Joss Whedon's ideas in x3

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  1. jimjam-06 Phoenix Particle

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    Anyone else see a link in stealing some of Joss Whedon's ideas in x3? :)

    There's obviously the cure, which is in the comics but that's okay, of course

    But does anyone else notice ideas seemingly stolen from his ideas?

    Like Dark Phoenix is - veiny and dark eyed , way too much like Dark Willow from Buffy for my liking...

    And that isn't Phoenix, it's willow, for me Phoenix should be bright eyed surrounded by fire, you know? She isn't pure evil as they seem to be making her... She's about power (ie, phoenix bird needed)

    And going back to x2, the line:- "Have you ever tried... not being a mutant?"

    This is exactly the famous line from Buffy: "Have you ever tried... not being a slayer?"

    I mean, what is it with Whedon's ideas? :eek:
    Am I making mountains out of molehills? :confused:
     
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    Wow, now that I think about it thats is alot like "Dark willow " but im just glad we even have that.:(
     
  3. zer00 Registered

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    You're...not one of the people who think Whedon created the known universe, are you?
     
  4. livrule Registered

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    There is a serious amount of Grant Morrison in there too!
     
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    No, I think there's some Whedon influence going on here. I too thought of that Buffy line when I heard "Have you ever tried...not being a mutant?"

    And the Dark Willow thing...yeah...very very similiar. I agree that this was a bad move: Phoenix isn't supposed look drained, evil and vampish - she's supposed to be glorious flames, energy - like you said: Phoenix is power - that's what makes her so unique and ambiguous.
     
  6. MemnochZERO Coin Operated Boy

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    ...And Brian K. Vaughn as well, and Claremont, and that's just what we know about. It's really closeminded to think of this soley as a Whedon inspired film when there are so many other factors... I mean that bridge scene is lifted outta Morrison's Planet X arc.
     
  7. Abaddon Watching

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    The line "Have you ever tried...." in both the movie and the show is sort of a spin on "Have you tried not being gay?". Whedon didn't create it. But I do think Phoenix is a little too Dark Willowy.
     
  8. RagingTempest Registered

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    Okay, I'm a Buffy fan and I don't see how Dark Phoenix looks like Dark Willow!!!:confused:

    I think you guys are looking a little too into that!!!:down
     
  9. Abaddon Watching

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    It's the eyes mainly. I expected a different kind of approach.
     
  10. jimjam-06 Phoenix Particle

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    I in no way said it was a solely Whedon inspired film, I was referring to specific ideas!
     
  11. jimjam-06 Phoenix Particle

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    Did you not see the pics/vid of her veiny and black eyed? :confused:
     
  12. wobbly Occasional Scribbler

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    This is a kind of ironic subject since 'Dark Willow' was a thinly vieled lift from the X-Men in the first place...
     
  13. Abaddon Watching

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    You make it sound like he tried claiming the idea as his own.
     
  14. jimjam-06 Phoenix Particle

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    well if you know the actual story of Dark Willow.... It isn't really

    Phoenix is about power (loss of control)

    Willow is about revenge (through power)

    IMO it's quite different :confused:
     
  15. Abaddon Watching

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    They're both corrupted by their own sense of power. And for that matter,you could throw in Faith there.
     
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  17. wobbly Occasional Scribbler

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    Not at all, and don't try putting words into my mouth.
     
  18. Abaddon Watching

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    I wasn't,thats just what the implication seemed to be.:confused:
     
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    Yes, but that doesn't mean that the look was stolen from the show!!! Besides Joss Whedon based Buffy off his love for comics like X-MEN!!!
     
  20. wobbly Occasional Scribbler

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    Willows power had been growing throughout the season, it was an ongoing theme and concern for those around her throughout. Revenge, after Terra's murder, was what tipped her over the edge.

    As you may recall, Jean's growing powers were a concern to those around her and revenge on Mastermind immediately proceeded her transformation into Dark Phoenix...

    So yeah..I do know the actual story.
     
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    Thats ok, I guess it's how you read 'thinly veiled'.
    For me that term means no attempt is really made by the writer to hide the real source of the story, so I dont see using that term as an implication that Whedon had ever claimed the idea was his at all.
     
  22. Abaddon Watching

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    I understand your point, I've just seen it more often,if not always, used with a negative connotation. But there's no need to get into semantics now that you clarified,so its all good.:up:
     
  23. Speedball Don't. Blink.

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    The writers also took Dr. Kavita Rao from Whedon.
     
  24. Pizzaboy1138 The Queen's Darkness

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    How about the whole "love triangle" between Buffy (Jean), Angel (Scott) and Spike (Logan).
     
  25. Abaddon Watching

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    Thats because the story is based on what Whedon wrote theyve said this millions of times. Sigh.
     

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