Judge Orders Bakery to Serve Gay Couple

My entire outlook and the LBGT group is that as long as they aren't hurting anyone and it's consensual then love who you love. You want to get married? Go for it. You want to adopt kids? Fine. There have been no reputable studies done that show that anything is wrong with that. There's a crazy high divorce rate? Let everyone be able to marry and see if it evens out. All in all I just find it ridiculous that everyone is in a huff because people fall in love outside of the strict definition of 'normal' when normal has never been normal at any time, just generally accepted for a small time period before being changed and even then usually only in a localized area.

But getting back to the cake thing, I wouldn't eat the cake if I was either of the couple. It just seems like revenge won't be the only thing served cold in it.
 
That was among list of other things that used to be shunned but are now celebrated in society...but yeah I can get back to specific topic.

I already mentioned activity leads to STDs, depression, internal confusion, inability to create life, higher unsatisfying promiscuity, gender confusion
 
Okay. So?

Are you saying So that you honestly don't care if child doesn't know who their biological father is???????????????????????????????

:dry:

Are you next going to say its objectively true that ignorance of their heritage is ok?
 
You think children being born out of wedlock is a good thing? Some of those kids ultimately do not know who their biological father is...

Have you seen any of the talk shows of the last twenty years or so? That's their bread and butter. Just check any episode of Maury "You are NOT the father!" *starts dancing*
 
I do think it's important for children to have both parents. What that has to do with this... eludes me.
 
Being gay is not a personal choice and that incorrect notion is NOT supported by any data whatsoever. Why would anyone choose to be gay? That means a life of judgement and bullying and discrimination.

They want the same rights as anyone else. You can't change being gay like you can't change being a certain skin color.

This is what I consider the most offensive.Equating race with being gay.

People honestly think it's the same thing.Wow.
 
Article quote:
There are also health concerns. Among homosexuals there is a greater incidence of AIDS and HIV. Suicide rates are higher among homosexuals, men especially (about six times higher). And the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, such as herpes and genital warts, is higher among homosexuals as well. That’s not “hate speech,” those are documented facts.

Furthermore, data from a number of reputable sources show that raising kids in anything other than traditional mom-dad households is what has led to so many of today’s mounting teen problems.

Other studies indicate that the average homosexual man has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime – a lifestyle that is difficult for even “committed” homosexuals to break free of, and which is not conducive to the raising of healthy, happy children.

Also, a separate survey of 1,099 lesbians by the “Journal of Social Service Research” found that “slightly more than half … reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequently indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2002/03/13321/#AfQXhKmJUdUYSuE5.99
 
This is what I consider the most offensive.Equating race with being gay.

People honestly think it's the same thing.Wow.

They are only the same in the sense that you have no control over it. I see nothing offensive with stating that fact.
 
Are you saying So that you honestly don't care if child doesn't know who their biological father is???????????????????????????????

:dry:

Yes. A lot of kids are in that situation and they're fine.

Are you next going to say its objectively true that ignorance of their heritage is ok?

I don't see how it's necessarily harmful.
 
Of course homosexual suicide rates are higher then heterosexuals.... they have to deal with jerks telling them they are inferior their entire life.
 
My cousin married another woman around five or six years ago and they've had nothing but great times. They're happily married and all I hear from them is great things. They've said that the people they've known and the groups that they've been in have said that most of those stats are from decades old surveys and many don't take into account actual couples, just stats from various websites about abuse.

Also, just did some reading about the WND website and they don't seem to be a very reputable news source. They've had libel lawsuits in the past dealing with misquoting sources, they've spoken against LGBT groups as a whole and have disputed Obama's birth certificate.
 
Yes. A lot of kids are in that situation and they're fine.



I don't see how it's necessarily harmful.


A huge indicator of how a child does is school is participation from both parents..that's kind of a problem when young child doesn't know who one of their parents are....is perpetually looking for a father figure who isn't there and isn't consistently there for mother. I find nonchalance towards this issue pretty offensive.

Quote Article:

A review of the empirical evidence in the professional literature of the social sciences gives policymakers an insight into the root causes of crime. Consider, for instance:
Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.
High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.
State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.
The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
The type of aggression and hostility demonstrated by a future criminal often is foreshadowed in unusual aggressiveness as early as age five or six.
The future criminal tends to be an individual rejected by other children as early as the first grade who goes on to form his own group of friends, often the future delinquent gang.
On the other hand:
Neighborhoods with a high degree of religious practice are not high-crime neighborhoods.
Even in high-crime inner-city neighborhoods, well over 90 percent of children from safe, stable homes do not become delinquents. By contrast only 10 percent of children from unsafe, unstable homes in these neighborhoods avoid crime.
Criminals capable of sustaining marriage gradually move away from a life of crime after they get married.
The mother's strong affectionate attachment to her child is the child's best buffer against a life of crime.
The father's authority and involvement in raising his children are also a great buffer against a life of crime.


http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime
 
If Sarah Palin's family has taught us anything... it's that abstinence doesn't work.

Sarah Palin's daughter used protection...inconsistently (they knew what condoms were), which led to the pregnancy.
 
They are only the same in the sense that you have no control over it. I see nothing offensive with stating that fact.

do you believe pedophiles cannot control who they have sex with?
 
A huge indicator of how a child does is school is participation from both parents..that's kind of a problem when young child doesn't know who one of their parents are....is perpetually looking for a father figure who isn't there and isn't consistently there for mother. I find nonchalance towards this issue pretty offensive.

I agree. Kids are, statistically speaking, better off when they have two parents participating in their lives. But the thing is that adoptive parents, step parents, and grandparents, aunts, and uncles that are closely involved in helping to raise the child count for that as well as biological parents.

Quote Article:

A review of the empirical evidence in the professional literature of the social sciences gives policymakers an insight into the root causes of crime. Consider, for instance:
Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.
High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.
State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.
The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
The type of aggression and hostility demonstrated by a future criminal often is foreshadowed in unusual aggressiveness as early as age five or six.
The future criminal tends to be an individual rejected by other children as early as the first grade who goes on to form his own group of friends, often the future delinquent gang.
On the other hand:
Neighborhoods with a high degree of religious practice are not high-crime neighborhoods.
Even in high-crime inner-city neighborhoods, well over 90 percent of children from safe, stable homes do not become delinquents. By contrast only 10 percent of children from unsafe, unstable homes in these neighborhoods avoid crime.
Criminals capable of sustaining marriage gradually move away from a life of crime after they get married.
The mother's strong affectionate attachment to her child is the child's best buffer against a life of crime.
The father's authority and involvement in raising his children are also a great buffer against a life of crime.


http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
 
Gay people don't enjoy having sex with people of the opposite sex.

Why is this not computing?

There are numerous organizations including churches and facilities willing to help them with self-control and relationship issues, but those organization are being threatened by governments more and more everyday.
 
There are numerous organizations including churches and facilities willing to help them with self-control and relationship issues, but those organization are being threatened by governments more and more everyday.

Pray the gay away facilities?

It's not going away. If you're gay, you're gay.
 
do you believe pedophiles cannot control who they have sex with?

Homosexuality and yes even pedophilia is the same in that the person's natural feeling and want to do something can not be controlled. Just like someone's race.

IF that should be controlled is a whole different subject matter.
 

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