Judge Orders Bakery to Serve Gay Couple

[Dispatch Ninja]

People still watch mtv?

 

[Snow Queen]

We were talking about a person predisposed to pedophilia having to control themselves (in this case,under penalty of law) and how that relates to a Gay person being able to do the same.

There is no comparison here though because one involves a child, who does not have the same legal standing as an adult, and one involves two consenting adults.

 

[KevanG]

A consensual act between two adults and when it's a child and an adult forcing him/herself upon the child that's considered the same thing? How?

Also, unless it's literally an addiction to sex then a sex addiction isn't just being attracted to a certain gender. That's personal preference. It's like saying that someone who prefers to have sex with people who have far darker skin that they do is an addiction.

 

[Human Torch]

There is no comparison here though because one involves a child, who does not have the same legal standing as an adult, and one involves two consenting adults.

Again,that doesn't support that "born this way" argument,because if pedophiles are born that way and are expected to control their urges,the same can be said of homosexuals.

 

[SentinelMind]

Again,that doesn't support that "born this way" argument,because if pedophiles are born that way and are expected to control they're urges,the same can be said of homosexuals.

Exactly....pretty straightforward.

 

[The Question]

Again,that doesn't support that "born this way" argument,because if pedophiles are born that way and are expected to control they're urges,the same can be said of homosexuals.

But why should homosexuals have to?

 

[Snow Queen]

Again,that doesn't support that "born this way" argument,because if pedophiles are born that way and are expected to control they're urges,the same can be said of homosexuals.

This still does not change that the child has not reached emotional maturity to make a decision like that. I'm talking about the child, not whether or not the pedophile is born this way. The child does not have the same rights as an adult and cannot give consent under the law, which is what makes a relationship like this illegal, no matter whether or not the pedophile is born that way.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Again,that doesn't support that "born this way" argument,because if pedophiles are born that way and are expected to control their urges,the same can be said of homosexuals.

This has to be one your worst posts yet. And that is saying something.

Why should gays control their urges?

 

[SentinelMind]

But why should homosexuals have to?

No one "has to"...its just many cities and towns are perturbed at hypocrisy at the demand that everyone submit at providing more services and reorganize traditional institutions to accommodate alternate personal lifestyle.

Don't ask...Don't Tell as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Thundercrack85]

No one "has to"...its just many cities and towns are perturbed at hypocrisy at the demand that everyone submit at providing more services and reorganize traditional institutions to accommodate alternate personal lifestyle.

Don't ask...Don't Tell as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah that worked great for the military.

 

[The Question]

No one "has to"...its just many cities and towns are perturbed at hypocrisy at the demand that everyone submit at providing more services and reorganize traditional institutions to accommodate alternate personal lifestyle.

Otherwise known as basic human decency.

Don't ask...Don't Tell as far as I'm concerned.

Or how about people shouldn't have to live in secret when they aren't doing anything wrong just because you don't like change?

 

[SentinelMind]

This still does not change that the child has not reached emotional maturity to make a decision like that. I'm talking about the child, not whether or not the pedophile is born this way. The child does not have the same rights as an adult and cannot give consent under the law, which is what makes a relationship like this illegal, no matter whether or not the pedophile is born that way.

what's going to stop civil rights groups from saying children are being discriminated against if pedophile and child consent to each other...

It comes down whether existence of personal urges to engage in activity means all society should accommodate it. You seem to be drawing arbitrary lines when convenient which future generations will arbitrarily move in the future.

 

[Human Torch]

But why should homosexuals have to?

I'm not going to give a laundry list (and SM has already done so several times),but there is a reason every major world religion has opposed it as deviant behavior for centuries.Just because popular opinion has changed,right and wrong hasn't.As I said before,if you condone Gay Marriage,you better not oppose incestuous couples or Polygamy because you won't have the proverbial leg to stand on.

 

[The Question]

what's going to stop civil rights groups from saying children are being discriminated against if pedophile and child consent to each other...

The fact that civil rights groups are smarter than that, for starters.

It comes down whether existence of personal urges to engage in activity means all society should accommodate it. You seem to be drawing arbitrary lines when convenient which future generations will arbitrarily move in the future.

The line isn't arbitrary. The line is "is anyone doing anything to hurt themselves or other people?"

The problem here is that, in the case of the LGBT community, you refuse to accept that the answer to that question is "no."

 

[Thundercrack85]

Oh God no, not polygamy!

But right and wrong have changed. The world has moved away from your sense of morality, and we should all be thankful for that.

 

[SentinelMind]

Otherwise known as basic human decency.



Or how about people shouldn't have to live in secret when they aren't doing anything wrong just because you don't like change?

Do you support incestuous marriages between consenting adults? Do you believe that is embedded in the US Constitution?

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm not aware of millions of brothers and sisters who want to marry each other... Though I guess there might be some. Let me think on that.

 

[KevanG]

I'm mostly behind the "Whatever makes them happy as long as it's consenting and doesn't hurt anyone" idea.

 

[Snow Queen]

I'm not going to give a laundry list (and SM has already done so several times),but there is a reason every major world religion has opposed it as deviant behavior for centuries.Just because popular opinion has changed,right and wrong hasn't.As I said before,if you condone Gay Marriage,you better not oppose incestuous couples or Polygamy because you won't have the proverbial leg to stand on.

So, right and wrong are governed by religion then? So why aren't shellfish and tattoos illegal and rapists have to marry their victim if their victim is a virgin and they can never divorce a law? Those are in the Bible too.

 

[SentinelMind]

I'm not aware of millions of brothers and sisters who want to marry each other... Though I guess there might be some. Let me think on that.

So opportunity should be given based on popularity...and how do you know the popularity won't increase once its made legal/acceptable in society??

I await your response in bold.

 

[The Question]

I'm not going to give a laundry list (and SM has already done so several times),

And has been wrong every time.

but there is a reason every major world religion has opposed it as deviant behavior for centuries.

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Hinduism

http://www.religionfacts.com/homosexuality/buddhism.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan

Really it's just the Abrahamic religions, and that's because they all came from the same cultural source.

Just because popular opinion has changed,right and wrong hasn't.

And homosexuality has never been and will never be wrong.

As I said before,if you condone Gay Marriage,you better not oppose incestuous couples or Polygamy because you won't have the proverbial leg to stand on.

I agree. Just not in the way that you'd like.

 

[The Question]

Do you support incestuous marriages between consenting adults? Do you believe that is embedded in the US Constitution?

Sure, why not? If a brother and sister or a pair of cousins want to get married, I've got no problem with that. Their kids might be born with gills, but other than that I don't see any problems.

 

[Thundercrack85]

So opportunity should be given based on popularity...and how do you know the popularity won't increase once its made legal/acceptable in society??

I await your response in bold.

You don't do sarcasm, do you?

All of these responses, pedophilia, insist, polygamy... are old, and rather tired. I'm surprised you haven't brought up bestiality yet, actually.

The reason we oppose incest (beside it usually falling under pedophilia), is because it leads to inbreeding. We're also genetically predisposed against it, which is why it's so rare.

 

[SentinelMind]

The Question, you believe not allowing incestuous marriage and polygamy is objectively wrong?

 

[KevanG]

As long as they're aware of the consequences of interbreeding family then why not? I have no interest in it but if they really feel the need for it then I don't see why I should stop them. If they are aware of the possible and likely genetic damage and abnormalities that might occur beforehand then it falls to them to be responisble about it.