Jurassic World - Part 10

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I have similar ratings. I think JW is more fun than 'good' (as fun as JP for me) while JP the fun but a lot more of the good. TLW loses it at the end but otherwise I enjoy watching it, especially for the Postlethwaite stuff and early scenes. JPIII is a joke, but I can still get enjoyment out of it. Those 2 other sequels gave us good looks at Compsognathus and Spinosaurus as well as a good number of other herbivores. Definitely have a place in any Jurassic run I do.

Yeah I found JW to more then just fun. JP I fell like was a perfect movie and cant really think of any thing I didn't like about it. JW had a few things I didn't like or care for but nothing big. I liked the kids a lot more in JP then JW. Both JP and JW had great raptors in the movie where 3 and lost world didn't have the raptors in the movie much. TLW still has some great moments but some bad ones to. JP3 is bad but I can still watch it because it dose have a few cool moments like the bird cage thing. Some of the action in JW was just wow and the end man.:hmr:
 
I don't think it matters if it beats the first Avengers overall, it's going to most likely make over 500mil. It's a massive hit.

It's going to have a bigger second weekend drop than the first Avengers I believe and that's fine as well.
It doesn't matter but fun to watch it and see where it ends up. I'm sure the studio would be happy even if the 1st week total had been the total gross.
 
Yeah I found JW to more then just fun. JP I fell like was a perfect movie and cant really think of any thing I didn't like about it. JW had a few things I didn't like or care for but nothing big. I liked the kids a lot more in JP then JW. Both JP and JW had great raptors in the movie where 3 and lost world didn't have the raptors in the movie much. TLW still has some great moments but some bad ones to. JP3 is bad but I can still watch it because it dose have a few cool moments like the bird cage thing. Some of the action in JW was just wow and the end man.:hmr:
Yeah I forgot the birdcage, that was definitely fun. Yep JW definitely delivered on the action stakes. I thought some of the ideas were too risky (training raptors and having them on the same team) but they came off fine.
 
Yeah I forgot the birdcage, that was definitely fun. Yep JW definitely delivered on the action stakes. I thought some of the ideas were too risky (training raptors and having them on the same team) but they came off fine.

Yeah I wasn't really worried about the whole training thing because people train dangerous animals in real life but the twist with that was just brilliant!
 
I can't believe that, despite only decent reviews, and having previously had two awful sequels, this movie is doing so well

credit to the marketing dept
they could sell ketchup popsicles to a woman in white gloves, apparently
 
I was surprised how much I liked it. And this is from someone who thinks JP 3 is a legitimately good movie, lol. Honestly I went into it expecting not much more than 2 hours of random "hey, remember when we did this better in the original movie?" type of references, but it actually stood well on its own even if it wasn't entirely innovative.

That said, I think they missed some opportunities by not fully taking advantage of the concept of being in a park open to and populated by tourists. The pteranodon scene was great and I loved the pandemonium, but other than that brief sequence you never really got the feeling that anyone was truly in danger or that anything was at stake.
 
Eh, I don't know if I completely agree with that notion. It might be true to a certain extent, mainly because many of today's movies are variations or continuations of the same concepts we've seen time and time again. This makes some movies seem unoriginal and unimpressive, because we've "been there and done that" before, even if they are technically solid films.

The reaction to certain films can (and should) hinge on the time they were released, what they presented to audiences, the impact the film had on audiences along with cinema as a whole, and some classics like JP represent a "perfect storm" of factors coming together. Would Jurassic Park get picked apart more if it were released today instead of 20 years ago? Probably, but based on the nature of today's cinema, they probably wouldn't have produced a movie that closely resembles what we know as Jurassic Park.

With JP, you had a director in the prime of his filmmaking era, a strong cast that elevated the characters as they were written, the perfect blend of practical and digital effects that pushed the boundaries of what people knew to be possible then, an incredible musical score, and of course, the benefit of presenting audiences with a concept they had never seen before. Furthermore and for all these reasons, it was a great film that influenced many of the blockbusters that followed it and was undeserving of harsh criticism or discontent.

Another important thing to consider is that while it might seem like movie fans are now more jaded, overly critical, and harder to please than before is that there now exists an outlet (the Internet) where people like us (or anyone) can publicly voice their opinions on any and all movies that are released or have been released in the past, whether it be through any of the social media platforms or community forums like this one. Today, anyone has the opportunity to be a "critic", whereas that opportunity didn't exist in the past.

People walking out of The Lost World or Speed 2: Cruise Control might have been able to talk to their friends or family about how/why they thought the movie sucked and wasn't as good as the original. They were able to pick it apart with their work colleagues the next day or could discuss it over the phone while having a conversation with someone, but they couldn't get online and write a post that expressed their thoughts to their hundreds or thousands of Facebook friends and Twitter followers. They couldn't make a Youtube video to mock the movie and rip it to shreds. They couldn't find hundreds of critic's reviews from every media outlet in the country collected in one place that was available for them to view with one click of the mouse.

I do think it's harder to produce a blockbuster today that is widely considered to be good or great, mainly because (as I said) so many more movies are released yearly now, we've already seen just about every kind of movie you can think of, expectations are higher than they used to be thanks to the way movies are anticipated and reported on, and it's harder for movies to be "fresh" or innovative.

But with that said, I think the same general rules apply. Audiences appreciate and respond to tightly wound stories, great characters and actors, exciting visuals, and films that either present us with new concepts or take existing concepts and turn them on their heads. Films like The Dark Knight, Inception, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Gravity, The Departed, (500) Days of Summer, District 9, Knocked Up, Little Miss Sunshine, Casino Royale, Pixar's Up, and Avatar are recent films that I feel are good examples of this.

Great post.

It's really interesting to see how the Internet (or, more generally, the ease for direct, global comunication) has affected our (as a society or at least a fraction of it) way to view entertainment.
 
I can't believe that, despite only decent reviews, and having previously had two awful sequels, this movie is doing so well

credit to the marketing dept
they could sell ketchup popsicles to a woman in white gloves, apparently

TLW? Imho plain dumb blockbuster fun ("wait...wait" *adjusts glasses*).
 
I can't believe that, despite only decent reviews, and having previously had two awful sequels, this movie is doing so well

credit to the marketing dept
they could sell ketchup popsicles to a woman in white gloves, apparently

Those kind of reason are why I didn't think star wars 7 was going to make as much has a lot of people thought but I think I underestimated how much anticipated there is because of it being years and years with out a new one like people did with this movie.
 
well regardless how you actually felt about 2 or 3, there's no denying the marketing successfully got the rest of the planet to forget about those movies
I've seen so many "omg I loved the original!" reactions and i'm just like "you know this isn't the first sequel, right?
 
Eh, I don't know if I completely agree with that notion. It might be true to a certain extent, mainly because many of today's movies are variations or continuations of the same concepts we've seen time and time again. This makes some movies seem unoriginal and unimpressive, because we've "been there and done that" before, even if they are technically solid films.

The reaction to certain films can (and should) hinge on the time they were released, what they presented to audiences, the impact the film had on audiences along with cinema as a whole, and some classics like JP represent a "perfect storm" of factors coming together. Would Jurassic Park get picked apart more if it were released today instead of 20 years ago? Probably, but based on the nature of today's cinema, they probably wouldn't have produced a movie that closely resembles what we know as Jurassic Park.

With JP, you had a director in the prime of his filmmaking era, a strong cast that elevated the characters as they were written, the perfect blend of practical and digital effects that pushed the boundaries of what people knew to be possible then, an incredible musical score, and of course, the benefit of presenting audiences with a concept they had never seen before. Furthermore and for all these reasons, it was a great film that influenced many of the blockbusters that followed it and was undeserving of harsh criticism or discontent.

Another important thing to consider is that while it might seem like movie fans are now more jaded, overly critical, and harder to please than before is that there now exists an outlet (the Internet) where people like us (or anyone) can publicly voice their opinions on any and all movies that are released or have been released in the past, whether it be through any of the social media platforms or community forums like this one. Today, anyone has the opportunity to be a "critic", whereas that opportunity didn't exist in the past.

People walking out of The Lost World or Speed 2: Cruise Control might have been able to talk to their friends or family about how/why they thought the movie sucked and wasn't as good as the original. They were able to pick it apart with their work colleagues the next day or could discuss it over the phone while having a conversation with someone, but they couldn't get online and write a post that expressed their thoughts to their hundreds or thousands of Facebook friends and Twitter followers. They couldn't make a Youtube video to mock the movie and rip it to shreds. They couldn't find hundreds of critic's reviews from every media outlet in the country collected in one place that was available for them to view with one click of the mouse.

I do think it's harder to produce a blockbuster today that is widely considered to be good or great, mainly because (as I said) so many more movies are released yearly now, we've already seen just about every kind of movie you can think of, expectations are higher than they used to be thanks to the way movies are anticipated and reported on, and it's harder for movies to be "fresh" or innovative.

But with that said, I think the same general rules apply. Audiences appreciate and respond to tightly wound stories, great characters and actors, exciting visuals, and films that either present us with new concepts or take existing concepts and turn them on their heads. Films like The Dark Knight, Inception, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Gravity, The Departed, (500) Days of Summer, District 9, Knocked Up, Little Miss Sunshine, Casino Royale, Pixar's Up, and Avatar are recent films that I feel are good examples of this.

Good post, and make no mistake I agree with a lot of what you're saying here. In general a truly great movie still has the capacity to win an audience over and I don't think anything's changed there. I also don't think most of JW's fans are calling this "great". But I do think in general, your average adult moviegoer is much more articulate, savvy and educated about movies these days than the moviegoers of yesterday. I am well-aware that movies (just like all art) are pretty much inherently tied to the time period in which they came about and therefore it's impossible to say how Jurassic Park would fare with audiences today, because it rewrites history etc. I get that, but my point is JP has plenty of flaws and logical holes- and that's something people seem to especially love trying to pick apart movies with these days. And it also does have fairly 2D characters at the end of the day.

And the point of my post is more or less precisely what you're saying- the internet and social media have changed things. I'm in no way saying that movies didn't get bad reactions in a pre-internet age. Obviously the concept of a movie (especially a sequel) sucking isn't new, but I sincerely doubt the conversations were as in-depth and drawn out as they are today. We come from a generation who have had much more access to in-depth critical analysis of films and theory, and more insight into how films get made via DVD special features, etc. The movie fans of today have much more of a look behind the curtain than the movie fans of yesterday and are much more astute because of it. This all in addition to the issue of having seen a lot and being generally harder to impress. The whole concept of film criticism is kind of a blur now. You don't need to have a degree in journalism, only a blog or Youtube channel.

I guess what I'm saying is, truly great blockbusters are harder to come by these days and when they do, they'll get their due like you said. I do think we seem to have a harder time appreciating the "merely" good ones though. It's like these days, if I tell a friend a movie was "good" they tend to immediately think it's going to suck or disappoint just because I didn't say it was "great". There's that level of expectation. Not for everyone of course, but I'm talking more specifically about the 'fan community' as it were.

Coming from a perspective of having studied media/film and now working in the industry, I went through a phase (as many other people I know did) where my relationship with movies got kind of distorted and I couldn't really enjoy things the way I used to because all I could see were the seams. It took some time to rebuild that and kind of relearn how to simply watch movies as an audience member.

All of this to say, JW was a movie that simply worked for me. A lot of times you go into a movie skeptical, there are a million reasons you're already expecting it to suck, you see that there's already a debate raging between people who hated it and people who loved it, you wonder which side you'll end up on...and all of that is baggage. It can affect one's ability to simply take in a movie on its own terms. Sometimes even a fairly decent movie can't quite overcome that baggage, whether it be hype, negative hype or just a lot of contradictory noise. For me, about halfway through the movie JW had shed all of that baggage and I was fully along for the ride and thoroughly enjoying it. It was a great feeling and it was a reminder of why I used to (and still do) love going to the movies. Seeing as we do have to evaluate movies as being inherent to the time period they're a part of, that alone counts for a lot with me in this more hyper-opinionated internet age.
 
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Good post, and I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying here. In general a truly great movie still has the capacity to win an audience over and I don't think anything's changed there. I also don't think most of JW's fans are calling this "great". But I do think in general, your average adult moviegoer is much more articulate, savvy and educated about movies these days than the moviegoers of yesterday. I am well-aware that movies (just like all art) are pretty much inherently tied to the time period in which they came about and therefore it's impossible to say how Jurassic Park would fare with audiences today, because it rewrites history etc. I get that, but my point is JP has plenty of flaws and logical holes- and that's something people seem to especially love trying to pick apart movies with these days.

And the point of my post is more or less precisely what you're saying- the internet and social media have changed things. I'm in no way saying that movies didn't get bad reactions in a pre-internet age. Obviously the concept of a movie (especially a sequel) sucking isn't new, but I sincerely doubt the conversations were as in-depth and drawn out as they are today. We come from a generation who have had much more access to in-depth critical analysis of films and theory, and more insight into how films get made via DVD special features, etc. The movie fans of today have much more of a look behind the curtain than the movie fans of yesterday and are much more astute because of it. This all in addition to the issue of having seen a lot and being generally harder to impress. The whole concept of film criticism is kind of a blur now. You don't need to have a degree in journalism, only a blog or Youtube channel.

I guess what I'm saying is, truly great blockbusters are harder to come by these days and when they do, they'll get their due like you said. I do think we seem to have a harder time appreciating the "merely" good ones though. It's like these days, if I tell a friend a movie was "good" they tend to immediately think it's going to suck or disappoint just because I didn't say it was "great". There's that level of expectation. Not for everyone of course, but I'm talking more specifically about the 'fan community' as it were.

Coming from a perspective of having studied media/film and now working in the industry, I went through a phase (as many other people I know did) where my relationship with movies got kind of distorted and I couldn't really enjoy things the way I used to because all I could see were the seams. It took some time to rebuild that and kind of relearn how to simply watch movies as an audience member.

All of this to say, JW was a movie that simply worked for me. A lot of times you go into a movie skeptical, there are a million reasons you're already expecting it to suck, you see that there's already a debate raging between people who hated it and people who loved it, you wonder which side you'll end up on...and all of that is baggage. It can affect one's ability to simply take in a movie on its own terms. Sometimes even a fairly movie can't quite overcome that baggage, whether it be hype, negative hype or just a lot of contradictory noise. For me, about halfway through the movie JW had shed all of that baggage and I was fully along for the ride. It was a great feeling and it was a reminder of why I used to (and still do) love going to the movies. Seeing as we do have to evaluate movies as being inherent to the time period they're a part of, that alone counts for a lot with me in this more hyper-opinionated internet age.

Great post as well. :up:
 
I'm 26 and Jurassic Park was big part of my childhood and remains one of my favorite movies. And while neither is a good as the original, I've also always enjoyed TLW and JP3. FWIW, TLW is probably my least favorite of those three.

That said, I really enjoyed Jurassic World. Its not as good as JP (I don't think any sequel to it will ever be as good), but I think it otherwise works in its own right. Personally, I'd say it best one out of the sequels are concerned. So I walked away pretty satisfied and look forward to what they'll do next.
 
see, but you're a big fan, and someone who grew up on it, and even you say you were "pretty satisfied"; not exactly a glowing review

so how in the hell is this breaking records??
maybe comic fatigue is a real thing, and people wanted an old school monster movie, idk, I don't get it
 
see, but you're a big fan, and someone who grew up on it, and even you say you were "pretty satisfied"; not exactly a glowing review

so how in the hell is this breaking records??
maybe comic fatigue is a real thing, and people wanted an old school monster movie, idk, I don't get it

Alot of factors most likely went into this, comic fatigue which I believe is real honestly and the first real big post kids out of school friendly blockbuster with on fire star and dinosaurs done right. It obviously intrigued a large amount of people and even today it grossed 25 million again. If antman makes a decent amount or lower then other solo films then comic fatigue could be confirmed.
 
I saw this again today and I liked it better this time. I realized that if I just shut my brain off and be 12 again I'll have more fun. Doesn't stop this movie from being dumb in areas with dumb scenes with dumb dialogue and dumb characters, but this movie is just dumb fun with some very good moment sprinkled throughout that make it worth a second look.

You can still make a much better sequel. There's nothing wrong with having fun, but that doesn't mean you can't make a more intelligent film with intelligent and likeable characters all around. Not just one or two.

I still prefer The Lost World over this, despite having its problems, it at least is handled better on a directing level than this movie. You need to punch these movies up if you want to continue making these films. And if we keep getting others like this, it's not going to do it. Just for ****'s sake all I ask is make a smarter movie.

Mind Crighton. That is key. That element felt lost in this despite the implications of corporate greed.
 
Up there with JP as the best in the series. Hope they don't drop the ball on the sequel.
 
I think there's definitely room for improvement with a sequel. But that's a nice position to be in. Worked wonders for the Planet of the Apes franchise. People generally liked Rise, and then boom...Dawn comes along for the KO.

Although I do think the JP concept is gets increasingly tricky to string along without seeming contrived, once you let the genie out of the bottle, so hopefully they crack a great story. I also wouldn't be opposed to some inclusion of the classic characters.
 
see, but you're a big fan, and someone who grew up on it, and even you say you were "pretty satisfied"; not exactly a glowing review

so how in the hell is this breaking records??
maybe comic fatigue is a real thing, and people wanted an old school monster movie, idk, I don't get it

It could be that people just like the movie? You're hating hella hard, bro. :mnm:
 
Kevin Feige has tweeted this amazing picture, congratulating the cast and crew of Jurassic World on their record breaking opening weekend.
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https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCine....1434477548./1146658608684043/?type=3&theater

:hmr: :pcg:
 
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