Joss Whedon developing Marvel SHIELD series for ABC

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Not really landed on. The first go around was a year and a half, largely due to the first Iron Man.

Interviews have already said Iron Man 3:
would deal with the direct results of what happened in the Avengers did on Tony Stark's psyche.

So with those two things in mind, it does seem like it would be the same time as IRON MAN 2, THOR, and CAPTAIN AMERICA and IM.

Wouldn't really apply, since I'm inside the system. Not with this show. But high profile projects and discussing my own projects with them? At a young age too, which is usually unheard of and especially a close sell... so, yeah... I'd say I do have insider experience and knowledge on executives. I'd also say this makes me sound like a cocky *****ebag at times to, eh in this field I'm kinda arrogant lol. Working on that.

2013 SHIELD SEASON 1: PRE-AVENGERS
2014 SHIELD SEASON 2: POST AVENGERS
2015 SHIELD SEASON 3: BUILDING INTO AVENGERS 2

Then from there it would narrow the timeline for present-day.

Vampire Diaries was one year in two seasons? Did that happen after the second second? Could have sworn there was a halloween episode in both seasons but I could definitely be mistaken about that. Never saw past the middle of Season 2.
 
Well, that whole last page was really lame, huh, guys?

Let's not do that again. :o
 
Sometimes Ultimatehero just needs to hit us plebes with some knowledge.

Hey, I said I have a messiah complex regarding this stuff...

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... working on it.

Comically, or weirdly, everywhere else I'm not as arrogant and more of a door mat.... :whatever:
 
I'm coming at this thing from a completely different vantage point which makes me arrogant and assuming people know the same kinds of things.

So you know your vantage point is different, but you assume people know the same kinds of things? I'm not going to get on you about this any more, but just know that you can be off putting.

I'd say actors with BIGGER names than Charlie Sheen have done it. Way bigger. But, that's not the point. Some may refuse. But money? Is FAR from an issue as other posters seem to think. When actors paid more money per film than some of these names do cameo work on TV, it kind of shows money wouldn't be an issue.

Captain America was still frozen in the ice.

The biggest money puller is BUILDING INTO the Avengers films. At least the first time around because of the novelty of it. I explained how and why this would be the case in a post above.

Money is an issue when there's not a lot of it to go around. There's a reason you don't see big name actors on Sci-Fi/action shows that have SFX budgets. And while a BIGGER name actor may be willing to take 100K for an appereance, that doesn't mean that Jeremy Renner will.

Fury: "Oh, that? False positive. Some guy named Frank Castle, total nutcase, no powers." - the line is too small to merit limiting a series so that a throwaway ill-planned line can be explained. That's Marvel One-Shot stuff.

If you are building into the the Avengers films, that means you are making brand new adventures, that will have some impact on Avengers 2. If you are telling stories that tie into previous films, then you are actually deconstructing Avengers, you're not building into anything, because you're digging around in the past.

Regardless, the greatest money puller is making a great TV show that people will fall in love with for it's characters and storyline, not because it reminds them of a five year old movie. Setting the show in the past doesn't seem to help with that.
 
I already know and have made reference to it. It's my vice. One I'm trying to change before it really sends me for a whirlwind. Growing hubris = certain calamity.

I'm thinking Jeremy Renner is the one most likely to. He's still relatively an up-and-comer. His one big movie is Bourne. He's been Hawkeye in short-term still for two films and in interviews has said he wants to be Hawkeye more (so has Scarlet regarding Black Widow). He's still more supporting character than lead role. I'm not saying he's not big. Just not that big yet. And most of the other actors, except for RDJ and L. Jackson, are usually in indie movies with a couple hollywood features from time to time. RDJ would be the hardest, but his love for the character might bring him to TV.

Not the same thing, but I'm betting this cost a lot more than using Jeremy Renner would have been although a different type of show. Edward Norton - Simpsons.



Well, saying it has three seasons... it would be the third season that would be the build-up and by then it would be (if using a yearly time frame) on course with it.

The setting really doesn't matter as much as to the quality because it would still be all new adventures for the majority.
 
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I'm calling it right now: The show will feature a small division (either regional or a specialised squad) of SHIELD, rather than the head office, who largely operate indirectly under Fury (i.e. there's at least one middle man (or woman) who oversees the group and Fury does not need to micro-manage its operations) and that Fury and the Helicarrier won't regularly feature.


That being said, I do hope there will be an episode where SLJ does guest star, with it taking place aboard the Helicarrier where Hydra attacks; if only to see Fury yell out "Get these MUTHA****** SNAKES off my MUTHA****** BOAT!" :D
 
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Well, that whole last page was really lame, huh, guys?

Let's not do that again. :o

Okay. Something completely different.

You've heard others, now: Dr Cosmic's SHIELD series pitch!

Main Cast:

Carol Davners - Main Protagonist, Yvonne Strahovski or similar. Bigger name/wider range actress if possible. Capable. About business. Too serious for her own good. Think the female leads from Castle/Bones. You know the connection, not a coincidence.

Clay Quartermain - Carol's usual partner, totally rogueish spy, very much a James Bond with a dark secret. Protective, but deceptive and mysterious. That guy. Josh Holloway or similar, any young dirty blonde guy would be fine. Turns out to be a traitor eventually, but reconciles. Very Gambit-like in attitude, appeal and storyline.

Jasper Sitwell - Same guy reprising the role. Personnel Department head of SHIELD, Carol's commanding officer, a bit of a Napoleon complex, but very good at his job. Total jerk though. Still heart of gold, but a lot harder to find. Very funny guy. Trained by Coulson.

Daisy Johnson - The 'broken' rookie girl. Someone younger. Very much a Summer Glau character, but would prefer someone with some ethnicity. Can't control abilities well, still in training, has nowhere else to go and "Fury wants her there." Lost, angry, likely to lash out, needs a lot of guidance. Trains with inhibitors on to become a great agent. Learns to use her powers effectively in the field by the end of season 1, thanks to Carol.

Jimmy Woo - Carol's 'best friend' type guy, a trainer at SHIELD, occasionally goes on missions. Anybody Asian who's not afraid of being typecast, they're all pretty good actors. The laid back, cool, funny guy. Observational humor, sarcasm, things like that. Has an epic past involving ninjas and samurai and ancient occult organizations that eventually Carol gets dragged into. Very much a "Kung Fu James Bond." Knows it, plays with it.

Phillip Walter Lawson - Taking our Captain Marvel more from the Ultimate Universe, he appears to be a SHIELD all around tech guy/scientist until his Kree storyline comes up and he's revealed to be Mahr Vehl. In the mean time, he's 'the other guy' and almost the lovable geek/nerd type, aloof, almost Clark Kent-ish in the way he comes off. He dies eventually. Very sad. Someone a bit more mature with some cred.

(Edit: Not enough girls for a Whedon show:)
Jessica Drew - Initially HYDRA's top agent, eventually defects to the good guys, but is always Carol's rival both professionally and personally. Total natural bia with her own sordid HYDRA past. Very sensual seductive 'dark feminine' type, is a lab experiment involving spiders and such so has some low grade pheromones and electromagnetic stuff that makes her pretty deadly and very persuasive. Loves to take Carol down a peg whenever possible.

Abigail Brand - In charge of Extaterrestrial Department head at SHIELD, Sitwell's peer and totally badarse aggressive chick. Very much what Carol wants to be, but has a few problems herself that you wouldn't want. Turns out to be part alien later on, no one's sure if she can be trusted. Ends up going rogue before being brought back as the head of SWORD. Played by Amy Acker, naturally.

Recurring/Guest Cast:
Everyone you can think of from Agent 13 to Calvin Zabo.

Storyline:

"Heroes meets X-Files." or "Alphas meets 24." SHIELD is on full alert after the Avengers Initiative has been actual initiated. There's lots of fallout to take care of and strange new anomalies to take care of. Fury has Sitwell put together a task force to investigate and take care of some of these anomalies. It turns out there's always something crazy going on, and they find out that some organization is collecting it. That organization is called AIM, and it's bad news. Working their way through it's seedy underbelly, with its MODOKs and Taskmasters and Superadaptoids and Spider-Women, with it's backing by HYDRA and its ungodly experiments they find something called the Leader running the show, and he serves as the big bad for season 1. Of course, they've been experimenting on a captured alien life form called the Kree, and that leads into Season 2 where these cloaked ships are orbiting earth and waiting to strike, some strange alien superhero appears, something about a Supreme Intelligence and a Ronan judging the human race, Lawson is suspected as a defector and Carol and SHIELD is in the middle of it all.

Procedure:
Some strange anomaly occurs in some place on the planet. Things floating. Glowing men. The same things you might see on Fringe or X-Files. People suddenly turning up dead. Opening Credits. The team arrives on the scene of some anomaly and observes it, or brings the person or thing into custody. From here, the unique condition or device begins to cause problems for the team. They then deal with those problems, and use deduction, trial and error, resourcefulness and brute force in order to fix the problem. They are limited in how they use their clearance and computer tech because they can't draw attention to themselves or the case, it has to be kept under the radar out of the public eye. Eventually someone, usually Carol, gets through to the person involved and either talks them down or exploits their weakness and takes them out. That person is then taken to something called 'The Raft' a floating prison, which forms a major subplot of the show.

Through Story:
The story really is about Carol becoming a superhero. She starts out as a competent intelligence officer and expert pilot, and grows into someone who can take down supers with cleverness. Then the following season she actually gets powers and becomes a full fledged superhero in time for Avengers 2, and continues development from there in the show. There are subplots involving each of the supporting characters' pasts, which, especially in Quake and Lawson's case, play out as superhero stories. There's also subplot with the Raft and it being corrupted or people escaping from it, and a recurring plot with HYDRA and its manifestations via the Nazi Science Division, or AIM or whoever. That should be enough subplots for one season, methinks.

Iron Man 3 Tie In: Fallout from AIM in IM3 comes here
Cap 2 Tie In: SHIELD agents from show cameo in background a lot. Captain America may meet Carol formally, or she may pilot him to a mission.
Thor 2 Tie In: Jane Foster debriefed by Sitwell
Guardians of the Galaxy Tie In: None
Avengers 2 Tie in: Carol (assuming show has more than ten or twelve million viewers, so it's not something obscure and random) is a superhero on TV, so she joins the Avengers just as if she had a solo film, with a short recap, and a stake in the outcome of the film, especially since she works for SHIELD. Maybe she surprises them with having powers, they think she's just a pilot. Other show characters appear in background, small speaking part for Sitwell. Anyone not returning for Season 3 dies here.

Major Cameos

Agent Coulson - Sitwell focus episode, flashback to his training with Coulson, dealing with something cool in a slick, almost effortless way. Make us miss Coulson, hard. Have them briefly meet a fresh rookie agent Danvers and Coulson be encouraging.

Nick Fury - Pilot Episode, and whenever Sam has a free afternoon, shoot a meeting with Fury. Also, if possible, have Sam narrate the thing. Stars are often more easiliy compelled to do voice overs than appearances.

Maria Hill - Bring her on full time as soon as HIMYM is over, but in the meantime, give her an episode a season as well. Let her be friends with Carol, but they never get to hang out. Running gag with the voicemails.

Hawkeye - If he's willing, give him a full focus episode if he's down for it. Flashbacks on why he uses bows instead of guns, a hint at what kind of thing motivated him to spare Black Widow. Teaming up with the SHIELD squad, leading it out, tension with Carol. Make the CW Arrow look like a scrub.

Black Widow - Assuming actress is willing, have her be infiltrating AIM and that be her focus episode as one of the SHIELD regulars tries to extract her and it doesn't work, as usual.

Iron Man - Have the group be pinned down in a hopeless situation for a bottle/flashback/perspectives type episode, be told help is on the way. At the end of the episode, explosions take out the guys who have them pinned, Iron Man lands, and in the robotic Iron Man voice (stuntman in the practical suit) asks what the big problem was, does some snark, and asks Jarvis to order them some Shawarma.

Captain America - If the actor is willing, have him, out of costume, debrief the regulars on HYDRA. A five minute cameo that occurs as a promotion for Captain America 2.

Hulk - For a horror-styled episode, let a Hulk rampage be tearing through a town and the team be sent to stop it. We don't see the Hulk, we just see shadows and debris taking out red shirts and crippling main characters, and hear Hulk roars until the end of the episode when Carol stares him down and he walks away. Basically the bottle factor scene from TIH, but with more dialogue and character moments and desperation.

Thor - Ummm... i'm thinking Not. Eric Svelwig would definitely cameo. Definitely. And Darcy. It can't take the whole week to shoot Two Broke Girls.
 
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As I said in another thread. Happy we finally know what the show will be from joss. And can't wait to see how it turns out. Now I am curious to see what comic shield agents/shield villains who will be in the show. I also do hope we will see slj or smulders appear in the show as fury/hill. Now I don't expect them all the time. But at least some occassional appearances would be nice. And the more easier non physical appearances like audio/computer messages. Can't wait to see it when it comes.
 
Since everybody else is doing their pitch for this series, I'll go ahead and offer mine, too. (Joss, I hope you're reading this.)

1) ****!
2) BEER!
3) 'SPLOSIONS!

'nuff said.
 
Since everybody else is doing their pitch for this series, I'll go ahead and offer mine, too. (Joss, I hope you're reading this.)

1) ****!
2) BEER!
3) 'SPLOSIONS!

'nuff said.
Whedon and Beer - not an awesome combination on the storytelling front, historically speaking. :cwink:
 
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Since everybody else is doing their pitch for this series, I'll go ahead and offer mine, too. (Joss, I hope you're reading this.)

1) ****!
2) BEER!
3) 'SPLOSIONS!

'nuff said.


He ain't Michael bay. You'll get the opposite.
 
So an ongoing SHIELD series without Nick Fury,Hawkeye,Black Widow,Maria Hill,Etc.....sounds like a great idea.(yawn) Much better than a Daredevil,Punisher or Heroes For Hire series......zzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Since everybody else is doing their pitch for this series, I'll go ahead and offer mine, too. (Joss, I hope you're reading this.)

1) ****!
2) BEER!
3) 'SPLOSIONS!

'nuff said.

He ain't Michael bay. You'll get the opposite.

So, PENISES!, WINE! and ORGASMS! then. :woot:

And for those confused about Item No. 3: [blackout]Love is the opposite of war.[/blackout]

But let's be realistic here. This is Whedon. Meaning, what we're going to get are:

1. BUFFY SPEAK!
2. PETITE WAIFS WHO KICK ASS!
3. Bare feet.



That looks 12 kinds of awesome. And given the timing of it, I reckon there's a good chance they'll be making an appearance. Methinks this short might actually serve as a test 'pilot' to gauge audience reaction and exposure for the new SHIELD series. After all, the idea of a SHIELD series must've been already going on when that was written.
 
I hope there are a few anthology stories occasionally on this show, perhaps told with a framing device around the story.
 
TO JJ'S OLDPOST:

Used to get the coffee, now it's writer meetings and yeah yesterday arguing with nobody's (JJ's words) did waste a lot of my time and now I seriously have to play catch up today. Being a writer gives me my own schedule. Being young gives me immaturity and bad time management, so sue me lol.
 
I have a feeling you're not nearly as important as you think you are. If you're writing anything, it's long-winded posts that go nowhere in this thread.

I don't want to derail the thread again, so I'll hold back. But you're not fooling anyone here.
 
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I have a feeling you're not nearly as important as you think you are. If you're writing anything, it's long-winded posts that go nowhere in this thread.

I don't want to derail the thread again, so I'll hold back. But you're not fooling anyone here.

Hey, you're welcomed to think and believe whatever it is you want to think and believe. I'm not trying to fool anyone I think is the key here.
 
I definately like the idea of carol, clay, and mockingbird being main cast. And like others said probably be set up ala csi/other cop shows. So we be just focusing on a single group of shield agents doing what ever from looking into new heroes, taking out some super villains, hydra, etc..... stuff. So then ya we don't have to have the helicarrier, fury/hill needed all the time. And can be used during sweeps. To just audio/computer messages when they can't get slj/smulders.

Torch you don't need to have maria, fury showing up in every episode to be around and still play a key in the show. Its not going to be possible for jackson/smulders with there tv/film schedules to be around for a 18-24 episode count. But popping in physically 2 oe three times a season is more doable. Along with audio/computer messages being made. That is why you can do something like sitwall/that other guy/carol as the head of the group. And by poxy gets missions/briefs from hill/fury.

I can't wait to see what comic characters appear. What the budget will be for show. And tone/plot be. And any surprise appearances of slj/smulders/rdjr or others(also in that if they can't have the heroes appear just leave it as video footage from the films/paper headlines of new stuff they are doing).
 
So an ongoing SHIELD series without Nick Fury,Hawkeye,Black Widow,Maria Hill,Etc.....sounds like a great idea.(yawn) Much better than a Daredevil,Punisher or Heroes For Hire series......zzzzzzzzzzzz

For hardcore Marvel fans, no, this is not the ideal series. But the alternatives:

Punisher: Proven failure with the masses, so much so that even when they finally make a good one, no one cares to see it.

Daredevil: Also a failure, might be successful in a reboot, but you basically can only tell crime stories (thus limited connection to any other heroes or villains outside of Hell's Kitchen) and you can't do the rooftop swinging, or the sound-vision on a TV-budget, making him a very anemic Daredevil on a very anemic show. That's a triple threat of unappealing for non-DD fans, and a failed show waiting to be made.

Heroes for Hire: At least they can meet a lot of different people/cases, but superstrength and glowing hands are even worse for TV. You'd be constantly coming up with excuses why Luke (or Danny for that matter) doesn't just go through the wall because you can't afford to have him do that all the time. TV budgets mean Heroes and Smallville-level super powered action. Very short spurts at the beginning and ends of episodes.

SHIELD: Based on a proven show type (spy/espionage/task force)? check. Can cover all the topics in the Marvel Universe? Check. Make natural sense for Fury/Hill/Hawkeye/Widow/OTher Movie characters to guest star in. Double Check. Affordable action on a TV budget. Check. Ensemble Cast type that appeals to the Whedons? Check. Lots of great female characters that appeal to the Whedons? Check. An instantly recognizable name that non-fanboys are already aware of as not sucking? Check.

All you have to do is make the casual fans not miss SLJ, and you can do that by having him in the pilot to kickstart things... or disappear. :)
 
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