Kim Possible is WAY better than Buffy

Half of the things you said are irrelevent to the topic or shakily explored.

The day Kim Possible gets a book exploring the philosophy behind the show is the day I begin to concede that the two are even comparable. Until then, one is a contemporary teen allegory while the other is a Disney cartoon which, while entertaining, does not come close to approaching the themes and issues Buffy does.

 

Now you've taken it from an intelligent debate to name calling and personal attacks.

Buffy uses monsters as a metaphor for contemporary teen issues. It also questions the meaning of life and the nature of evil, hence allegory. However, you actually have to watch the show to notice these things.

Thinking the show is primarily about a braindead valley girl is just wrong. The show is more about Buffy's struggle with responsibility as a teenager. She is, ideally, a leader of her group both mentally and physically. Buffy is not stupid. She's not in Mensa, but she's hardly stupid. And if you wish to follow up on how philosophy can be present in the show, check out Buffy and Philosophy, a book found in most Philosophy sections. It's very comprehensive and well written.

As well, suggesting that "fun" is what matters when analyzing TV is what's kept TV regarded as a medium for idiots. I would suggest to you that, if it is as you say and Kim Possible is only meant to be fun, then the two shows are hardly even comparable. They strive for entirely seperate goals. And Buffy is hardly a dry show about philosophy. It undercuts any pretentiousness with snark and wit.

 

I never really liked Buffy much, but I thought Kim Possible was great (I've seen pretty much every episode). Joss Whedon's best work IMO is Firefly, which is one of my favorite shows to date. But unfortunately, it didn't even last one season, even though IMO it was leagues better than any of his previous work.

 

Just because she's a cartoon charactewr doesn't mean she should break the laws of physics. And really, I've seen very few examples of her breaking the laws of physics.

It's a live action show. Of course it's going to need stuntmen and wire work. If Kim Possible were live action, it would need stunt men and wire work.

She's not that annoying.

That's complete bull. Neither of them need fanboys to worship them, because neither of them break the fourth wall. Neither is aware that they're in a TV show.

No, she fights hand to hand alot. It's just that it's easyer to kill demons by stabbing them than by beating them to death.

But that's the only power Shego has. She's no stronger, faster, or tougher than an athletic human female. Hand to hand, of course Kim could take her. And Buffy has fought thousand year old vampires, hell gods, government cyborg super soldiers, legions of zombies, uber powerful sorcerers, and the literal armies of hell. Trumps Shego any day.

The poor kid Andrew who murdered his best friend and opened up a portal to hell. And Buffy, usually, is quite nice to her friends.

And Buffy treats Xander like her own brother. Your point?

Why doesn that make her better?

Actually, Angel left because he realized that their relationship would only end with Biffy hurt, not because he found another girl.

Neither does Buffy. The Scoobies help when they can, but Buffy does most of the fighting.

I highly doubt Wade could build a trans dimensional portal. And Giles is a well versed ocultist with in depth knowlege of demons. Not a scientist, but he's still quite good at what he does.

Why do lyrics make it better?

I've yet to see the creators of Kim Possible write something like the season two finale of Buffy.

Why does that make Kim a better character?

 

Oh, he is.

Why can't you do both?

No. It simply moved on to broader social issues.

She did. It was just through metaphore.

Buffy became a better tactitian as the series progressed.

 

Actually, if you'd listen to the man's commentaries on specific episodes, you'd see what I'm talking about.

As well, it's not like I'm making up philosophical **** for the sake of argument, since a bunch of philosophical scholars got together and WROTE A BOOK ON THE TOPIC.

But understand that that's why a number of people see TV as a disposable medium for idiots to enjoy. Some of us do enjoy intelligent commentary with our entertainment.

Last time I checked, Buffy was in high school for three years. Kim has been renewed for a fourth year now, which makes it so that she will have one more year than Buffy. On the other hand, each episode of Kim Possible is half the length of an episode of Buffy. As well, Buffy is much more serialised than Kim.

The shoiw wasn't JUST about being a teenager, although that's the example I most like to use, since I feel it was the most effective use of metaphor on the show. It was more a coming of age story that dealt with being a teenager, and leaving childhood behind.

This is a claim so fantastic that perhaps it isn't even worthy of further debate.

I'll go through the series episode by episode and deal with the realistic teen problems Buffy faces-


The Witch- Cheerleading. This one should appeal to you since you seem to love cheerleading so much.

Teacher's Pet- Substitute teachers and virginity

Never Kill A Boy On The First Date- Teen crushes and growing responsibility

The Pack- Peer pressure and cliques

I, Robot, You, Jane- The dangers of the Internet for teens

Out of Mind, Out of Sight- A girl who is perpetually ignored starts becoming invisible

School Hard- Teacher-Parent interviews

Inca Mummy Girl- Foreign Exchange students

Reptile Boy- Wanting to be older and frat parties

Lie To Me- Childhood crushes

What's My Line- Career Week, whether or not Buffy can actually have a future

Ted- Parent's new boyfriends

Suprise and Innocence- The boyfriend who uses you for sex and then turns on you. This them continues throughout the season.

Phases- Teenage male sexuality, explored through the concept of werewolves

Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered- Bad breakups, among other things

Go Fish- The swim team, steroids

Becoming- The concept of "What are we when all our friends are stripped away from us?", the finding of an identity, teenage runaways.

Anne- Continues the exploration of teenage runaways

Beauty and the Beasts- An exploration of teenage abuse

Homecoming- Buffy runs for Homecoming queen

Band Candy- Buffy wishing to be treated more like an adult, the adults of Sunnydale mentally revert to teenagers

Helpless- Buffy's 18th birthday, being forced to deal with a problem without help from Giles, and using only her SMARTS.

Earshot- Buffy can hear the thoughts of others and hears a kid who she thinks is planning to kill everyone

Choices- The gang must decide on their future

The Prom- Goes without explanation

Graduation Day- Also goes without saying.

If you want I'll make another post detailing the episodes of Kim Possible and we can see which one really deals more with high school problems.

Again, Helpless is one example of Buffy being forced into independence and intelligence. She also discovers the Mayor's weakness in Graduation Day. And she gets higher SAT scores than most of her friends.

 

This conversation isn't worthy. It's become you debasing us for no reason rather than actually giving logical arguments.

And a lot of your reasons for one show being better have to do with characters being more capable than the ones on the other show. What does that have to do with the actual quality of the show?

 

if you're gonna trash it, do it for reasons that make sense, not ones that make you look like a childish mental case.

 

Stop resorting to personal attacks, it's that simple

So wait, this is about who would win in a fight?

So then why are you including stuff like Disney and Whedon being a hack?




And if this is just a grudge match, didn't you just make one on the same topic?

 

Err, actually I was talking about episodes that deal with high school, and therefore could only use the first three seasons, at which point she graduated.

So be it. Buffy frequently researches, however, and her moments of idiocy got a lot harder to find as she grew up... kind of like normal teenagers.

But it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

It's that kind of thinking that keeps comic books regarded as children's medium or the Simpsons regarded as a children's show.

Because Dawn sucked and didn't even act like a teenager half the time. She hardly represents the show's coming-of-age teens.

 

I felt they played Dawn as younger than she actually was... which they did. On the show she was originally supposed to be 12, but then they got an older and actress and made her 14, but "forgot" to adjust her behaviour.

But you're arguing over who would win in a fight, that has nothing to do with who is the better character.

Oh, I disagree. I think it's not a children's show because it has satire and hyper-irony, and, surprise surprise-

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08...f=pd_bbs_1/102-9684477-1869716?_encoding=UTF8

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/06...ref=sr_1_3/102-9684477-1869716?_encoding=UTF8

Neil Gaiman claims to write "comic books". Do you suggest his works are mindless fun?

A difference I despise when I go to the comic rack and see some disposable work being put out. I truly wish the X-Men comics of late would try harder to make a statement.

 

And on top of all this, Joss HAS worked for Disney, doing Toy Story.

 

Of course not. But what does that have to do with Kim Possible? She's never done stuff like that. Not all cartoons completely disregard the laws of physics. And, depemnding on the type of stories being told, not all should.

It was a Scoobie Doo movie. What did you expect?

Kim's only defeated two super powered beings in combat. One of whome was an idiot, and the other who's power's don;t give her an edge in close quarters combat. Buffy, on the other hand, has defeated hundreds of super powered baddies.

So? Christie Karlson Romano probably couldn't either.

All of the vampires Buffy fights have super strength and speed. It's just that alot are idiot thugs. The ones who are actually inteligent tend to last more than five minutes. I highly doubt a naked mole rat could beat any of them.

What the hell does that have to do with Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Besides, the only Sarah Micheal Gellar movie I've ever seen was the Scoobie Doo movie, and that was only because I was very bored and there was nothing better on TV to watch.

In other words, people liked it. As you like Kim Possible.

Buffy is not an agressive sociopath. She'll beat the crap out of demons if they're trying to hurt people, of course. She cared quite deeply for Angel. It's just that, had they continued to persue a relationship, Buffy would have ended up hurt. Angel, not wanting to face that, left.

They were never in a relationship. There was a mutual atraction, but it was never really explored.

I still fail to see how that makes her a better character.

When has she every vaporised anyone's flesh? And, Buffy has fought people much more powerful than Shego.

And Wade looks up everything on the internet.

I've yet to see the creators of Kim Possible do that either, since they weren't behind Kingdom Hearts or The Lion King.

Peer pressure, abusive relationships, sexual predators, living a more irreverent lifestyle, drugs, and quite a few other things.

Yes. It is. By alot.

She led an assault on the Hellmouth. She actually led a group of people into hell to fight the armies of the pit. And most of them didn't die. If that's not good tactics, I don;t know what is.

She needed Andrew to cry to close up the hell portal.

 

All a graphic novel is is a very long, self contained comic book.

 

I have a question for you, aliasman. Since you believe that TV is a disposable medium that shouldn't produce any thought provoking work, what do you think of HBO, and shows such as the Sopranos? Do you penalise them for attempting to provoke?

 

If Kim Possible actually HAD fanboys, then I would urge them to seek psychiatric help.

 

both of these shows are jokes.

 

...this coming from the person with the Kreuk avatar?