Judge Orders Bakery to Serve Gay Couple

[Feenix]

Everyone has free will, but no one in this country has an inherent right to have their personal choices automatically supported by the federal government. Same-sex unions are a huge industry already, so permission's obviously not what they're after. They want total promotion across the board, nothing less.

Being gay is not a personal choice and that incorrect notion is NOT supported by any data whatsoever. Why would anyone choose to be gay? That means a life of judgement and bullying and discrimination.

They want the same rights as anyone else. You can't change being gay like you can't change being a certain skin color.

 

[Joshua_B]

Human nature is selfish....people need a source of morality guiding and pushing them to counter that selfish nature
We need presence of God to push people to not "help just enough for not being forced"...otherwise world will succumb to further despair.

I have more respect for someone who helps even though he doesn't want to but because he thinks its right thing to do....than someone who only helps the people he likes. That's difference between God-centered morality and self-justified "morality."

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

I'm kinda torn on this, as a photographer if a client comes to me for a photoshoot and I'm uncomfortable with the subject of that shoot then should I not be within my rights to decline the business and suggest another photographer that will meet they're needs.

But again the baker in this story is simply a bigot,I think the whole thing could have been resolved if the baker had been smarter about the business and found out what elements would be required for the client I'm sure the subject and style of wedding would have come up. That's just common business sense sadly though it seems that if you agree with the baker in any form your on the level of shall we say some of the more narrow minded people of the hype.

I'm never going to walk into a shoot not knowing what subject matter and style the client wants, that just leaves you unpropared and looking like a moron, which I guess brings us back full circle.

The main problem here isn't to do with the couples sexual orientation in a way, but the idea that the baker chose to do so after agreeing to work with the couple. Isn't that essential a violation of a business contract.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Honestly, I see this as rather silly. You're going to force someone who hates you to serve a cake for your wedding?

Seems like a lot of trouble to go through to prove a point.

This kind of stuff really doesn't help gay couples' image. Just go to a baker who isn't a bigot. Or since it's Colorado, a high one.

 

[KevanG]

Personally I think that he shouldn't have been forced to make a cake for them. It just be advertised that he's being a bigot about this should be enough of a punishment. Anyone looking for baked goods in the area that does a search on him will have this come up and it'll taint his company for years.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Would be pretty funny if the cake turns out to be really bad.

Well, the chase is better than the catch I suppose.

 

[KevanG]

That's the issue I have with it. The guy could make the cake terrible and ruin the whole day and get his revenge that way or do other unmentionable things.

 

[Thundercrack85]

That's the issue I have with it. The guy could make the cake terrible and ruin the whole day and get his revenge that way or do other unmentionable things.

Take him to court again?

 

[KevanG]

The day is still ruined and even if it tastes fine many bad things could be done. I'd have tarnished his rep and went elsewhere.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't know how tarnished his rep would be. Chick-fil-a is doing pretty damn good.

Actually, I think a lot of locals would rally around him, given that this sounds like rich out of towners picking a fight with a local bakery.

 

[BestGirl]

The gay couple would have to be stupid to eat the cake of a man they just sued. Odds are, now that the point is made, they're going to toss it in the trash and get a new one elsewhere.

 

[KevanG]

People will ignore idiots if it means the food is good.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I've lived in countries where homosexuality gets the death penalty (or at least, a very long prison sentence), and bought baked good there... so, yeah this really isn't that big of a deal to me.

Not that I'm saying it's right. Hell, if it was me, I'd sell cakes to whoever. But I'm a capitalist.

I'd just go to another bakery.

 

[SentinelMind]

Being gay is not a personal choice and that incorrect notion is NOT supported by any data whatsoever. Why would anyone choose to be gay? That means a life of judgement and bullying and discrimination.

Have you provided any data to justify your disdain of Christians in this thread? You asked me for stats, where are the stats for lot of your claims?

People never volantarily do things that would cause them to be bullied?

People don't drink/do drugs regardless of family condemnation?
People don't commit crimes regardless of what mothers say?
Kids don't wear Wiccan or grunge rock clothes regardless of classmate ridicule?
People don't cheat on spouse regardless of what church says?
People don't skip class regardless of teacher disapproval?
More women are having children out of wedlock than before...is it something they have no control over?

People do WHOLE LOADS of crap regardless of what other says. Doing something that others don't like doesn't inherently make it bad....but if teh activity is harfmul then the activity could very well be an addiction. Addiction to vices despite being shunned by others doesn't make it acceptable.

Ultimately more people are practicing homosexuality and some other things I mentioned above because our society promotes that lifestyle more and more every day, ultimately to our country's peril.

 

[SentinelMind]

I've lived in countries where homosexuality gets the death penalty (or at least, a very long prison sentence), and bought baked good there... so, yeah this really isn't that big of a deal to me.

Not that I'm saying it's right. Hell, if it was me, I'd sell cakes to whoever. But I'm a capitalist.

I'd just go to another bakery.

I meant to ask if you're gay...but wasn't sure if I'd be attacked for askign..so here you're saying you're gay? Ok, I'm just asking as I like to know background of people I'm talking to.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Ultimately more people are practicing homosexuality and some other things I mentioned above because our society promotes that lifestyle more and more every day, ultimately to our country's peril.

Country's peril? Really?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

...congratulations, Sentinelmind, you well and truly are the worst poster I've ever come across on the hype. Wear it with honor

 

[Thundercrack85]

I meant to ask if you're gay...but wasn't sure if I'd be attacked for askign..so here you're saying you're gay? Ok, I'm just asking as I like to know background of people I'm talking to.

I'm not. But if I were, I would go to another bakery.

 

[SentinelMind]

Personally I think that he shouldn't have been forced to make a cake for them. It just be advertised that he's being a bigot about this should be enough of a punishment. Anyone looking for baked goods in the area that does a search on him will have this come up and it'll taint his company for years.

Has Chick-Fil-A's image been hugely tainted? perhaps little from some...but they've gotten even stronger support from their base...so it can be a wash. Furthermore, money isn't end all of life.

 

[SentinelMind]

...congratulations, Sentinelmind, you well and truly are the worst poster I've ever come across on the hype. Wear it with honor

Since I'm posting against the grain of this forum and being ridiculed so much...it must mean that I'm right and can't control the hide the truth of what I say and my views should be accommodated. Isn't that analogous to the entire argument justifying gay agenda in this thread?

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Well that's some ass backwards logic, but hey you're entertaining so keep at it Fred phelps

 

[Thundercrack85]

Since I'm posting against the grain of this forum and being ridiculed so much...it must mean that I'm right and can't control the hide the truth of what I say and my views should be accommodated. Isn't that analogous to the entire argument justifying gay agenda in this thread?

Your position is ridiculous, that's why it's being ridiculed.

 

[SentinelMind]

I agree popularity of something doesn't make it right or wrong...showing how silly that notion is and how it can be used against others.

You have to judge activity...on its own results.
When you see the impact of homosexual lifestyle on degrading well-being of society and threatening our youth, you can understand the wisdom of its condemnation in The Holy Bible, greatest and wisest book that has ever been written.

 

[The Question]

Yeah except that it doesn't have an impact anywhere except in your head.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I agree popularity of something doesn't make it right or wrong...showing how silly that notion is and how it can be used against others.

You have to judge activity...on its own results.
When you see the impact of homosexual lifestyle on degrading well-being of society and threatening our youth, you can understand the wisdom of its condemnation in The Holy Bible, greatest and wisest book that has ever been written.

How is homosexuality threatening the youth?