Jurassic World - - Part 11

On a basic, structural story/character/plot level, yes.

I don't doubt that people are enjoying the spectacle and I'm not going to claim your dad's opinion is invalid. It's not. How he feels is how he feels, and I'm happy he enjoyed the movie. But - as objective as one can be about film - no, it is in no way better than JP, unless your expectations/bar is set so low that literally just the sight of a CGI dinosaur pleases you (and that's not too far off from describing why some people enjoy the movie).

Plain and simple, there's no internal logic or consistency to the film or how the characters behave... which is a fairly basic element of story-telling. A story can be about anything - it can be about two idiots trying to deliver a briefcase full of cash to a woman that one of those idiots has a crush on - but, it needs to be make sense unto itself. Character motivations and arcs, no matter the subject, should come from a place that's logical given the rules/perimeters of the story, even if the story is unreal (like... destroying a magic ring).

That's an argument people make: "it's a movie about <insert fictional thing>, it doesn't have to make sense!" Of course it does, internally. Yet, almost every character in JW is a moron, and not in the sense of relatable people making human mistakes, but in the sense that they all - save for the assistant - deserve to be eaten, regurgitated, re-eaten and pooped out for how goddamn dumb they are. Their various ticks and traits don't pay off in any meaningful way; threads get introduced and dumped for no reason besides shoddy scripting/editing, etc.

But, there's CGI dinosaurs and gyro-spheres and folks getting their limbs ripped off, so, whatcha gonna do?

I understand what you're saying as far as a basic character level or whatever but maybe none of that stuff matters to most people? I won't argue with you that Jurassic World is a better film than Jurassic Park, because it's just not. I was a bit caught off guard when my dad made that comment. Regardless though, the success of this movie seems to be a good indicator that the vast majority have really been enjoying it, despite all the flaws that you pointed out. Again I'm not saying that you're wrong, but in regards to how well it's done so far I really think it isn't an issue with those who like it, including me and my dad. Just my 2 cents.
 
This movie is the very definition of a crowd-pleaser. Is not flawless, is not bad either, it just works, it entertains. It has a likeable lead character, it has an island, dinosaurs, action, adventure, a little bit of mystery, and nostalgia all over it. Is the type of film you go to experience, you want to visit the park just like the kids. I can easily understand why is making so much money.
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).

I wasn't talking about the quality of the film, but the general features of it and why is making money. And the food analogy sounds fine, I understand, but... is not really the same with movies. You have to eat, and those places are maybe cheap, and well-located, convenient or whatever.

When there's so many people that decide to leave the house and pay the ticket to see a film, is because they feel the movie will please the need to see something they might actually like. Is it a good film? I don't know, is the same conversation we have in this forums over and over again. It's subjective. I liked the film. Is a good movie to watch with your family, or with friends, it's fun, it's exciting stuff.
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).

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Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).
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Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).

Yes, you really should feel disgusted for making this arguement. Comparing a popular movie to slavery is really stupid. Words cannot describe how off your point is.

I'm sorry that this movie being popular offends you. But get over yourself. This is entertainment. I fail to see how this being popular is any different than the other billion dollar movies that have been released.
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).

Wow....just wow. As a black man, I'm a little offended....if nothing more than just by the sheer ignorance of this post. There is no correlation....we're talking about entertainment & your best examples stem from slavery & other political matters, things that have nothing to do with the subject matter.

Ergo, you failed to prove your "point"...completely.

This is like comparing tearing a sheet of paper to murdering someone. See how absolutely insane & erroneous that sounds? Be smarter next time, man. :o
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).

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This movie is the very definition of a crowd-pleaser. Is not flawless, is not bad either, it just works, it entertains. It has a likeable lead character, it has an island, dinosaurs, action, adventure, a little bit of mystery, and nostalgia all over it. Is the type of film you go to experience, you want to visit the park just like the kids. I can easily understand why is making so much money.

^ This.

The very fact that this movie (JW) has managed to reach 1 billion in a record time indicates that masses are enjoying it, it has some entertainment value, few people who dismiss it as a "bad movie" is not going to change this fact.

Just like Avatar, which had a thin story, but still managed to break records as it was entertaining enough. The movie is not without it's flaws but then nobody expected high art cinema.
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).
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Just when I thought I'd read it all on the Hype something like this gets posted.
 
You know it's bad when multiple people can't even respond to it & have to just post a gif of their reaction. Questioning why a movie is so successful is one thing, but making an asinine comparison like that is a whole different ballgame.
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).
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Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).

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The 80's are done when it comes to reboots and adaptations IMO. Everything except for Jump Street sucks. I'd rather have new JP movies that don't go this way and Independence Day sequels. If I want giant Dinosaurs shooting lasers, make 'em robotic and coloured aka the Zords from Power Rangers.
Yeah but what can a JP sequel be about at this point?
I've been wondering this lately. What more can they do with the Indominus Rex?
 
Man, I honestly feel disgusted making this argument because it really over-simplifies why being a "crowd-pleaser" isn't an indication of quality, but...

McDonalds. Taco-Bell. Pizza Hut.

All INSANELY POPULAR and profitable businesses/brands, and all in no way, shape, form or fashion the bar at which you should settle for quality. If you like any of those places, great. I'm not a snob by any means, and if that's all you know (or have been exposed to), then no one should reasonably expect or be offended that you didn't care for Nightcrawler, or that Inside Out wasn't the number 1 movie last week (or that Fury Road wasn't basically the number 1 movie until Inside Out debuted) but, that being said, "it's popular so it must be good on some level" is an equally weak argument.

Slavery was popular for a very long time. As were the banning of mixed-race and same-gender marriages. What's popular isn't always an indicator of what is good (or just).
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^ Nuttin'. She dead, yo.

But they have the DNA combo and recipe to make another on file and it probably left with Henry Wu?

Speaking of Henry Wu, seeing as how he's growing into a possible overarching villain, what if he engineers a virus that slowly wipes off humanity and animals and the only ones actually immune to it are himself and the Dinosaurs?

I call this "Jurassic Reclamation".
 
I think the Taco Bell fast food analogy works here. If you'd pulled back short of the slavery comment, you'd be spot on.

If you're comparing "Jurassic World" to other blockbusters of today, like the Transformers series, you probably loved it. If you compare it to the original "Jurassic Park", you probably didn't like it so much. I fall into the latter category. I know it's "unrealistic" to compare it to the original, but it's no more realistic than living in '79-'80 and expecting "The Empire Strikes Back" to be as good as "Star Wars". In fact, after two bad sequels, it should be easier.

I could lay out a whole list of changes they could've made, but here's just one: instead of Chris Pratt playing a prototype as the lead, why not make Jake Johnson's more interesting and more relateable character the lead?
 
Jurassic World is officially the highest grossing movie of the year today in the states that is. Amazing and totally unexpected.
 
But they have the DNA combo and recipe to make another on file and it probably left with Henry Wu?

Speaking of Henry Wu, seeing as how he's growing into a possible overarching villain..........

yeah there's quite the room for a follow-up there. very interesting how they left that end open. I liked how he played a villain in the movie, it actually makes a tie-in to the rest of the movies possible.

Seems like Nedry wasn't the sole 'bad guy' in there.

Henry Wu got away with murder, he fled the scene, there must be something more to it, and i kinda like how they portrayed InGen as a military ops outfit that intends to use them as weapons.

There's a lot to be taken for a story there.

I also liked how they gave themselves a solid answer to critics that are speaking against the Jurassic Park - dino universe. There's been hard debate and critisism against JP dino's to be thoroughly unscientific, as they should have feathers, the Velociraptor really is the Deinoychus, the Spino is bipedal instead of 4 smaller legs, etc. etc.

They stated they were engineered anyway so they're not realistic dinosaurs. "Genetically engineered theme-park monsters" as Mr. Malcolm so well put it at first.

I enjoyed the final T-rex reveal scene, it slowly coming up to the doors illuminated by the flare. Imho, bryce could have ran a bit further up ahead, but it was great.

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Maybe the Jurassic Park movies are all about Henry Wu. Just like some say the Star Wars movies are all about R2 and C3PO.
 
I think the Taco Bell fast food analogy works here. If you'd pulled back short of the slavery comment, you'd be spot on.

If you're comparing "Jurassic World" to other blockbusters of today, like the Transformers series, you probably loved it. If you compare it to the original "Jurassic Park", you probably didn't like it so much. I fall into the latter category. I know it's "unrealistic" to compare it to the original, but it's no more realistic than living in '79-'80 and expecting "The Empire Strikes Back" to be as good as "Star Wars". In fact, after two bad sequels, it should be easier.

I could lay out a whole list of changes they could've made, but here's just one: instead of Chris Pratt playing a prototype as the lead, why not make Jake Johnson's more interesting and more relateable character the lead?
More nonsense.
 
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