Jurassic World - Part 10

[flickchick85]

The thing about Claire is that she is so thinly drawn and cartoonish to the point where I can understand why she'd be perceived as sexist. Which is why I don't care about the criticisms and thinks the character deserves them. I doubt Trevorrow woke up one morning and said, "How are we gonna set women back today?" It's okay to explore female characters like Claire as an archetype, but they should just be more nuanced and have dimension to them, because some people/women can actually be like that. Just for the love of God, make it subtle and give it humanity and empathy and handle it with care and you can actually see a very interesting character who can evolve.

This. I don't think anyone's arguing that it's intentionally sexist. It is what it is. And what it is, is a badly drawn female character that falls into a common sexist archetype, within a film entirely populated by badly drawn characters of various other types.

 

[The Guard]

And that belief means your going to gravitate toward evidence regarding the character that confirms that belief and dismiss evidence that contradicts it.

Actually, if you look at that last article Darth posted...

 

[Marvolo]

Just got out of the theater. Even better the second tme and the 3D was very enjoyable and unobtrusive. Im gonna bunp the film up to an 8/10.

About Claire, so what yall are telling me is Claire is a sexist archetype because the Type B personality enployees dont "get" her and think shes is cold and weird and the film wants us to agree with the Type B personalities in the film?

Screw the sexism. Thats kind of a dick thing towards anyone who identifies as a Type A personality regardless of gender. Would yall be as mad if Claire had been a Type A career driven male character named Carl that none of the Type B employees understood or liked? Or are yall just made cause she is a female, cause frankly I think its cheap characterization and a lazy arc for the character regardless of which gender they made the character.

Like I said tho I enjoyed it more this time. This Claire business really is a mountain out of a molehill imo. Women and we Type A's will survive and women arent going to lose theier right to vote or be career driven just because the writers of this film were ***** about Type A personalities and women. As a person who can relate to Claire in more than one way I feel zero pressure to change who I am based on anything in this film.

 

[jmc]

This. I don't think anyone's arguing that it's intentionally sexist. It is what it is. And what it is, is a badly drawn female character that falls into a common sexist archetype, within a film entirely populated by badly drawn characters of various other types.

I still couldn't tell you the names of most of the characters, lol.

 

[The Guard]

I know "Owen" and "Blue".

I have no idea what her character's name was.

And I have forgotten the names of the nephews.

 

[kedrell]

Frankly, focusing on one characters pretty much ignores the main issue with this film, that the entire cast of characters are terrible. They are all badly written and badly developed.

Well characters have never been the strong suit of this franchise anyway. Ground breaking SFX, that's what the JP franchise was built on first and foremost. It's the Avatar of yesteryear. The concept is interesting but the story is as old as dirt(they shouldn't have meddled in God's/Nature's domain and now are paying the price for the hubris of their so-called science). They've been making these movies since the 1950's. None of the characters reached any sort of beloved status either. They are serviceable for the story at hand and that's it. No wonder none of the sequels really held up to the original. It only ever should have been a one off film, IMO. One in Spielberg's 'very good but not quite great' collection.

 

[hafizbat]

Claire's character was no more cliched or archetypal than Pratt or D'Onfrio's characters. Her archetype just happens to be the most offensive.

 

[jmc]

JP characters I feel were at the very least a lot more interesting and smarter than this bunch.

 

[kedrell]

But Pratt had his natural charisma to fall back on.

 

[The Guard]

Claire's character was no more cliched or archetypal than Pratt or D'Onfrio's characters.

Weird that no one calls them sexist.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know why you posted that article. This film never really said or showed Claire being any of these things.

I wouldn't describe her as an ice queen...in the context of business, she didn't strike me as particularly lonely, angry, emotional, acting particularly tough, she wasn't weak, she wasn't masculine, a token placement or "conniving" or a cheerleader.

Perhaps people are projecting sexist stereotypes on her since she's such a broadly drawn character.

I think the first three apply actually.

You realize that the bit you highlighted from the article would suggests that the portrayal in the film is actually NOT a harmful gender stereotype, right?

It certainly doesn't support your allegations about this character.

The article talks about unconcious sexism and the point I highlighted that and also shows how some might react to those that do not complie with social norms:

Of course not everyone subscribes to these stereotypes, but there is evidence that men and women who behave in ways that contrast with these traditional stereotypes – such as career women or stay-at-home dads – are likely to be evaluated negatively by others. A lifetime of exposure to what women should be, how they should behave and who they should represent drives and reinforces unconscious and unseen biases.

Hence the negative stereotypes about those who do not go along with the perceived social norms. Hence why a serious business woman might be given the stereotype traits of cold, stiff and uncaring.

 

[kedrell]

JP characters I feel were at the very least a lot more interesting and smarter than this bunch.

Comparatively, yes for the most part(I'd say Pratt's Owen McBadass is of an even caliber with the folks from the 1st film) but even so that's not saying much.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Weird that no one calls them sexist.

Well Pratt's isn't negative, and neither are classical sexist archetypes.

 

[jmc]

But Pratt had his natural charisma to fall back on.

I actually think the only reason Pratt's characters comes across as good in this film is because every other character comes across as one-dimensional. I don't think his performance was all that great, his character is just the most interesting of the lot and so it stands out.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And that belief means your going to gravitate toward evidence regarding the character that confirms that belief and dismiss evidence that contradicts it.

No, I will read all evidence within reason. I have admitted to being wrong in the past on here. Here though, I haven't seen any evidence to the contrast.

 

[kedrell]

I actually think the only reason Pratt's characters comes across as good in this film is because every other character comes across as one-dimensional. I don't think his performance was all that great, his character is just the most interesting of the lot and so it stands out.

Hey you could be right about that.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What's interesting about Pratt's character exactly? I felt he was just playing generic action guy.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Is it true Josh Brolin was going to play Owen? If so, he would have done a fine job. To be honest pretty much any leading man could have played that role just as fine. Imagine Bradley Cooper in that role and I can bet the character wouldn't change that much. Pratt just was more stoic and played the adventurer. It doesn't take the most talented actor to do that.

 

[jmc]

What's interesting about Pratt's character exactly? I felt he was just playing generic action guy.

One that just happened to be playing with Raptors. It's not saying much but it's still a step above everyone else.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I actually think the only reason Pratt's characters comes across as good in this film is because every other character comes across as one-dimensional. I don't think his performance was all that great, his character is just the most interesting of the lot and so it stands out.

I think he comes across favorably is because Pratt is a likable dude, and he is given the job of being likable. He trains raptors, has a badass bike, has a sense of humor and gets the girl.

The kids reaction to him pretty much says it all. He is generic, but a generic cool guy.

 

[Iceman]

The characters in the first film contribute a lot more to their film than any of the others do to theirs. In JW, apart from the military guy who was a walking turd of a character, the others aren't terrible to me, just super-light. The post-JP films are more reliant on the dinosaurs to save the day and this is the one that pulls it off best for me. Just reminds me why the first film is one of my all time favourite films.

 

[Iceman]

Sorry Iceman.

Acknowledging your problem is the first step to defeating it. Now all you need to do is read 50 FlickChick posts per day and you will be in good shape.

 

[AnneFan]

The post-JP films are more reliant on the dinosaurs to save the day and this is the one that pulls it off best for me. Just reminds me why the first film is one of my all time favourite films.

The T-Rex in JP saves the day by sneaking into the Visitor's Centre, when we've been shown beforehand it quakes the ground and can be heard from a mile away.

I think with TLW the dinosaurs were really presented as wild animals. Even the 'ooh ahh' moment with the Stegosaurus turns dangerous.

 

[Iceman]

The T-Rex in JP saves the day by sneaking into the Visitor's Centre, when we've been shown beforehand it quakes the ground and can be heard from a mile away.

I think with TLW the dinosaurs were really presented as wild animals. Even the 'ooh ahh' moment with the Stegosaurus turns dangerous.

Haha, yeah it engaged its ninja stealth mode.

I like the beginning of TLW when we see all the (herbivore) dinosaurs in their environment.

 

[flickchick85]

Acknowledging your problem is the first step to defeating it. Now all you need to do is read 50 FlickChick posts per day and you will be in good shape.

Aw, that's probably not very good advice in the long run, but I appreciate it any way.