JL TAS, something stupid Timm and co. said

[Spider-Bat]

I like the JL series, but I just heard something stupid said in an interview with Timm, he said they didn't want to get too geeky and overly comic booky and if they had to they'd make a comic book reference, WTF! It is a comic book, and a cartoon you might aswell do that, I mean come on already, they talk like they're embarrassed by it. I love when they make references to something from the books or do a story from the books, just ugh! that is enough, I mean if you can't go all out in a cartoon then what is the point, I'm tired of excuses and stuff.

 

[Tristantulanka]

the sad thing is, i'm less of a newbie than you are.

Episode 54, titled "For The Man Who Has Everything".

Heres the synopsis on it:

Batman and Wonder Woman deliver presents to Superman at the Fortress of Solitude for his birthday, but find he's been immobilized by a special "gift" courtesy of the world-conquering Mongul.

Heres a synopsis of a COMIC written in 1985 titled "For The Man Who Has Everything" :
Batman, Robin and Wonderwoman visit the Fortress of Solitude on Superman's birthday, only to find him in a vegetative state, a large alien plant stuck to his chest, its tendrils wrapped around his body. As they analyze the situation, making educated guesses about its origin and function, the alien Mongul steps into the scene, revealing the name of the plant (the "Black Mercy") and how it has put Superman into a coma, feeding him an extremely realistic and plausible dream based on his "heart's desire".

 

[Dope Nose]

I like the JL series, but I just heard something stupid said in an interview with Timm, he said they didn't want to get too geeky and overly comic booky and if they had to they'd make a comic book reference, WTF! It is a comic book, and a cartoon you might aswell do that, I mean come on already, they talk like they're embarrassed by it. I love when they make references to something from the books or do a story from the books, just ugh! that is enough, I mean if you can't go all out in a cartoon then what is the point, I'm tired of excuses and stuff.

I think they were just concerned about making the show accessible to the average viewer, rather than bogging it down with references that non-comic readers wouldn't understand.

 

[odiin]

"Tim and co." Made Batman: TAS, and Mask of the Phantasm. They can say whatever they want.

 

[Saint]

"Tim and co." Made Batman: TAS, and Mask of the Phantasm. They can say whatever they want.

This is the best post ever. Yes, Timm and company have earned a free pass for life.

 

[StorminNorman]

This is the best post ever. Yes, Timm and company have earned a free pass for life.

As long as they stay the hell away from Harvey Dent - I agree.

Big Bad Harv my white ass

 

[Joker]

I like the JL series, but I just heard something stupid said in an interview with Timm, he said they didn't want to get too geeky and overly comic booky and if they had to they'd make a comic book reference, WTF! It is a comic book, and a cartoon you might aswell do that, I mean come on already, they talk like they're embarrassed by it. I love when they make references to something from the books or do a story from the books, just ugh! that is enough, I mean if you can't go all out in a cartoon then what is the point, I'm tired of excuses and stuff.

I find the entire "there's no need to change things from the comics" argument absolutely hillarious from someone who has a quote from the Joker in Batman 1989 right in his signature...

 

[Saint]

As long as they stay the hell away from Harvey Dent - I agree.

Big Bad Harv my white ass

The concept itself was a good one, but it suffered for children's television: everything had to be dumbed down into terms children watching "Fox Kids" could follow. Hence, the juvenile moniker "Big Bad Harv."

 

[Dr. Fate]

I never had a problem with "Big Bad Harv".

 

[Abaddon]

The concept itself was a good one, but it suffered for children's television: everything had to be dumbed down into terms children watching "Fox Kids" could follow. Hence, the juvenile moniker "Big Bad Harv."

it's juvenile because it first surfaced when he was a child.

 

[StorminNorman]

and its stupid because it is not like TLH

I just simply do not like the wild mood swings and tantrums BEFORE he became Two Face. I prefer to see Two Face as a creation of Gotham - not as an inevitable force eating away at Harvey.

 

[Abaddon]

it makes more sense that Harvey had issues beforehand.

 

[odiin]

it makes more sense that Harvey had issues beforehand.

I agree. I like the idea that Harvey has secretly "walked the line" his entire life, and his time in Gotham is what finally pushes him over the edge.

 

[Artistsean]

Harvey and Two-Face had to have existed before the acid. being hit by acid is not enough to make an alternate personality, its very realistic to say he has been leading up to that his whole like. Even comics like Long Holloween and Year One show that.
Its more psychological, like most of Batman's enemies are.

As for them being embarrassed (spelling?) I highly doubt that.
Timm and company have been working on comic book projects for years now. Ever since Timm was working on Animanaics and was able to move onto Batman.
He and co. worked on Batman, Superman, Batman Beyond, JLU, and even Teen Titans, and now the Death of Superman. I don't think Timm and his friends would spend so much time on something they didn't like.
I think what someone esle said is true, that they didn't want the show to get too comic-booky meaning bogged down in continuity and unaccessable to the non comic reading public.
In commentary Timm and his friends would mention how they loved adding in comic stuff. One time Timm even said, being the die hard comic fan he is, he wanted to always keep it with the comic storty.
Brainiac had to be te Brainiac from the comic, an alien from a different planet, with a white monkey pet. He also wanted Booster and Blue Beetle in that Booster Gold episode.
I don't think they meant that comics are stupid and don't want our friends to know we are working on them.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I like most of Timm & co's stuff, but there're a few things I wish they had done, some of which they may have wanted to do but couldn't either because they didn't have time or there was a copyright hang up (remember the Bat-Embargo against Batman's villains because of "The Batman" and the "Aquaman Embargo" because of the failed young Aquaman TV series?). I would have liked to have seen Hal Jordan menacing the League as Parallax, as the Zero Hour/Final Night stuff could have made great arcs for the show. I'm not a Hal-Is-God guy by any means but c'mon, Hal deserved better than a quick time cameo via a time warp. Seriously, where's the love? Speaking of Silver Age folk, I wish they could have somehow gotten Barry Allen in there beyond a vague reference in the form Wally saying he was expecting his uncle over for the episode with his Flash museum. And on the subject of Wally, I lament that they never showed Wally interacting with Kyle Rayner, or Nightwing/Dick Grayson for that matter. I also thought it was a waste the way they reduced the Martian Manhunter's role during the Justice League Unlimited era, given that the big green guy was cooler than most of the heroes who came in through the revolving door, including Green Arrow. Yeah, I said it, the Martian Manhunter IS cooler than Green Arrow.

It was also a shame they couldn't get the JSA in there, but again, that was probably more of a copyright issue than for a lack of trying, hence the Justice Guild, homage and parody of the JSA as well as the old multiverse concept. (I'd throw a tantrum about not seeing Alan Scott or Jay Garrick as individual characters, but they tie into the JSA debacle)

But all that aside - and the fact that reducing Aquaman to a guest star on Justice League before the embargo was just plain wrong - I enjoy the bulk of what was given to us by these guys.

 

[Dr. Fate]

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[Katsuro]

Harvey and Two-Face had to have existed before the acid. being hit by acid is not enough to make an alternate personality, its very realistic to say he has been leading up to that his whole like. Even comics like Long Holloween and Year One show that.
Its more psychological, like most of Batman's enemies are.

I just hate how TAS dumbed it down. There was no real psycholgical depth to it. It was a simple multiple personality disorder, and one side ended up taking over. That was it.

There's a difference between having sublte, hidden psychological issues and being full-blown crazy before the accident. That's what "Big Bad Harv" was. He was a bad guy before the accident ever happened.

Of course, TAS's biggest mistake was making Dent a friend of Wayne instead of a friend of Batman. I always felt his downfall affected Batman so much more when Dent was one of his few allies in his war on crime, as opposed to just some college chum.

 

[Saint]

I just hate how TAS dumbed it down. There was no real psycholgical depth to it. It was a simple multiple personality disorder, and one side ended up taking over. That was it.

This is blatantly false. If it was true, he would not need the coin. Two-Face is not one side taking over, it's both sides being conscious at once (as opposed to one fading in and out) making decisions impossible and creating the need for the coin.

 

[Roughneck]

Remember the Ep where Two face developed a third personality and became The judge

 

[Katsuro]

Remember the Ep where Two face developed a third personality and became The judge

I try not to.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I think they were just concerned about making the show accessible to the average viewer, rather than bogging it down with references that non-comic readers wouldn't understand.

Imagine that!

 

[Lighthouse]

I like most of Timm & co's stuff, but there're a few things I wish they had done, some of which they may have wanted to do but couldn't either because they didn't have time or there was a copyright hang up (remember the Bat-Embargo against Batman's villains because of "The Batman" and the "Aquaman Embargo" because of the failed young Aquaman TV series?). I would have liked to have seen Hal Jordan menacing the League as Parallax, as the Zero Hour/Final Night stuff could have made great arcs for the show. I'm not a Hal-Is-God guy by any means but c'mon, Hal deserved better than a quick time cameo via a time warp. Seriously, where's the love? Speaking of Silver Age folk, I wish they could have somehow gotten Barry Allen in there beyond a vague reference in the form Wally saying he was expecting his uncle over for the episode with his Flash museum. And on the subject of Wally, I lament that they never showed Wally interacting with Kyle Rayner, or Nightwing/Dick Grayson for that matter. I also thought it was a waste the way they reduced the Martian Manhunter's role during the Justice League Unlimited era, given that the big green guy was cooler than most of the heroes who came in through the revolving door, including Green Arrow. Yeah, I said it, the Martian Manhunter IS cooler than Green Arrow.

It was also a shame they couldn't get the JSA in there, but again, that was probably more of a copyright issue than for a lack of trying, hence the Justice Guild, homage and parody of the JSA as well as the old multiverse concept. (I'd throw a tantrum about not seeing Alan Scott or Jay Garrick as individual characters, but they tie into the JSA debacle)

But all that aside - and the fact that reducing Aquaman to a guest star on Justice League before the embargo was just plain wrong - I enjoy the bulk of what was given to us by these guys.

God, embargos are so frickin ******ed. There is no reason not to have characters in multiple shows.

 

[odiin]

Remember the Ep where Two face developed a third personality and became The judge

But get it, get it? The judge is... a judge, Harvey Dent is the jury, and Two-Face executes people.

Brilliant!

 

[Rorschach2012]

"Tim and co." Made Batman: TAS, and Mask of the Phantasm. They can say whatever they want.

lol yes they can

 

[Changeling]

^def