Joss Whedon developing Marvel SHIELD series for ABC

[Maximus One]

I stopped reading after I saw the name Lindsay Ellis and have been day dreaming since

 

[Chewy]

Sorry, we aren't talking about MMA here, this is four-quadrant entertainment. The only reason the films have been as successful as they have is that the filmmakers have consciously decided to not exclude half of their potential audience.

You'll always have your comics with the female characters walking around in nothing. Those aren't the films they're making, and they won't be the show Joss Whedon makes. If you were a realist you would have realized (rimshot) that.

 

[metaphysician]

Honestly, if Jessica Drew appears, she probably won't wear anything like her comic costume at all. I mean, really, if your purpose is to sneak around and brainwash people so you can kill them, why dress up in bright colored spandex? I imagine she will largely dress like a femme fatale.

And frankly, the idea that a Whedon-helmed show would just abandon the entire female demographic is outright insane.

 

[Webhead2006]

Sure if the main cast is just danvers, woo, mocking bird, quatermain. They can go around in shield uniform and fury/sitwell just be in normal attire or occadsional get in outfit if needs be. And since it be set in mcu no reason guest heroes wouldn't have some sort of costume. And that is more to someone like iron fist, spider woman, where as guys like cage, punisher and some others can work in street clothes. But that deal we still don't know theme or what the show will revovle around in shield. But I still say main cast should stick to 5/6 leads. So its a good number/not hard on budget for leads. And if they are all normal humans. Besides carol maybe in time getting her powers. That leaves effects budget for weapons/threats of the week and guest villain and heroes.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Just make it looser fitting and made from a thicker material than body paint.

When have they NOT done this? The X-Men had the leather, Sue Storm, Widow, Hill's costumes all made from much thicker material than the spandex idea you can't seem to let go of.

They're not going to garb anyone in **** so tight you can see cameltoe. I don't even know why this is an issue.

 

[The Question]

When have they NOT done this? The X-Men had the leather, Sue Storm, Widow, Hill's costumes all made from much thicker material than the spandex idea you can't seem to let go of.

They're not going to garb anyone in **** so tight you can see cameltoe. I don't even know why this is an issue.

Because that is what people in this discussion have been suggesting and are arguing is what's a proper adaptation.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah I forgot how much people like to argue over nothing.

 

[Chewy]

Yeah I forgot how much people like to argue over nothing.

Should there be Nazis in this show?

How about winged helmets?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

heh

OMG hobbit feet!

 

[Pink Ranger]

Should there be Nazis in this show?

How about winged helmets?

Emphatic yes to winged helmets.

Of course, I'm no fool, I'm not saying all SHIELD agents should wear winged helmets. But there should be revealed a sub-section of SHIELD made up of Captain America fanatics who wear a blue winged helmet on top of their regular uniform, whether it be the leather jumpsuit or the suit and tie. They will call themselves the Blue Shield Irregulars.

 

[DrCosmic]

Which includes the superhero genre, which has always been --- and still remains --- a *guy* thing.

One. Point five. BILLION (*Dr.Evil*) Dollars.

That's not guys, that's not possible in something that's just a 'guy' thing. For the superhero genre to be successful on film it has become more than something for adolescent boys' sexual and power fantasies. Take a look around you at the next big superhero movie (and at the next failed superhero movie) and you'll see that it is most certainly not just a guy thing when it does well.

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In other News, I can't help but hope/dream/speculate: What IF Samuel Jackson actually agrees to do the TV show as a recurring character instead of a guest spot, with like, 5 to 10 appearances per year, so that he actually figures into the storyline. What if he actually has an arc in the show where he teams up with one of the mains for a few full episodes?

What if Renner and/or Scarjo actually do full arcs on the show, like three months of shooting (which equates to half a season) and have that counted as one of their movie obligations. Like, actually have them on the team for a bit?

What if Robin gets written out of HIMYM for a few eps so she can shoot some SHIELD. What if they resolve her storyline at the end of the season!?

What if Anthonie Mackie agrees to do a couple episodes of SHIELD in order to set up his character and promote Captain America: The Winter Soldier. What if Cap's actor does as well?

Now this is not to say the show should always have its own characters front and center, but I really think that having the movie characters guest star (and in terms of Fury and Hill, actually be recurring characters) could be really really awesome.

 

[metaphysician]

It would be really, really neat if they did achieve that greater degree of integration. I don't think the odds are good, but it would be neat. I actually think the Samuel L Jackson idea has the most likelihood, of the components.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well slj I think is doable counting on his film schedule. He is a huge fan of marvel and his character. Even if he can't physically show up. Which if he does physically I expect maybe pilot, mid season, season finale(same for smulders per her mother schedule). To at least do some audio work to be used in episode. All you need to do is record some lines and send it to marvel simple easy thing to do.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think money's more an issue than availability for Jackson. The man commands a pretty big paycheck, and TV budgets are not quite up there with film budgets, to say the least.

 

[The Question]

You'd think at this point he could act for free for the rest of his life and never run out of money.

Of course it might be a union thing. Like maybe SAG has a rule that an actor's pay scale goes up automatically based on past box office draw.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think Sam Jackson's an especially charitable kind of guy in that respect. Every interview I've seen indicates that he enjoys his work, but it's still very much work to him and he treats it as such. Show him the money or don't expect s*** from him.

 

[The Question]

I guess I've just never understood that kind of mentality. Like, if I had as much money as SLJ has I'd feel weird about being payed even more. I'd be like "it's okay, I have enough, give it to somebody else."

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Then you are not a proud American capitalist, sir.

 

[DrCosmic]

Indeed, at the very least take the money and give it away yourself. Don't let some greedy exec pocket the cash. He's just gonna buy a yacht with a garage on it or something.

But yeah, I can see Sam Jackson wanting a million or two an ep Charlie Sheen style. Definitely a pilot and finale only experience if that's the case.

 

[Webhead2006]

Sure pay is a factor too for guys like samual. But he could also take a pay cut or do it probono too since he is a huge comic nerd and all that. We just don't really know so many unknown factors. Which I say if he can't be on set audio work is the easier route to go with how easy recording audio is today can be done in matter of minutes and easily sent off to marvel folks. Plus really you don't need to have fury there every episode. He can be name dropped here and there. And if say sitwell is the head of group he is acting on fury orders. Plus as I said could do computer messages, audio messages, and the easy of all have someone on the phone an ackledge that fury is on the other side and we don't hear his said of message.

 

[cherokeesam]

When have they NOT done this? The X-Men had the leather, Sue Storm, Widow, Hill's costumes all made from much thicker material than the spandex idea you can't seem to let go of.

They're not going to garb anyone in **** so tight you can see cameltoe. I don't even know why this is an issue.

Who the hell said anything about cameltoe, other than you?
Latex catsuits are a dime a dozen in movies and TV and stage nowadays, and nobody bats an eye at such garb. Look at Pfeiffer's Catwoman....that's pretty much how a Jessica Drew costume would look with a color change, and nobody would scream "ERR MAH GERD, GET AWAY PERNERGAFER!" (Except here in the 'Hype, of course. )

Sorry, we aren't talking about MMA here, this is four-quadrant entertainment. The only reason the films have been as successful as they have is that the filmmakers have consciously decided to not exclude half of their potential audience.


You'll always have your comics with the female characters walking around in nothing. Those aren't the films they're making, and they won't be the show Joss Whedon makes. If you were a realist you would have realized (rimshot) that.

So you're saying Marvel Studios is catering to the female demographic by introducing strong, independent superheroines as feminist role models in non-objectified costumes....? Great! Very forward-thinking of them. So let's see, we've got....um, how many superheroines again....? Just one....? And she's, um, a seductress in a black catsuit....

Reality check: the only female audiences the Marvel Studios have attracted are the ones who love to see Thor, Cap, and Hulk shirtless. Because face it --- that's the only skin they've ever shown in these movies. All those topless men with their glistening, rock-hard pecs and six-pack abs....sexploitation! Where's the RAAAAGE, man....?!?!

Hey, be sure and wake me up whenever Marvel Studios introduces these strong, non-sexualized, non-objectified female superheroine role models you seem to have dreamed up.

 

[Silvermoth]

Wow...that's a pretty emotional rant.

I wouldn't really call the men in the Avengers oversexualised. It's not like they're mission is to have pillow parties or whatever. No-one would think of doing that and yet people still seem to try with female superheroes. I'm sure this is what Chewy meant.

And there have been tons of new female Avengers fans because of the movie. They like the characters, not just the sexy sixpacks. It's probably the reason the Captain Marvel series is doing so well at the moment as an example.

But back on topic, I hope the SHIELD series has the same feel as the movie. It felt really cool and happy like a good workplace rather than a military installation where everyone snarls at each other. I could imagine living and working quite happily on the helicarrier in the movies. I hope they keep that.

 

[The Squirrel]

I guess I've just never understood that kind of mentality. Like, if I had as much money as SLJ has I'd feel weird about being payed even more. I'd be like "it's okay, I have enough, give it to somebody else."

You'd be out of work pretty quick because SAG wouldn't touch you.

 

[mr. peasant]

Wow...that's a pretty emotional rant.

I wouldn't really call the men in the Avengers oversexualised. It's not like they're mission is to have pillow parties or whatever. No-one would think of doing that and yet people still seem to try with female superheroes. I'm sure this is what Chewy meant.

And there have been tons of new female Avengers fans because of the movie. They like the characters, not just the sexy sixpacks. It's probably the reason the Captain Marvel series is doing so well at the moment as an example.

But back on topic, I hope the SHIELD series has the same feel as the movie. It felt really cool and happy like a good workplace rather than a military installation where everyone snarls at each other. I could imagine living and working quite happily on the helicarrier in the movies. I hope they keep that.

Nah, it's the asses as well. I remember a review commenting (and approving) on how the movie's first (re)introduction to Captain America is a 30 second shot of him flexing his buttcheeks.

But with the show, what I'd like to know if it will be formulaic (i.e. procedural, monster-of-the-week, etc) where the season arcs mainly appear at the start and end of the season, OR if it will be a progressive story (e.g. Heroes, 24). If a long-running TV series is the aim, I think the former is safer as there is less risk of Continuity Lock-Out for new and casual viewers who may have missed a few episodes. This would allow the show to be more accessible and for the audience size to grow even during later years (to replace those that leave halfway through).

Also, I wonder what the tone will be? We've seen Whedon run the gamut from downright farcical comedy to camp to out and out depressing. I'm sure it will be somewhere in the middle. However, which one will predominate? Humour or drama?

 

[Maximus One]

I think all this **** is dumb. I know TONS of female nerds who are into these characters just because they are awesome. You guys over analyze stuff WAY too much