Joss Whedon developing Marvel SHIELD series for ABC

[flickchick85]

My thought is that once Danvers becomes Ms. Marvel, she is no longer a regular cast member. I propose that we spend a couple of seasons with Agent Danvers before she gains her powers, but once she is a full on superhero, she has graduated into The Avengers or other movies while making a 2-3 guest spots in future seasons of SHIELD.

The good part about this series is that Marvel can get in on the ground floor with these actors. If they target a character for future film appearances, they can make it known up front that they would still like to see that character occassionally on TV. It avoids the problem they potentially have right now with trying to get some of the movie actors to make appearance, though I think some will eventually.

Yeah, if Danvers IS a main character in this I would only hope it would be as a springboard into the films. So she'd spend 2 seasons on this show as a main character, then get her powers at the end of S2 and make the leap into Avengers 2 (or some other Marvel film), making her occasional return guest appearances on the show.

It would be a dream role for any up-and-coming actress, too, as she'd get plenty of time to build and get comfortable portraying a character on television before making a major film debut as that character in a gigantic blockbuster. It's like the perfect road to Movie Stardom.

 

[sethypants]

http://geek-news.mtv.com/?p=87682

Shield would be its own thing. From What Joss Whedon is saying, it seems like it'll not be in the same universe. Even if it is, there is probably no chance for a crossover.
As of such, I hope Carol Denvers don't appear here because she was promised a movie. And which means, I'm done with the show.
But I hope it'll succeed and superhero will thrive on TV as well as it did on movies. But it'll likely not be a show for me.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Yeah, I too would like to reiterate that Carol Danvers belongs in the films, not on a TV show. She's like a female Superman, and the Avengers would be an ideal stage to finally show the world a proper female superhero, as I'll be collecting my pension by the time a Wonder Woman movie is made.

The SHIELD series should be a bit more low key, and should feature more highly-trained humans than superhumans or mutants.

 

[mr. peasant]

http://geek-news.mtv.com/?p=87682

Shield would be its own thing. From What Joss Whedon is saying, it seems like it'll not be in the same universe. Even if it is, there is probably no chance for a crossover.
As of such, I hope Carol Denvers don't appear here because she was promised a movie. And which means, I'm done with the show.
But I hope it'll succeed and superhero will thrive on TV as well as it did on movies. But it'll likely not be a show for me.

Can't access the video itself. Is it something he says there? Because from the article itself, it just sounds like SHIELD is going to be much like the other MCU franchises in that they are largely independent from one another in the sense that each hero's presence doesn't figure prominently in the others' franchises. In other words, the show is planning to do its own thing rather than ride on the tailcoats of the other franchises.

 

[OB12]

In everything else I have read about this show, SHIELD is very much going to be the same organization that is in the MCU. It will be dealing with different threats and have its own storylines but I believe there will be several touch points with the current filmverse.

 

[DrCosmic]

http://geek-news.mtv.com/?p=87682

Shield would be its own thing. From What Joss Whedon is saying, it seems like it'll not be in the same universe. Even if it is, there is probably no chance for a crossover.
As of such, I hope Carol Denvers don't appear here because she was promised a movie. And which means, I'm done with the show.
But I hope it'll succeed and superhero will thrive on TV as well as it did on movies. But it'll likely not be a show for me.

They've already said there'll be crossover in other articles. That's why Joss Whedonhas been emphasizing that its its own thing because the fear is the Iron Man scenario he described. Why would there be no chance of crossover? The video describes them as a 'adjacent' to the Avengers to drive home the idea that they're in the same universe. On a second listen he explicitly says "They live in that Universe."

Also, Ms. Marvel was not promised a movie of course, but what you're probably meaning is that her fans were promised a movie, which happens to also be untrue. The only news released was that they weren't making a movie even though they had a script because they couldn't find an actress. But even if they had said they were planning on making the movie, that's not a promise.

If you like any genre TV, especially if you like any Whedon show, I have a hard time believing that SHIELD won't be at least decent to you. I could be wrong, but Whedon is generally appealing to people who like sci fi and fantasy.

Yeah, I too would like to reiterate that Carol Danvers belongs in the films, not on a TV show. She's like a female Superman, and the Avengers would be an ideal stage to finally show the world a proper female superhero, as I'll be collecting my pension by the time a Wonder Woman movie is made.

The SHIELD series should be a bit more low key, and should feature more highly-trained humans than superhumans or mutants.

Didn't Carol start as a highly trained human? Why can't se be both on the films and in a TV show? Or start on TV then move to film?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd have to be in the same universe, I would think. Otherwise, what's the point? You end up with another Mutant X--concepts from the Marvel universe in a foreign environment where they all just come across kind of weird and shallow.

 

[The Englishman]

Well I enjoyed the Marvel one shot Item 47. It will be interesting if any of those characters appear in this series...I hope so.

 

[flickchick85]

Well I enjoyed the Marvel one shot Item 47. It will be interesting if any of those characters appear in this series...I hope so.

Joss has said not to plan on it because Lizzie and Jesse both have new shows this season...but he didn't say anything about Titus Welliver, so I'm thinking there's still a chance for him.

 

[Dark Raven]

I wonder if Whedon will make this show like that ST:TNG episode "Lower Decks" where it was told from the point of view of lower-ranked ensigns or cadets on the Enterprise who were in awe of their superiors but generally didn't associate with them. They saw the likes of Picard, Riker or Worf from time to time in Ten Forward but even when they tried to make conversation with them it was awkward.

I could see Whedon doing something like this where there are new recruits to SHIELD and they barely see Fury or Hill. They're perhaps just trying to survive their first few weeks in the job and get a grip on everything. Didn't Whedon himself say that it was more of an underdogs' story? That would fit in with that idea.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I could see Whedon doing something like this where there are new recruits to SHIELD and they barely see Fury or Hill. They're perhaps just trying to survive their first few weeks in the job and get a grip on everything. Didn't Whedon himself say that it was more of an underdogs' story? That would fit in with that idea.

This is where this show could shine. Really the "Agent Coulson" idea realised as its own thing.

I really love the idea for this show better than an ABC-produced Hulk series. Not only is this fresh and new, but it adds to the cinematic continuity. That sort of cross-media continuity is something I'd never have thought of before.

I only have 2 personal gripes to this:

1) the girl (Danvers?) yeah, she reminds me of my ex. :P

2) I don't like the idea that even in a superhero universe the most "unique" thing has become--not the superheroes--but the "ordinary" people. This isn't me taking a jab at all the brave thing ordinary people do, I understand how the mundane can be heroic and should be portrayed as such, but the moment when we're getting excited for a supershow because *gasp* they're "normal people!" That just doesn't sit well with me. It means that we've grown desensitized to the very unique qualities of the superheroes themselves. Superheroes should be unique in their universe, not the norm. Otherwise, what's the point of them being "super"? Nolan's Batman understood that; Smallville understood that. The original Hulk series understood that.

Granted, by not making them appear it's Whedon's way of showing us that they really are unique because when they come (if they do) it's a special event, but that still doesn't answer the fact taht this is being promoted as "cool" and "fresh" because it's the "different/underdogs" of a world where the superhuman forces have become so frequent that they've become ordinary.

Of course, I haven't seen it yet, but initial impressions are important no?

 

[Nave 'Torment']

It'd have to be in the same universe, I would think. Otherwise, what's the point? You end up with another Mutant X--concepts from the Marvel universe in a foreign environment where they all just come across kind of weird and shallow.

Yeah he did confirm that it'll be in the same continuity. Last thing we need is another Mutant X. What they could do is take on lesser-known characters, and especially villains that don't mesh well with the Avengers movie. Hell, I'm looking at this as Whedon's "rejected ideas" plan where if something doesn't seem viable for the film, Marvel can easily put it into the series. If not, they can always use it as a testing ground. The myriad of marvel villains serve as a great way to explore the series: Taskmaster, AID, even HYDRA if they're up for it. After all, they're SHIELD.

If they bring in Fury, Hill, Widow, and Hawkeye as guest-stars, which I assume they will, it'd really be a treat for the fans. Something that'll go down in comics-to-film history as truly unique.

Hell, the show pretty much makes a BLACK WIDOW/HAWKEYE or NICK FURY movie redundant (sorry to Mr. Jackson on this).

P.S. - SG1 quote on your sig is exactly the kind of thing I want in a WW series maybe depict Circe as that.

 

[mr. peasant]

I wonder if Whedon will make this show like that ST:TNG episode "Lower Decks" where it was told from the point of view of lower-ranked ensigns or cadets on the Enterprise who were in awe of their superiors but generally didn't associate with them. They saw the likes of Picard, Riker or Worf from time to time in Ten Forward but even when they tried to make conversation with them it was awkward.

I'm not so convinced though. Sure, the idea is pretty entertaining for an episode or two. But would the concept be able to sustain itself for a full series? Or would a show about the 'little people' doing more 'mundane' things and who also explicitly point out how they aren't as cool as the people who aren't on the show simply be sabotaging itself by making themselves out to be inferior/second rate to others even on its own show?

 

[OB12]

Yeah, I'm not sure I like the rookie agents idea. I think one rookie agent as part of an ensemble that includes some established characters like Quartermain and Danvers makes for a good approach. I'd really like these SHIELD agents to be our guides through the Marvel Universe, allowing us to see many different characters that otherwise would not get an opportunity to be seen on screen.

 

[Specter313]

Although you can catch her starring role as Claire in the "Marvel One-Shot" short film "Item 47" when Marvel's The Avengers hits DVD and Blu-ray next Tuesday, September 25, actress Lizzy Caplan tells SuperHeroHype that fans shouldn't get too excited about her reprising the role in the upcoming "S.H.I.E.L.D." television series.

"I can't really," she explained today at the press junket for her upcoming comedy 3, 2, 1... Frankie Goes Boom, "...I have my own show so I will not be a regular on the Marvel 'S.H.I.E.L.D.' show. But I'm glad people are so excited about that. I think it's a good idea... Maybe I could do some little thing."

Caplan's new series, "Masters of Sex," recently went to series at Showtime and follows her and Michael Sheen as William Masters and Virginia Johnson who, in real life, were instrumental in researching human sexuality beginning in the late 1950's.

Although very little is known about what "S.H.I.E.L.D." will involve, Joss Whedon is producing and has plans to both write and direct the pilot episode. Earlier this month, another one of the short film's stars, Maximiliano Hernández, hinted that it's possible we'll see his Agent Jasper Sitwell as a member of the cast.

3, 2, 1... Frankie Goes Boom, which also stars Charlie Hunnam, Chris O'Dowd and Ron Perlman, is now available On Demand and will hit theaters on October 12.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/172805-lizzy-caplan-will-not-be-joining-shield

 

[TheCorpulent1]

2) I don't like the idea that even in a superhero universe the most "unique" thing has become--not the superheroes--but the "ordinary" people. This isn't me taking a jab at all the brave thing ordinary people do, I understand how the mundane can be heroic and should be portrayed as such, but the moment when we're getting excited for a supershow because *gasp* they're "normal people!" That just doesn't sit well with me. It means that we've grown desensitized to the very unique qualities of the superheroes themselves. Superheroes should be unique in their universe, not the norm. Otherwise, what's the point of them being "super"? Nolan's Batman understood that; Smallville understood that. The original Hulk series understood that.

Granted, by not making them appear it's Whedon's way of showing us that they really are unique because when they come (if they do) it's a special event, but that still doesn't answer the fact taht this is being promoted as "cool" and "fresh" because it's the "different/underdogs" of a world where the superhuman forces have become so frequent that they've become ordinary.

Of course, I haven't seen it yet, but initial impressions are important no?

I wouldn't say it's glorifying normalcy if they stick with normal SHIELD agents; they'd just be showing (relatively) normal people's perspectives on the increasingly superhuman world in which they live. If you don't think that can make for an incredibly entertaining and intriguing narrative, check out a few Gotham Central trades.

I also don't see why superheroes need to necessarily remain unique in their universes. Sure, they should be now, but over time why wouldn't people get used to them? It's the logical way for events to play out if superhumans maintain a consistent presence on Earth over a long period of time. Literally every single one of Marvel's superhero comics published today understands that. I wouldn't be bothered if the SHIELD agents who've been around a while become a bit jaded about superhumans 2 or 3 seasons down the line (assuming it makes it that far). That's where introducing new POV characters occasionally comes in.

 

[The Question]

This is where this show could shine. Really the "Agent Coulson" idea realised as its own thing.

I really love the idea for this show better than an ABC-produced Hulk series. Not only is this fresh and new, but it adds to the cinematic continuity. That sort of cross-media continuity is something I'd never have thought of before.

I only have 2 personal gripes to this:

1) the girl (Danvers?) yeah, she reminds me of my ex. :P

2) I don't like the idea that even in a superhero universe the most "unique" thing has become--not the superheroes--but the "ordinary" people. This isn't me taking a jab at all the brave thing ordinary people do, I understand how the mundane can be heroic and should be portrayed as such, but the moment when we're getting excited for a supershow because *gasp* they're "normal people!" That just doesn't sit well with me. It means that we've grown desensitized to the very unique qualities of the superheroes themselves. Superheroes should be unique in their universe, not the norm. Otherwise, what's the point of them being "super"? Nolan's Batman understood that; Smallville understood that. The original Hulk series understood that.

Granted, by not making them appear it's Whedon's way of showing us that they really are unique because when they come (if they do) it's a special event, but that still doesn't answer the fact taht this is being promoted as "cool" and "fresh" because it's the "different/underdogs" of a world where the superhuman forces have become so frequent that they've become ordinary.

Of course, I haven't seen it yet, but initial impressions are important no?

When was it ever implied that the idea of superhuman forces having become so frequent that it's considered ordinary is a part of the premise? Nobody brought up that idea as far as I saw.

The whole point of the idea of SHIELD being underdogs is that they're going up against superhuman threats while they themselves are not superheroes. The concept of relative normalcy was never apart of it.

 

[DrDoom]

Not sure if this has been suggested but I'd love for them to get Yvonne Strahovski as Carol Danvers in the SHIELD series. She has the right physicality based on what she did on "Chuck"

She could be on it for a couple seasons then get turned into Ms Marvel for Avengers 2 or 3

 

[flickchick85]

Not sure if this has been suggested but I'd love for them to get Yvonne Strahovski as Carol Danvers in the SHIELD series.

Never heard of her.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

^^Miranda Lawson from the Mass Effect video games.

 

[flickchick85]

I was being sarcastic, as I figured DrDoom was as well, considering Strahovski is probably THE most suggested name for Ms. Marvel on these boards. And for good reason, as she is a perfect fit for the role, imo.

...But I know at least one poster who vehemently disagrees, haha.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

^^ Ah! didn't know that...

And yeah, like you say, she's almost a perfect fit for the role.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yep, she's definitely perfect IMO, and would fit in even as Carol Danvers, Agent of SHIELD in the early part of this series before ever becoming Ms Marvel. The kinds of missions she could carry out are similar to what she did on Chuck.

And Yvonne wasn't averse to wearing sexy outfits when necessary, meaning that she could easily pull off Ms Marvel's classic Warbird look.

 

[sethypants]

I miss Chuck. Would love to see Yvonne as Ms Marvel in a movie.

 

[Lord]

Damn, this show is moving fast, i thought it would take some time before going into production like AKA and The Incredible Hulk