Jurassic World - Part 6

[Broseph44]

Wait, is this a new pic?

Yessir

 

[Black Narcissus]

I didn't think it was sexist either and I think Whedon, who has a big mouth at times, overreacted.

Correctomundo! I betcha if another director says anything bad about AOU on twitter, it wouldn't be a pretty thing to see.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

That clip was cringe worthy bad. I hope the banter between these two isn't like that for the whole movie or else I will be hoping the dinos eat both of them.

Oh, and I thought Whedon was spot on with his comments on it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Eh, I have never been a fan of directors publicly talking about others work. Unless, they are asked directly. I always thought there was some code, but it was probably just bs on my part.

 

[SuperT]

LOL! Joss Whedon has some nerve trying to call out someone else on feminist issues when a lot of his prior work is filled to the brim with feminist/kick-ass female cliches.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Scarlett doing some crazy pose on the posters while the others were just normal.

Eh.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I'd rather have strong women (even sexy ones that show their ass) than the idea that a woman who takes her career seriously and wants to be taken seriously seems to have a problem having fun and needs a man to show her how.

Tell me why that clip wasn't dumb? You can go on and on about Whedon's "feminism" and why it's annoying to you, but tell me how he's wrong about that clip? Go on. I'll wait.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I'd rather have strong women (even sexy ones that show their ass) than the idea that a woman who takes her career seriously and wants to be taken seriously seems to have a problem having fun and needs a man to show her how.

Tell me why that clip wasn't dumb? You can go on and on about Whedon's "feminism" and why it's annoying to you, but tell me how he's wrong about that clip? Go on. I'll wait.

You must not have liked The Abyss then.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'd rather have strong women (even sexy ones that show their ass) than the idea that a woman who takes her career seriously and wants to be taken seriously seems to have a problem having fun and needs a man to show her how.

Tell me why that clip wasn't dumb? You can go on and on about Whedon's "feminism" and why it's annoying to you, but tell me how he's wrong about that clip? Go on. I'll wait.

Jumping the gun without seeing the characters in context. Hell, if AOU dropped a clip of BW making some love eyes at Hulk and saying Big guy, it would also be cheesy. I don't see this a sexist, but more of ''eh'' dialogue from a scene.

 

[flickchick85]

I completely agree with Whedon's comments, but I don't think it was very professional or tactful of him to say it, especially based on an out-of-context clip. If he had seen the whole film and found it problematic and wanted to open a dialogue, that would be one thing, but this was premature and tacky on his part, imo.

 

[John Locke]

This thing is blown out of proportion. We haven't seen the movie so maybe Pratt's character stops always wanting to have fun and grows up and that's why they get back together in the end. (Assuming they do) Sure in that clip he's stuck in the 70s but that doesn't mean he have a more modern view of things at the end. I'm willing to bet that's his character arc. Especially since in the trailers it seems like Bryce's character takes care of herself.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Considering Penn's so-called "volunteer work" in New Orleans consisted of driving around in a boat so loaded with Penn's camera crew that he couldn't have rescued anyone even if he tried, I'd say not being like that is a good thing.

He still responded and did something. Also him starting up a relief organization for Haiti is a good thing, make of that what you will. The guy's not a saint, but at least he is doing something unlike other celebrities who are just mostly talk so I can at least respect that.

Im not saying that it's unimportant. I think it's very important. Ive been championing for more female leads for a while. I'm just saying I don't think the way Whedon writes women is anything special.
He wasn't the first to write an a**kicking female lead, and, imo he's not even the best that has done it.

IM just not impressed by him, his work; and how he's this big feminist figure.

Fair enough but is it possible to separate what the guy says from his work and not use one against the other just because you didn't like what he said? Or am I reading into your statement incorrectly?

Whedon has openly admitted not being the first guy in writing strong female characters and himself even crediting James Cameron. That's the media for you. When they press hounds you for answers and such you're gonna be put in a certain light for their own purposes. I just look at the guy and what he says. Not what others are saying about him. Although Whedon should know better than to talk about other director's work since Pfister smack talked him and Whedon did the right thing and was more classy. Hopefully Whedon isn't getting a bigger head now that he's doing higher profile stuff.

I'm still very much looking forward to this. A clip really doesn't deter my hope. A clip doesn't really tell me anything about what these characters are going to say and be about and eventually go. I just hope Chris Pratt isn't playing Star Lord again.

This clip doesn't help Pratt playing Indy for me. See? A criticism. But again, just like his character in the film, I'll watch the film to properly judge that.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I completely agree with Whedon's comments, but I don't think it was very professional or tactful of him to say it, especially based on an out-of-context clip. If he had seen the whole film and found it problematic and wanted to open a dialogue, that would be one thing, but this was premature and tacky on his part, imo.

Agreed. Though Pratt's character comes off more as a cocky, arrogant guy in this clip. Maybe he'll grow and their relationship will grow. Who knows? I just won't write this off as Trevorrow being a bad writer and Pratt's character merely being a sexist *******.

I'm not against some male characters being sexist in their traits. It's no different than being and doing other bad things or having other horrible traits for characters in movies. If we can watch and root for a guy who makes crystal meth... then decrying sexism would be splitting hairs. It's just about how they deal with them. It's part of human kind and it should all be explored. But not for this film. If Pratt is indeed a sexist frat boy like character throughout this entire film, then yes I will take great issue with it... because that isn't just appealing in a ****ing Jurassic Park movie.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I completely agree with Whedon's comments, but I don't think it was very professional or tactful of him to say it, especially based on an out-of-context clip. If he had seen the whole film and found it problematic and wanted to open a dialogue, that would be one thing, but this was premature and tacky on his part, imo.

I agree, Whedon was being tacky. I'm not surprised that Whedon tweeted that though, he thinks that he is gods gift to filmmaking and he has Avengers box office, critical success and crazy fandom constantly keeping his head large by telling him that he is. I'm a fan of Whedon's work but I calls em as I sees em.

 

[Broseph44]

I agree, Whedon was being tacky. I'm not surprised that Whedon tweeted that though, he thinks that he is gods gift to filmmaking and he has Avengers box office, critical success and crazy fandom constantly keeping his head large by telling him that he is. I'm a fan of Whedon's work but I calls em as I sees em.

I agree I'm a fan of him, but yeah. I calls em like I sees em right there with you.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I agree, Whedon was being tacky. I'm not surprised that Whedon tweeted that though, he thinks that he is gods gift to filmmaking and he has Avengers box office, critical success and crazy fandom constantly keeping his head large by telling him that he is. I'm a fan of Whedon's work but I calls em as I sees em.

I love you for saying this. Also, I don't want Pratt for Indy.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I agree, Whedon was being tacky. I'm not surprised that Whedon tweeted that though, he thinks that he is gods gift to filmmaking and he has Avengers box office, critical success and crazy fandom constantly keeping his head large by telling him that he is. I'm a fan of Whedon's work but I calls em as I sees em.

That's a pretty big leap on your part. I don't see how having an opinion about something and not being afraid to express it publicly makes you arrogant or means you think you yourself are "gods gift to filmmaking". Why are we confusing honesty and having an opinion with arrogance?

 

[Black Narcissus]

That's a pretty big leap on your part. I don't see how having an opinion about something and not being afraid to express it publicly makes you arrogant or means you think you yourself are "gods gift to filmmaking". Why are we confusing honesty and having an opinion with arrogance?

As the man who bathes him with butter imported from france, he does have an ego.

 

[protocida]

The "uptight workholic who needs to have fun" is a trope as old as time itself, and applies to both sexes. Same for the "quick-witted wild child who shows the uptight workaholic to enjoy life".

Seriously, the political correctness/social justice thing has become mind-numbingly overblown.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree with you Sam, Pratt is 100% wrong for Indy.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'd rather just let the film speak for itself all in context. It's okay to criticize and have an opinion about something, but to decry something based on one clip is strange to me.

People seems to be forcing things together just to either confirm their own fears or just to come up with conclusions that don't make as much sense. It doesn't help people are suddenly coming out of the woodwork to confirm something.

"I always knew so and so was a bad actor!"

Dialogue sounding funny within the trailers? You could say that about anybody in any trailer. Lots of stuff is taken out of context in trailers and mashed together to make it sound different. There really isn't much of an argument here. Pratt's a good actor too so I'm giving him more credit than to write him off based on one clip.

1.) I never called Pratt a bad actor.

2.) I've reiterated that this goes beyond the one clip.

3.) Context is context, and dialogue is dialogue. The delivery is missing its mark, and I haven't been the first to state that. I'm just not feeling Pratt on this one. From his outfit to dialogue, he seems out of place here. Sometimes a clip does affirm one's opinion. I haven't felt good about this project since the premise was announced.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I agree, Whedon was being tacky. I'm not surprised that Whedon tweeted that though, he thinks that he is gods gift to filmmaking and he has Avengers box office, critical success and crazy fandom constantly keeping his head large by telling him that he is. I'm a fan of Whedon's work but I calls em as I sees em.

Agreed. It'll be interesting to see how Whedon's career goes without Marvel. They pretty much plucked him out of near obscurity.

 

[Doctor Jones]

1.) I never called Pratt a bad actor.

2.) I've reiterated that this goes beyond the one clip.

3.) Context is context, and dialogue is dialogue. The delivery is missing its mark, and I haven't been the first to state that. I'm just not feeling Pratt on this one. From his outfit to dialogue, he seems out of place here. Sometimes a clip does affirm one's opinion. I haven't felt good about this project since the premise was announced.

That wasn't aimed at you, just one statement I saw. Though it was unfair of me to contort it into that aimed at you.

It's fair that you're not feeling confident about it, and marketing is supposed to sell the movie. If these didn't appeal to you that's fine. But I think it's a stretch to assume this is going to be bad based on a clip you didn't like, even if you don't feel confident.

I'll agree though, this wasn't the best clip to be released for this movie.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Agreed. It'll be interesting to see how Whedon's career goes without Marvel. They pretty much plucked him out of near obscurity.

The CB fans flocked the cinema for Much Ado About Nothing.

 

[Boom]

Maybe we should take this discussion....

Back to my bungalow.