human. People are much more intuitive than a robot could ever be.
 
How long does it take to train an astronaut to jsut go up to the ISS?

(thinking about the time it will take to get personel for a human-type workforce for this kind of a project).
Sadly it wont be our generation that gets to do that but its fun to speculate
 
Agreed. The cost of sending a robot vs sending a person is staggering. It doesn't make fiscal sense to send a group people if you're space mining. Space exploration, however, could use a human. People are much more intuitive than a robot could ever be.

Indeed, the cost and risk of sending a human is too high, at least our technology is not there yet. It'll be interesting to see what they reveal and their approach in subsequent years.
 
I bet James Cameron would have no problems with me expressing my opinion, he might disagree of course, but he would be into the debate I bet.
I'm causing no trouble, and you all know it, that would be the other people, anyway, my part in the debate seems to be over, thank you.
 
Indeed, the cost and risk of sending a human is too high, at least our technology is not there yet. It'll be interesting to see what they reveal and their approach in subsequent years.

The lack of gravity alone is reason enough to keep people out of space for long periods of time. It's detrimental to their bones and muscles. Mining can safely be done with a drone, meanwhile NASA can focus on how to make manned space-flight a reality.
 
The lack of gravity alone is reason enough to keep people out of space for long periods of time. It's detrimental to their bones and muscles. Mining can safely be done with a drone, meanwhile NASA can focus on how to make manned space-flight a reality.

Now that is something really interesting that they should really push and seem to have given up on. As proven by your avy, it's an integral part of the exploration process.
 
One thing I wonder about is if the type of minerals that can be found there are worth the expenses? Like iron and nickel already exists more than enough on earth already, so it would be a massive quantity they'd need to find or find some other mineral that we have a severe lack of on earth.

African ores like coltan would be great, since the lack of its quantity is now involved with conflicts and wars there.
 
How long does it take to train an astronaut to jsut go up to the ISS?

(thinking about the time it will take to get personel for a human-type workforce for this kind of a project).
Sadly it wont be our generation that gets to do that but its fun to speculate

Astronauts go through a 20 month training process, but I believes that varies depending in their rank and specialization.
 
The problem with the whole manned space flight thing is cost.

Friends of mine, and I don't know whether to truly believe in the validity of this, have claimed or they believe that if the Cold War was still going and NASA was geting the kind of funding it did in the 60s and 80s and on to now, we would have had a moon base by now. i don't know how safe the world would have been or what the climate would have been like but there has been this general regression away from manned space flight which is sad. We're still using old shuttles developed in the 70s with no new real technology in sight.

Check out this short but poignant article below: http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/science/space/humanity-quietly-abandoning-space-future-1.1280519 which I think sums up a lot of what is going on and what issues lie ahead for future space travel.

I agree totally that this operation here for mining resources should be robotic and use no humans. The real race should be to develop two main technology areas. Mineral harvesting like this and completely revolutionary and advanced ways for manned space travel and not rely on old thruster type rockets like Russian has been trying and failing with recently. It will take time and effort and tons of resources but it'd be worth it. The kind of spill over benefits in terms of technology that NASA provides for the rest of humanity is awesome and this would only help improve the technological facets of our life right now and the future.
 
The problem with the whole manned space flight thing is cost.

Friends of mine, and I don't know whether to truly believe in the validity of this, have claimed or they believe that if the Cold War was still going and NASA was geting the kind of funding it did in the 60s and 80s and on to now, we would have had a moon base by now. i don't know how safe the world would have been or what the climate would have been like but there has been this general regression away from manned space flight which is sad. We're still using old shuttles developed in the 70s with no new real technology in sight.

Check out this short but poignant article below: http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/science/space/humanity-quietly-abandoning-space-future-1.1280519 which I think sums up a lot of what is going on and what issues lie ahead for future space travel.

I agree totally that this operation here for mining resources should be robotic and use no humans. The real race should be to develop two main technology areas. Mineral harvesting like this and completely revolutionary and advanced ways for manned space travel and not rely on old thruster type rockets like Russian has been trying and failing with recently. It will take time and effort and tons of resources but it'd be worth it. The kind of spill over benefits in terms of technology that NASA provides for the rest of humanity is awesome and this would only help improve the technological facets of our life right now and the future.

YES. I agree absolutely. Everything NASA invents and researches has beneficial spill over into every day life. Could you imagine if all of the NASA related products we use every day just didn't exist. Life would be radically different. I'm excited for this space mining idea because it represents a step in the right direction and with James Cameron involved it's bound to light some fires under the public (hopefully) and stir up interest in what the future of space flight holds for humanity.
 
Man, as I said, I can't fault the guy for following his passions, but I *can* fault him for leaving some of his artistic garden unattended, and suffering as a result. As I was saying, he wants to be a creative writer too, taking sole credit for his screenplays now(as he did for his last two motion pictures), so if he wants to do that, and have it measure up to his visual skills, then he *has* to buckle down to writing *a lot*, all the time.
This is all i have been saying in one way or another, I don't like to see an artist not fulfill his potential, or do the job to the best of his ability, *when that is what they are best at*, as opposed to focusing on other endeavors that , y'know, a lot of other people could do in his absence.

At the risk of being sucked into yet another pointless argument on these boards, I've got a few things to say about this mindset.

At first, I would say that your point of view is intended to be a noble one. The arts can be an extremely important aspect of society as a whole and the human race at large, and it is important for an artist to continually hone his craft if he want's to progress in talent and skill. As an artist myself, I certainly appreciate this notion.

But that is where I start to disagree with you.

Man, as I said, I can't fault the guy for following his passions, but I *can* fault him for leaving some of his artistic garden unattended, and suffering as a result.

Sure, you can "fault him" but it would be unjust. The man should be allowed to follow his talent and desires where ever they take him, without anyone telling him he is wrong. You speak of his "artistic garden" as if focusing on something else will diminish the work he has already done. Sticking with that analogy, a gardener isn't in his garden 24/7. He comes and goes. Works on the garden some, then goes and makes dinner, or fixes his car, or builds a shed. He can go and do those things and he is still a gardener, he can still water his plants and keep the weeds out. The garden will flourish.

As I was saying, he wants to be a creative writer too, taking sole credit for his screenplays now(as he did for his last two motion pictures), so if he wants to do that, and have it measure up to his visual skills, then he *has* to buckle down to writing *a lot*, all the time.

I don't believe it is fair to assume that he isn't writing enough. Do you see him every waking hour? And what really is "enough"? That is totally dependent on the person and their skill.

I don't like to see an artist not fulfill his potential, or do the job to the best of his ability

James Cameron's potential is not for you to decide. The quality of work he or any artist does rests squarely on their shoulders. You say you hate when an artist doesn't fulfill their potential...you know what an artist hates? Not being able to express themselves the way they want. And that expression isn't always through art. It can be through many other things. In this instance, it is exploration, science and discovery (which has been linked at the hip with the Arts for centuries). I think you have this view that a true artist who is fully committed to their craft lives a solitary life, huddled in their cottage and spends their days and nights doing NOTHING but drawing or writing. That's a false and romantic view. On of the greatest ways an artist can improve themselves is to step away; to learn new things and to explore and see the world from a different perspective, which inherently gives them inspiration and wisdom for when they return to their craft. What your opinion does is it tells Cameron (and every other artist) that this is wrong. You are trying to deny artists one of their most important assets.

*when that is what they are best at*, as opposed to focusing on other endeavors that

Considering James Cameron had a fundamental role in not only the technology behind 3D and oceanography, but also the technology and science behind getting people to the lowest point in the ocean, I'd say he does that pretty damn well, too. Again, it is not for us to decide what an artist (or anyone for that matter) does with their time, much less to tell them what they are best at. What about what makes the artist happy? I would die if I didn't have my writing, musicality, running, nerdery to go along with my art. As I said before, having the freedom to focus on other endeavors, either independent or along side their initial craft, is incredibly important for all people. I think George Matthew Allen said it best:

"People with many interests live, not only longest, but happiest."

y'know, a lot of other people could do in his absence.

True, but obviously no one has. And like so many others have pointed out, that mindset is a horrendous one to have. It is really only an excuse for lethargy and inaction, nevermind the idea that one would be destroying hopes and dreams simply because they think "someone else can do it."

Should Da Vinci not have taken time to study the human body because others were doing it as well? Should the artist Samuel Morse have focused ONLY on his art instead of inventing morse code? Should Thomas Jefferson have focused only on his musical talents?

The answer, of course, is no. It is against a person's very essence of who they are to say "I think you're good at THIS, so you should ONLY do THIS". People NEED to be able to branch out, to follow their dreams and aspirations regardless of what they've done before and what they will do next. You trying to take that away is like taking the quill from Thomas Jefferson and telling him to get back to practicing his scales.
 
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On topic, last night I was reading that some are speculating that one way to do this would be to capture an asteroid and bring it into an orbit around the moon and mine it from there. Would this be feasible?

Oh and one of the articles I read had a quote saying, "This should be up and running within 20 years." Does that seem quick for such a huge endeavour?
 
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Im away for a llittle while and this place goes to hell. We should just ignore Bum and maybe he will go away.

On topic, last night I was reading that some are speculating that one way to do this would be to capture an asteroid and bring it into an orbit around the moon and mine it from there. Would this be feasible?

Oh and one of the articles I read had a quote saying, "This should be up and running within 20 years." Does that seem quick for such a huge endeavour?
Well, look at how short of time it took to go the the moon.
 
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I didn't say I wanted the guy to give up his passions completely in regards to exploration, but him staying away from filmaking for over a decade while he pursued those endevours, that did make me feel like he stayed away from the art he is best at for too long.
I understand what you are saying, but I think there comes a point where your other extra cirricular activities get in the way, and you should make sure you set aside plenty of time to pursue what you are best at, and not leave it alone for too long.

and as for the subject matter at hand...

There is no way the human race are going to get anywhere in reagrds to space travel involving sending people using fossil fuels of any kind.
Probes yes, fine, far less expensive, and can be remotely controlled, no need to send people.
In order for people to be sent into space, and for the exploration to be significant, it is a whole other ball game, you are gonna basically have to fold space/time, and teleport. this is apparently how alien technology works.
Think of a piece of paper with two points on it, fold the paper so the two points meet, think of the piece of paper as space/time and the two points as where you want to travel from and to.

That is how it was *apparently* explianed to some guy by an alien in a book i read years ago, the theory is sound, what you need is the tech and know how. Unless we are contacted by other intelligences to share that knowledge, we are gonna be waiting a few more thousand years or so for that tech to be realised.
I think we will probably get a wee push from benevolent aliens once they establish contact, once we are ready, just as more developed countries helped less developed ones move into the industrial age by introducing them to tech.
Not really looking for a debate here, but probes are the way to go until that happens. Space flight using fossil fuels with people is expensive, not to mention unrealistic in regards to time spent travelling when visiting other planets, and risky in regards to survival.
 
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Yeah he co-invented a new camera that lets you pretty much look into a computer generated world. TinTin used it and now several other high profile directors are using it.
Also Cameron is a member of the NASA Advisory Council.
Zemeckis used this technology on Beowulf. this is not what Cameron and his friend invented. they invented the technology that was also used on Reel Steel. where you are watching on your small monitor and you see the low resolution CGI character's. in reall steel they used it for the robots in the ring. in Avatar they used it for the na'vi on the sets with humans.
 
Well, look at how short of time it took to go the the moon.

57 years from the first powered, manned flight by the Wight Brothers to landing on the moon in 1969. Pretty crazy just thinking about it.
 
Zemeckis used this technology on Beowulf. this is not what Cameron and his friend invented. they invented the technology that was also used on Reel Steel. where you are watching on your small monitor and you see the low resolution CGI character's. in reall steel they used it for the robots in the ring. in Avatar they used it for the na'vi on the sets with humans.

Yeah that's what I meant.
 
That's awesome. He's going to need security.

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capture an asteroid??!! that sounds crazily cool if they could pull it off. I mean I really admire the mathematics and physics knowledge that people understand, manipulate and apply to help physically realize these concepts. I for one never had the aptitude for these subjects, if I did would have gone more into those fields as they continually are fascinating. How the hell do you capture an asteroid? That would be such an awesome feat to achieve
 
57 years from the first powered, manned flight by the Wight Brothers to landing on the moon in 1969. Pretty crazy just thinking about it.

Pretty spectacular. Whats a little depressing is outside of the Hubble space imaging and Voyager probes, and Mars rovers we really haven't done too many outstanding things in the realm of space travel and exploration. Sure, we learn more and more everyday, but we are no where near closer to having humans get further than the moon than we were in the past. The ISS is a huge achievement, but somebody needs to push the envelop in space travel. Lets get to the next level. Maybe this thing Cameron is trying will be it.
 
That's awesome. He's going to need security.

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so when will an actress get in this kind of shape? and like Sarah Connor? no Gina. i am talkign about a real female actor.
 

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