The Dark Knight Joker finally revealed! - MERGED

[dark_b]

That's exactly what I was wondering. I know Nolan said he wanted a realistic Batman, but when the hell did he ever say the same about Joker? Besides, Joker had a similar deal in the 89 version when a bullet shot through his cheeks right before he fell into the chemicals.

i agree.
plus what is there realistic on a jumpping car on rooftops ?

i mean we could go on and on.
i remember that there was a thread where we had a perfect explanation.

and some people dont knwo the difference between realistic and logic. nolan likes to use logic like singer.

 

[Crook]

There's always been an implied deformity with the Joker...I'd like to see anyone who looks like him in real life at all...the long face, the big nose, the impossibly huge smile...it's not realistic at all...

Neither is half the things drawn in all comic books. Most heroes are muscle-bound chiseled models, yet we know that can't be directly translated to the screen 100%. It's the same case here, even moreso because Joker's iconic look has already been ingrained in the public eye, so there's really no reason to change it too much.

now, when you get down to it, neither is this version...any way you look at it he's a guy who got dumped in chemicals, had his skin bleached and hair dyed, and dresses like a clown, so realism got off about 2 stops back.

Exactly. So what's the problem with embracing that ludicrous idea, in the same way Bruce's origins were handled? Maybe it's just me, but at times I get the feeling some of us are embarrassed of these characters, which is a shame.

But the thing is, the cut smile look seems to fit in with the rest of Nolans vision of this, which is what I'd rather have. Making a director stop and compromise what he's going for never turns out well.

Agreed, we all knew where that went with Raimi and SM3.

Though I still think there could've been more faithfulness in depicting Joker's look. Ironically enough, the scarred smile which I feared the most isn't my biggest problem with the pic, but instead it's the completely messed up lipstick. Ideally for both camps, Nolan would have had his choice of a gash smile and at the same time please most of the traditionalists had he gone with a more uniform application of the lipstick:

Maybe I'm just dreaming, but I'm pretty confident that we wouldn't have as big of a backlash if we had gotten a pic similar to that.

 

[Joker]

I know of a guy who has a smile just as big as the Joker does in the comics... Heath Ledger.

that's not true and you know it...look at the cover of the killing joke, or last laugh...no one can achive a grin that big, it's physically impossible.

 

[DSET]

edit dp.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

or we could stop with this realistic b....it.
nolan never said that the joker looks like that because it is realistic.

70% people still dont know what nolan meant when he said that he will make a realistic batman. and i bet tehy will never understand it.

I agree completely. That's why I put the word in quotes. Frankly, I'm sick of people throwing that word around. Truth be told, Batman Begins isn't anymore "realistic" than any other superhero movie. It just seems more plausible because it offers simple explanations for they way everything functions.

 

[DSET]

There's always been an implied deformity with the Joker...I'd like to see anyone who looks like him in real ife at all...the long face, the big nose, the impossibly huge smile...it's not realistic at all...now, when you get down to it, neither is this version...any way you look at it he's a guy who got dumped in chemicals, had his skin bleached and hair dyed, and dresses like a clown, so realism got off about 2 stops back. But the thing is, the cut smile look seems to fit in with the rest of Nolans vision of this, which is what I'd rather have. Making a director stop and compromise what he's going for never turns out well.

totally agree
I posted a while back that theres never been a totally realistic looking Joker,
other than Ross's obviously

I very much feel the cuts are going to fit with the more realistic approach Nolan is gonna push this character

My only issue is that the makeup looks sloppy
and black eyes are a little too dark, which Im sure will both be perfect when the movie comes out

 

[Shot Gun Shy]

Things Change ....

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Things Change ....

Yup, things certainly do change... For better or worse.

 

[Shoemeister]

Yes, they do change.

 

[dark_b]

its funny because the same thing brandon said at wondercon. and funny is also that he had a line in the movie. when he is in the bar he says...you know things change.


ahahhahaha.

 

[DSET]

The large nose and chin dont count at all. They're simple facial features, so unless you're trying to tell me the chemical bath made his nose grow then that's a moot point (also it would mean Nolan should be finding some realistic way to explain that as well). The only facial feature in contention is the big smile, which is not unrealistic. I know of a guy who has a smile just as big as the Joker does in the comics... Heath Ledger.
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In the comics they draw his mouth one of two ways
Just like a regular persons mouth (more so in the older comics)
http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/image/Joker_1.jpg
or with a HUGE grin
please show me the realistic HUGE grinning Joker pics youve seen
SHOw me!
half the time he has waaay tooo many teeth
and his grin opens up all the way to his cheek bones, and theres flat front level teeth all the up there
How the hell can that be realistic?
look how many front teeth and flat teeth are showing in
his mouth, not to mention you're mouth and teeth cant overlap you're cheek bones thats ridiculous. And if you exclude drawing in cheek muscles it makes no sense how the FREak do u smile then?
http://static.flickr.com/31/61961388_5eb44a20d4.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/9112/sadvocate315ri.jpg
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=113256
http://www.comictreadmill.com/images/Joker123.jpg
http://www.cafardcosmique.com/IMG/gif/moore.joker.rond.gif
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/lunden/hallo.gif
http://www.thebatsquad.net/_images/themanwholaughs.jpg

in short this is how much a real persons mouth can open and show teetht:
this isnt


mix these two artists's works together and Thats my opinion of what Joker is going to look like in this movie
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060604/jokercover.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/otheaftermath/JokerBatman_lg_copy_copy1.jpg

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Yes, his smile is unusually wide. Not impossibly wide, mind you. Yeah, nobody can smile as wide as Joker does in some comics, but in the context of the universe he occupies, his grin doesn't look impossible. Just unusual. Ledger himself has an unusually wide grin. No "cut-smile" was necessary.

Here's my main problem with the "cut-smile" idea, and especially the extreme it's apparently been taken to in TDK. The Joker has always been creepy looking, but he has never been outright hideously ugly (except maybe Arkham Asylum) I'd support a "cut-smile" if it only slightly widened his grin, making it look unnatural, and unnerving. That's the perfect word to describe the Joker; unnerving.

That was my original impression of the "cut-smile;" that it would look just like he had an unusually wide grin, like you might not notice it at first glance. The Joker has always had an amusing appearance. It's his facial expressions and general mannerisms that make him menacing. If you didn't know who he was, you'd just think he was a very creepy looking clown... But this? They threw all that out the window, and just carved up his face and made him look grotesque (I still think he looks like he got stung by a bee)

Really, some subtlety wouldn't do any harm here. To me, this seems to be good for nothing but cheap shock value.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Damn Nolan. He got a perfectly good script and ruined it with a stupid bat-suit. Now, he's going to ruin it again with a mediocre Joker.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

mix these two artists's works together and Thats my opinion of what Joker is going to look like in this movie
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060604/jokercover.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/otheaftermath/JokerBatman_lg_copy_copy1.jpg

Ugh... I've always hated the Barmejo Joker, so I guess it was inevitable that I wouldn't like Chris Nolan's Joker.

 

[The Kid]

that's not true and you know it...look at the cover of the killing joke, or last laugh...no one can achive a grin that big, it's physically impossible.

"Hi there. I still exist. Though I'm starting to look more like Willem Dafoe these days."

 

[dark_b]

edit

 

[Brian Braddock]

Jeez, Carrey's startin to look old.

He looks like Robert Redford in that pic.

 

[DangerousInc.]

Me thinks someone stole the pics!

 

[Sam18]

Except for my underwear!

 

[DeFett]

 

[Cyrusbales]

double post

 

[Cyrusbales]

Does anyone here think that a lot of people would like the pic regardless of what it looked like? Just because it's Nolan or whatever? I see a lot of blind fanboy loyalty around these here parts.....


(Personally I hate it)

 

[Nepenthes]

 

[Darknightnomis]

The only constant in life is change.

 

[Nepenthes]