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The Amazing Spider-Man Keep the ORGANICS or WEB SHOOTERS???!!!!

What do you want this time

  • Organic Web-shooters

  • Mechanical Web-shooters

  • Don't care...

  • Organic Web-shooters

  • Mechanical Web-shooters

  • Don't care...


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I said if Peter Parker is to acquire/inherit spider abilities (rather than have his physiology mutated) from a spider bite then it simply makes sense he would be able to secrete web and 'spindle' or shoot it. If you're going to allow a man to climb walls, have super strength, speed and hyper-awareness. The viewer is not going to balk at the notion of a man who's been bitten by preternatural spider to shoot web. It's a logical progression from the conceit that a man has spider-like powers.
Organics are too obvious and uninspired. It makes Spider-man a one-trick pony. He's a superhero because the bite gave him everything he needed.

With mechs Peter contributes something to his own arsenal of spider-abilities.

It makes him a more dynamic superhero who has a superhero brain to go along with his superhero body.
 
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Once again the badiest joker immortalfire tells his lyies and nonsenses wen is that clown going to join the circus.

Now that you've invoked the spirit of Mr Parker/Bakerboy, they will eventually appear. It's like saying "Cthulhu" out loud. Or "Candlejack".
 
I voted webshooter.

I think they're a nice nod to Peter's scientific know how and could provide a bit of drama even, like he runs out of webbing during a fight or something.

But if they went organic? Fine by me.
 
So really what you are saying is that you want to be right? You want to feel like you are on top because you have such flawless logic? Yikes.
Why don't you try actually responding to what I say instead of making things up? My very first post in this thread plainly states I think both are ridiculous concepts in their own right.
 
Dude, then why are you in here stirring up stuff?
 
What am I stirring up? I'm arguing against gaps of logic when people try and bring plausibility and science into this. This guy had it right:
organic, i like the more "super" aspect of it, thats all, simple
Simple. He's stating preference, but doesn't try and make up bullcrap science to justify it. I think even he knows it falls apart when it gets to that point, as I and some have pointed out in this thread.
 
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I like the organic, but would be interesting see the webshooter in the movie.
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I've been involved with Spidey since I was 3, and web-shooters have always been lame. Organics all the way.

"I have been endowed with all the powers of a Spider! The ability to climb! To jump! To lift!"
"Can you spin a web?"
"If you let me dig some crap out of my dumpster I'll Macgyver up some web for you."
 
I can't say I really care in what they decide to go with. The organic webs were one of the very few changes from the comics that I was okay with. However, like others have pointed out, I'd definitely be interested in seeing how they'd tackle the webshooters for the big screen without it seeming goofy in the context of the film.
 
Organics. There's a tradeoff in having web shooters. Its either Peter has the brains/budget to mass produce web fluid and have a crappy suit; or have organics then have a budget to produce a good looking suit. I know its all fantasy, but I find it already weird where a kid has the brains to build such shooters let alone produce a professional looking suit.
 
I would much prefer if they use organic web shooters. To change it to artificial web shooters would simply be to purposely be different from the other films and is no more than superficial. If Peter Parker is going to gain a spider's abilities then he should have all of them or none at all.

Right you are. Let's not stop with the few abilities like wallcrawling, super strength and agility. Let's give him all of the Spider's traits. I'm looking forward to the new Movie already.

 
Yeah, I was suprised how much I ended up loving the organic webshooters. I liked how that was part of his powers. But, the kid in me would love to see Peter make webshooters on screen just like the comics.
 
Now it’s just plain silly to have people complaining about how the reboot needs to be faithful to the source material, etc. etc, then say…but use the organic webbing! Been done before, worked great sure, but if we’re rebooting, why not showcase a part of the comic that’s….wait for it…always been there! What a novel idea. Peter is suppose to be a really smart kid bound for greatness, the truth is if he never became spider-man he probably would’ve gone on to become rich and famous, in the one comic I think it was (forgot the name but scarlet witch changed reality so mutants were in charge) but Peter did sell it off and became rich, etc. etc.

The mech webs would be great to see on screen, add to the ingenuity of the character as well. Been said before but who said he had to design the fluid himself. Maybe his dad created it but never found a practical purpose or something, just use a little creativity people.

I just think it’s ridiculous to see people hate on the mechs or to complain about something that hasn’t happened yet, like “oh if he has mech shooters, then they’ll run out in the middle of a fight and that would be stoooopid” Umm…did you see spidey 2? Several times he tries to shoot his webs and nothing comes out. One time was in the bank and he was still sticking to a wall so all his powers hadn’t gone out. The other time he was swinging really high and they wouldn’t shoot, he fell a very long way down but didn’t die so again his powers were somewhat intact….how do you explain that? Sam was showing those exact moments of the webs running out at inconvenient times that are classic moments from the comic. He did that…wait for it…even though pete had organic webbing…
Any complaints against mech webs are just weak. You could go either way, it’s just a creative decision not a logic one.
 
Where did I infer the film had to slavishly follow anything? Your initial comment acted as if the webshooters were a contrarian concept to oppose Raimi's vision. That is completely ignoring the precedent it has in every other interpretation pre-2002.

Hold on. You stated (to infer is to deduce/conclude not imply) where other interpretations of the character have employed artificial webshooters; the film ought not to deviate from this tradition. Which gives me the impression that if one is to be bothered about minutiae such as organic/artificial webbing then we may as well translate every single minute detail to the screen. Will it really affect your experience of viewing the film if he shoots web naturally? This is the ultimate question.

Furthermore I did not state nor imply that the argument for artificial web shooters was purposesly there to oppose a previous interpretation. I know full well that Spider-Man has employed self-made web shooters since the very inception of his character. You're the one missing the point. The point is a studio may think in myopic terms as: "well the last films had Spidey shoot web naturally. Let's make him different and shoot it from a 'device'!" The implication is studios believe that such simple changes in detail translate to wholesale changes in a character. When it is no more than a superficial change. I'm far more concerned with how Spider-Man will be characterised (the inclusion of more humour or 'quips' etc) than if he shoots web naturally or not. The vast majority of cinemagoers will accept it I imagine. Which they seemed to do last time.

By the same regard, if the very concept of webshooters is a superficial element, then it doesn't really matter if organics are there, correct?
No, the superficial element is the way in which he secretes his web.

And you're completely missing the point that the ability to secrete webs is inherently tied to physiology. What are you not getting here?
The irony is you'll happily accept a man who has the characteristics of a spider conferred upon him by a spider bite yet you find it very difficult that he would also be able to secrete web as a spider does. When I mentioned mutation I meant that he wouldn't sprout six legs and six eyes. Would the audience require a portion of the screen time devoted to detailing how a man's anatomy has adopted web secretion? If yes then we may as well indulge half the film explaining how a man has spider characteristics. By virtue of what Spider-Man does he defies human physiology.

How can you bring "sense" into this topic when you've completely thrown that out the window?
We're talking about a fictional character who has no basis in reality and all I've expressed is a preference or predilection for this same character to secrete web biologically. It is the manner in which you reply to my posts which does not involve much sense.

This isn't really about that. From the very beginning of the thread, "logic" and "plausibility" has been used to argue against either concepts. It's more than obvious the general audience really doesn't give a damn. But to be honest, their opinion doesn't matter when adapting material they know next to nothing about.
My entire point was that if an audience can suspend disbelief that a man who has acquired the capacity to do things a spider can, they will not need to question how such a man can create web naturally. To me, it follows on logically from Peter Parker gaining these 'powers'.

I understand and appreciate the argument that there is a function or rather purpose behind Peter Parker utilising artifical webbing. Such as the notion it demonstrates his intellect and scientific accumen by creating such a thing. However, it's Spider-Man's character which shows how Peter Parker is remarkable. Some one made reference to the Flash Thompson character. Where Peter Parker's intelligence is the distinguishing factor by making webbing in a laboratory. They miss the point that it's Peter Parker's character which distinguishes him from Flash Thompson. It would be far too easy and tempting to use such powers for personal and financial gain. Rather than use them for an altruistic and noble cause.

The thing in which I'd be interested is if Peter Parker finds a break-through in material design by studying the web he naturally secretes. Perhaps being able to create artificial webbing. What may satisfy both camps is that during the first film. Peter Parker's anatomy has not mutated fully to allow himself to create web. So he has to do it in a laboratory.

I found this excerpt on Wikipedia:

The discovery of silk-producing organs on the feet of the zebra tarantula (Aphonopelma seemanni) has led to questions about the origins of spinnerets. It has been hypothesised that spinnerets were originally used as climbing aids on the feet and evolved for webmaking at a later time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinneret_(spider) (link)

Whether it is based in fact? I don't know but it's interesting nonetheless.
 
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THis is why i'd like mech webshooters

it would allow him to use other devices. Even if he has organic, i'd still like some other things, like impact webbing and spider tracers employed

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What if he were to use the device not to secrete web but to 'shape' it? For instance if he wanted to shoot web 'balls' or any other shape? I would like the idea of a wrist device acting as a 'utility belt' in that it would shoot tracking devices and other gadgets.
 
WEBSHOOTERS OF COURSE!

Not only are they cool, but they represent a KEY part of PP/SM's character- him being a scientific whiz.

Anyway, I'd say it's pretty much a given it will be webshooters this time because they will want to do everything they can to distinguish this film from the last series.
 
WEBSHOOTERS OF COURSE!

Not only are they cool, but they represent a KEY part of PP/SM's character- him being a scientific whiz.

Doesn't it seem a bit limiting if Peter Parker's ingenuity can only be summed up by his creation of artificial webbing?

Anyway, I'd say it's pretty much a given it will be webshooters this time because they will want to do everything they can to distinguish this film from the last series.
Unless they're creative and adopt a hybrid system. Where the 'web-shooters' do not secrete web but manipulate it. In addition to carrying items such as tracking devices. The mentality of 'web-shooters will distinguish the next Spider-Man' leave me cold since there's far more to a character than whether he wears a gadget on his wrist or not. It seems facile and too obvious to go the other way. I simply think organic webbing works better for the screen since the story is not burdened by detailing how Peter Parker devises the web-formula and creates a device to use it. What may work is if Peter Parker developes a stronger artificial web (as I said before) to counter certain threats/for certain situations where natural webbing would not suffice. However that does betray the idea that a spider web has an extremely strong tensile strength.

There's another facet to this argument. From what I've read, none of the detractors of the Sam Raimi films criticised him for depicting a Spider-Man with natural web-shooters. All of the criticism against him which I have read revolves around characterisation and plot. Therefore, if the organic web concept was more than acceptable for many/most; is there a need to change it?

If one is concerned with 'showcasing' Peter Parker's intellect then perhaps we should be more creative than simply discussing artificial web-shooters? To me artificial webbing concerns mere 'window dressing' and should not preoccupy our minds when far more important elements (which detracted from the previous films) should be prioritised.

Right you are. Let's not stop with the few abilities like wallcrawling, super strength and agility. Let's give him all of the Spider's traits. I'm looking forward to the new Movie already.

This one slipped my attention. I in fact said abilities. Although if he's inherited a spider's abilities then we cannot possibly entertain the idea that he may shoot web naturally rather than synthetically. In particular when it worked perfectly fine in the other films.
 
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Doesn't it seem a bit limiting if Peter Parker's ingenuity can only be summed up by his creation of artificial webbing?

Where -Exactly- did I say the artificial webbing was the only thing could sum up Peter's ingenuity?

I didn't, I said they -represent- a key facet/element of his character. ;)

Unless they're creative and adopt a hybrid system. Where the 'web-shooters' do not secrete web but manipulate it. In addition to carrying items such as tracking devices. The mentality of 'web-shooters will distinguish the next Spider-Man' leave me cold since there's far more to a character than whether he wears a gadget on his wrist or not. It seems facile and too obvious to go the other way. I simply think organic webbing works better for the screen since the story is not burdened by detailing how Peter Parker devises the web-formula and creates a device to use it. What may work is if Peter Parker developes a stronger artificial web (as I said before) to counter certain threats/for certain situations where natural webbing would not suffice. However that does betray the idea that a spider web has an extremely strong tensile strength.

There's another facet to this argument. From what I've read, none of the detractors of the Sam Raimi films criticised him for depicting a Spider-Man with natural web-shooters. All of the criticism against him which I have read revolves around characterisation and plot. Therefore, if the organic web concept was more than acceptable for many/most; is there a need to change it?

If one is concerned with 'showcasing' Peter Parker's intellect then perhaps we should be more creative than simply discussing artificial web-shooters?

1)-Yes there is a need to change it simply because this is a reboot and therefore the studio is going to want to do everything they can to make Joe Public understand this is not a squeal to SM3 (consider that some mainstream press thought TDK was the 6th entry in the batman film series and where puzzled over why Joker was alive again, morons.. I know), one of the ways to do this is make it as different as possible to SM1-3.

Plus the webshooters are a crucial part of Spider-Man's original design, it's how he has appeared for the majority of his comicbook career and it will please the hardcore fans. As for your concern over burdening the story with how PP creates them- it's not like they would have to go into detail over the mechanics of their creation. They certainly didn't with the the red and blues in SM1!

2)-The choice to use webshooters will not be concerned with 'showcasing Peter's intellect' but for the no brainer reasons I have stated above. In the context of Peter's intellect- the webshooters are just a nice visual metaphor for his scientific expertise which imo was mostly absent from the Raimi films. You might not like it, but logic and fan opinions out weigh your preference.
 
What if he were to use the device not to secrete web but to 'shape' it? For instance if he wanted to shoot web 'balls' or any other shape? I would like the idea of a wrist device acting as a 'utility belt' in that it would shoot tracking devices and other gadgets.


I really like your idea, seems like a good balance bw the two options. I just would really like to see some of his ingenuity like creating spider-tracers, impact webbing and even stingers would be nice to see.
 
Where -Exactly- did I say the artificial webbing was the only thing could sum up Peter's ingenuity?

I didn't, I said they -represent- a key facet/element of his character. ;)

Hang on. I merely inferred given your language that it is the only thing of note in with which Peter Parker could convey his intellectual prowess. By virtue that you did not illustrate another way in which Peter Parker can do so. It's not so much what you said as what you omitted to say.

1)-Yes there is a need to change it simply because this is a reboot and therefore the studio is going to want to do everything they can to make Joe Public understand this is not a squeal to SM3 (consider that some mainstream press thought TDK was the 6th entry in the batman film series and where puzzled over why Joker was alive again, morons.. I know), one of the ways to do this is make it as different as possible to SM1-3.

Yes but will the "Joe Public" cinemagoer pay attention to such detail as whether Spider-Man has synthetic webbing or not? There are more effective ways of making a character more noticeable than merely shooting web out of a device. Especially since the trailers will show a Spider-Man shooting web out of his costume as it were. Unless they show a teasing shot of a contraption on his wrist which could be misleading given its possible use as a 'utility' device. What will define the next incarnation of Spider-Man more emphatically is the characterisation (especially support characters), the villains and the overall plot.

Plus the webshooters are a crucial part of Spider-Man's original design, it's how he has appeared for the majority of his comicbook career and it will please the hardcore fans. As for your concern over burdening the story with how PP creates them- it's not like they would have to go into detail over the mechanics of their creation. They certainly didn't with the the red and blues in SM1!

The films do not need to re-create such detail as artificial web-shooters in order to please hardcore fans. The major criticism of the previous films (to which the studio should pay attention) is how the villains were portrayed (especially in the cluttered third film), the lack of Spider-Man's humourous persona and how Mary Jane-Watson was rather insipid. These are the sort of pressing concerns in which to address. Not whether he dedicated some of his time to creating web-formula. Furthermore if Sony have announced/intend to depict a more 'gritty' and 'dark' interpretation of Spider-Man (whatever that truly entails) then they may decide to focus more on how Peter Parker creates his alter ego; Spider-Man. In such instance where an explanation of how he creates his suit (I thought it needed more elaboration beyond a few sketches but it's fait accompli) would suffice and the inclusion of artificial webbing may be unecessary. Unless it somehow pertains to an important plot detail/development.

2)-The choice to use webshooters will not be concerned with 'showcasing Peter's intellect' but for the no brainer reasons I have stated above. In the context of Peter's intellect- the webshooters are just a nice visual metaphor for his scientific expertise which imo was mostly absent from the Raimi films. You might not like it, but logic and fan opinions out weigh your preference.

From what I deduce, many people stated that the prime reasoning behind the inclusion of artificial web-shooters was to highlight and convey Peter Parker's intellect. Where as I believe this can be done through other means. There is a possibility the organic webbing can lead to Peter Parker having an epiphony in suit design and creating a synthetic fabric based on the properties of his web to be part of his Spider-Man costume.

The "no brainer" reasons to which you referred are inconsequential. I cannot imagine anyone requiring such detail as artificial webbing to understand that this new Spider-Man series is a fresh continuity. If the organic webbing worked previously then there is no need to change it. Lastly logic does not apply here if you're willing to suspend disbelief for Spider-Man and you cannot know the full body of opinions of other fans. Less hyperbole and more reason.
 
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